Voice, voice, voice - a reprise

also: SCORCES.

the truth is i haven't heard much of this kind of thing at all. i did ask a similar question last year but i can't find the thread. meredith monk for some reason i'm hesitant to explore. i fear it might be too... oh i really don't know... scientific?

not putting it right. i also have BARELY heard her stuff so i'm prolly way off. i guess i should check her out. extended voices is meredith monk? and scorces? okay, joan labarbara and diamanda galas i'm gonna look into RIGHT THIS SECOND!

middle eastern chic

i'm gonna look up the thread but if you read this and remember...

joan lebarbara sounds quite interesting - i think i'm gonna get me one. which one tho...

why is it less listenable? i've been veering away from the improv sound to the more compositional

but i certainly don't wanna listen to something that isn't listenable

Also, I haven't listened to either in a few years, so I'm going off memory here, but I know that "Adult Themes" got repeat listens, and "Pranzo" didn't.

sound clips are a good thing i feel

Harmony? Not so much. Very interesting use of voices? Oh my yes.

http://disquiet.com/downstream-past5.html#d20060630-wobbly

funniest thing just happened! i've been so excited to watch "in the bedroom," which is frickin amazing by the way. so i put it on and long story short, sissy spacek plays a choir director and i realized i'd been thinking about the stuff her choir sings (i've seen the movie before). it's partly what i was thinking about starting this thread. spacek says, "i studied eastern european folk music" - then, in this one scene, she listens to "the bulgarian women's choir" on her headphones. i recognized the song cuz i have one of their CD's - it was a really weird moment cuz i didn't realize i'd been thinking of the music in this movie, or that i actually had some of it.

so anyway. will update on my investigations.

BTW, mordechai, have you listened to Sleepytime Gorilla Museum at all? (Carla Kihlsted is a member/singer) Also, Ten Foot Yard (Carla again). Neither of which are really what we're talking about on this thread, but just curious.

http://www.jennyscheinman.com/soundclips/CharmingHostess-DaliTzerni.mp3

John, I haven't heard Carla Kihlsted's stuff outside of Charming Hostess. I'll admit, I really listen to Charming Hostess for Jewlia and Jewlