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― billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

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Simply Groovy!

― jambalaya backgammon (grady), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

???

Acid Jazzed Evening

Tempest/Damage

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

Nelly Furtado is Portuguese... that explains the stealing :D

― and what (ooo), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

another thieving portuguese!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

is that even a popular stereotype?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, this is news to me. I need to keep up on my slurs.

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

timbaland stole my track "promiscuous girl"

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 12 January 2007 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

you stole my track promiscuous grill

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.
You say that like Nelly Furtado is some kind of gang-banging MC Lyte. The original song sounds just fine to backup a style like hers.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

Timbaland is still splendid I would love to rub his tummy and feed him grapes.

― Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 13 January 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

fetish freak

― kumkum (daddy warbuxx), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

the grapes better be stolen from a finnish teenager else he won't eat them.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 13 January 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

I domt care if Timbaland stole one song his discography still makes me wanna peel grapes for him furiously.. Ooh that tummy!

― Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Saturday, 13 January 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

The label woudl probably just settle out of court after that whole NWA 3 seconds thing.

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Monday, 15 January 2007 06:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.hhv.de/images/cover5/4339.jpg

― and what (ooo), Monday, 15 January 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

really, this is outrageous. Give the finnish kid his money.

― Matthew E. Armstrong (gensu3k1), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

haha now i'm picturing timbaland surfing .mod tracker sites and chugging on a 2L thing of kool aid at like 4 in the morning

― m@p (plosive), Monday, 15 January 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

and smoking kools. don't forget the kools.

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Monday, 15 January 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

that's both entirely racist and yet totally otm

― tony conrad schnitzler (sanskrit), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4KX7SkDe4Q&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2fTEeP6GM&mode=related&search=

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

that's fucked up cause it's obviously theft. Timmy should cop to it and do a colabo with the guy that made the song first.

― kevin says relax (daddy warbuxx), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:06 (eighteen years ago)

doode thats why its called fucking sample, stupid, kanye does that to, outkast, missy elliot, and MANY DJ's, why the fuck are you caring about this
?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:16 (eighteen years ago)

doesn't everyone in virginia smoke kools??

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:39 (eighteen years ago)

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 06:46 (eighteen years ago)

the songs shit, who cares?

― micarl (micarl), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 07:43 (eighteen years ago)

This story is bullshit.

Basically you have one very clichéd bassline progression with a similar but not identical melody - most people who have composed their own songs and have tried to be catchy or poppy will hear similair sounding progressions and melodies in commercial music which resemble their own compositions.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Chewy, did you hear the ringtone thing? (m@p's 2nd U-toob link) It's pretty damning. All it is is that guy's track (with the original synth melody intact) with drums added on top.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene is false metal! (R. J. Greene), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

yeah that youtube link doesn't really make its case very convincingly. the most damning issue isn't the melody but that weird fluttery 8-bit sample, which is so identical as to be a sample and therefore strongly suggests that timbaland actually did hear the original trk somewhere

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

the synth is pretty close. haven't listened long enough to have an idea about the chords. the original synth thing doesn't seem to have the voice melody, though.
I would say it's like sampling. in which case the author of the original synth line should still get some credits !

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

most people who have composed their own songs and have tried to be catchy or poppy will hear similair sounding progressions and melodies in commercial music which resemble their own compositions.

Songs That Resemble Songs You Wrote But Never Released Because You Were Like 18 And Just Recorded on Cheap Tape Recorders, Anyway

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

I have little doubt that Timbo has sampled without giving credit and has taken credit for other people's work before (which is the case with pretty much every big time hip hop producer to some extent). But squabbling over little compositional elements is getting harder and harder, honestly I don't know if it's worth making an issue over any accusation of plagiarism unless it's a very specific identical sound or an entire song or chunk of lyrics.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

there are only 7 notes, after all... It's a miracle people can still come up with new melodies after centuries of composition !

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

danjahands also had his danjahands in this production i understand

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

yeah there was a hilarious Billboard article a while back where Danjahands basically said "Timbaland's going to be on tour with Justin for the next few months...but I'm staying in the studio so there'll still be a lot of new Timbaland productions coming out this year." I really get the feeling that lately Timbo just comes in at the end of a session and beatboxes and sings corny hooks over whatever Danja does and calls it a day.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

The youtube thing makes them sound vastly different. The original bassline has more notes, and the songs are both sort of generic anyway. I only say I like the Finnish one more because it sounds like Junior Senior.

― Period period period (Period period period), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

there are only 7 notes, after all

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

don't forget your flats and sharps

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

ahah. yeah, yeah, I know. just wanted to make a simple efficient statement !
about Timbo, so you think he didn't do much in the furtado/JT/diddy etc albums ? it would be a myth crumbling for me as I love his work so much and especially what's he's done onver the last year...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

There are 12 notes in (most) western music

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno, obviously it'd be a lot harder for Timbaland to lay a lot of his workload on a ghost-producer than, say, Dre or Diddy, just because he has a really distinctive sound that involves a lot of his own vocals. but he does have a pretty public producing partner these days and those guys tend to do a lot of the heavy lifting even when their contributions are on the down low.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

the ringtone is identical he just put drums under it

its hard to tell with the nelly furtado song cuz of all the other shit on top of it but its clearly the same synth sound

big name producers straight up jacking shit that isnt an established pop song or signed to a label is nothing new, remember when bollywood dude sued dj quik over truth hurts?? or flip losing all the profits from game over?? especially since as i understand all the sounds in that videogame joint were made by a soundboard for the atari or whatever so theoretically timbaland coulda come up with that himself and itd sound the same

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

did you ever hear that 6-minute mp3 of tracks Timbaland sampled (mostly bollywood/world music stuff) that was circulating a couple years ago? it was like dozens of tracks that I never even realized were samples and I'm pretty sure most of them weren't credited in liner notes, or at least the ones I checked.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

weren't a lot of them doing that chucky thompson thing of samples-not-Samples, like replayed sections that are just different enough to avoid copyright problems

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

on the Timbaland thing I'm talking about? nah, they all sounded like direct samples to me, albeit buried in the mix with lots of other stuff like he usually does.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i had that timbaland mp3, there was a couple real obvious joints like the portishead track and the henry mancini that pete rock already used but the rest was like obscure as fuck indian shit and yeah alot of shit like ugly and raise up i just assumed was timb fucking around on a keyboard tryna make indian music, not a straight up loop - its like gin & juice/fortified live-level disappointing to hear the original joint

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

I remember I posted it on GN in like '04, maybe if I can find the file on my old laptop tonight I'll post it here. (xpost)

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder how guru ended up using the same break as 'indian carpet' like a year later on 'in here' - did he hear timbs version & seek out the o.g. track or is this crazy shit just all passed around hardcore producer nerds & kept secret from regular fucks like us

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

its weird, you'd think with the internet it would be so much harder to keep shit like that a secret

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

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haha the box was great...i used to have to play with the antennae so much to get it to come in at all. I totally saw Vanilla Ice's cypress hill-biting comeback on that station.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

The Box!!!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

i used to have to play with the antennae so much to get it to come in at all.

Haha me too

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

was the box the one where you called in to vote for songs?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

it's funny how on Judgement Night, it's like they ran out of rappers and recycled Cypress Hill for both Pearl Jam and Sonic Youth, and then on Blade 2, CH collabs with Roni Size, who's then recycled a few tracks later because of a techno guy shortage.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

they used to run these station promos that led me to believe there were different flavors of The Box (The Box Urban, The Box Modern, etc) -- can anyone else confirm their existence?

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

there really was no shortage of techno guys though

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

you had to call and i think it was like 2.99 to request a video.
i remember one day i was home sick in like 5th grade and i was looking forward to watching the box all day, but for some reason they were having 'technical difficulties' and just played rap music over this single image of a fat dude holding a boombox for like 6 straight hours.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

it wasn't voting, it was you called in and paid like 2.99 to get a video played (xpost). I dunno about that, my local The Box was just one big station where "Chattahoochee" and "Put Em On The Glass" lived together in harmony.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

I totally saw Vanilla Ice's cypress hill-biting comeback on that station.

"light em up", with the disclaimer at the end

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

i never had cable so that was entirely how i saw music videos - "Juicy," Snoop's shit, "Dre Day," etc.

I remember assuming that Compton was in Chicago

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

(briefly)

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

I saw some VH1 thing where Ja Rule's rise to fame was attribute to the box or a similar channel! He was apparently in some group with an extremely cheap video and they just kept calling in and paying for plays to attempt to get record company attention. So, the box has a lot to answer for.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

for about a six month period in 1994 it seemed like the "big poppa" video was always playing just when i got home from school

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

an all-request music video station on network broadcast seems like such a great idea. i wish they still existed.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

we definitely managed to derail this one

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

i never had cable so that was entirely how i saw music videos - "Juicy," Snoop's shit, "Dre Day," etc.
I remember assuming that Compton was in Chicago

-- deej.. (clublonel...), January 16th, 2007.

haha, this is totally me. plus they would play the most random shit, like that Mr. Oizo video with the dancing puppet, and then I would talk about it at school the next day and just assume all my friends knew about it to

(they didn't)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

(er, that should be a "too", obviously)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, a lot of rap labels were known to be "jackin' The Box." but yeah, Ja's group's video got played and that's how Irv discovered him, so the story goes.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

i used to order Consolidated and KLF videos on the Box.

(and Army of Lovers)

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

I realize I am dating myself terribly here, but I think my earliest exposure to rap music came when some older kids hijacked one of the school TVs one morning and flipped it to The Box, where Lil' Kim's "Crush On You" video was playing

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

haha dude if your earliest exposure to rap music was "crush on you" you're not really dating yourself

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

well I meant dating myself as a young whippersnapper (and a sheltered one, at that)

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

well yeah you did succeed in making me feel old

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think "Slam" (OG non-Biohazard version) might be my first music video memory!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

first time i ever consciously remember a music video was seeing "thriller" debut at a roller rink!

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i'm either old enough or enough of an early bloomer music-wise that my first video memories are from the "Money For Nothing"/"Sledgehammer" era

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

we had mtv when i was really young and then not again until i was about 12 or so.

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

For me it would have been J. Geils Band's "Centerfold"/Go-Go's "Our Lips Are Sealed."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

ha my town "banned" mtv from the local cable for awhile too, so i have a wierd like 2 yr "blackout" of mtv memories....we got it back in time to be 11-13 and digging the fuck out of hair metal though thk god

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

We didn't have MTV or cable but I would go over to my metalhead neighbor's house and watch it sometimes. He had a treehouse with Anthrax graffiti and I guess he liked Onyx too.

(post-script, I ran into dude once when he was in college and he had given it all up for Hootie)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the years I had cable/mtv (early 90s up to about 94 and then from 97 onward) vs. the years I didn't had a huge impact on what I'm aware of. like I barely knew who Biggie was when he died but I knew all about 2Pac.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

as a Box-watcher, biggie's presence and stature seemed smaller at the time.

I didn't have a TV til I was 10, and never got cable until i went to college.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

not his literal stature, obv

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

The man in the Box.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

dick in the box

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

bringing this full circle i'm pretty sure my first exposure to color me badd was via the box

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

http://timbalandtempest.ytmnd.com/

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Timbo should be proud of himself. He has his own ytmnd.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene With Strings (R. J. Greene), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think I've expressed mad love for "The Box" (pka "Jukebox Network") on other threads. I can definitely credit it for my knowing about Southern rap (though admittedly being kind of confused about it) well before Southern rap blew up. I liked Mystikal! Y'all Ain't Ready Yet! I still remember the super low-budget video.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

oh man i loved the box. that was a uhf station right? why did people keep paying to see hammer's "hump and the bumps"?

we had cable since forever so i remember madonna and aha and whatnot even though i was like 5.

― artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 19 January 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

why did people keep paying to see hammer's "hump and the bumps"?
!!! eternal question

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

I always took it as a given that the closer a rap video got to softcore porn, the more people would request it on The Box (see also: Sir Mix-A-Lot's "Put 'Em On The Glass").

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

haha shamefully otm

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

hmm, chrono trigger as well?

sorta kinda the same i suppose

no biggie tho

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

anyhow the real point of interest there is

The lead single to Omarion’s album 21, “Ice Box”, is credited to Timbaland (probably because that damn Timbo is just so hot right now, even if Shock Value wasn’t) but is in fact co-produced (ghost-produced?) by King Logan and Johnkenun Spivery, together known as The Royal Court, two producers who have had their hands on such recent Timbo-helmed songs as the Bobby Valentino single “Anonymous” and “Beg For It”, also off of Omarion’s 21.

even timbahandz is a sham!

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

and then there was that brian kidd guy who was supposedly a protege too

(who just did that enrique iglesias ping pong song! i love that shit)

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah and

The Clutch = a production team consisting of
j.Que (Songwriter/Producer), Keri Lynn Hilson (Singer), Ezekiel Lewis(Songwriter/Producer/Music Executive), Candice Nelson (Songwriter) & Balewa Muhammad

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

what a palaver eh

― r|t|c, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Timbalan's "Back Together" sounds LOTS like the Boys Noize remix of "My Moon My Man".

― ILX MOD (musically), Friday, 7 November 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)

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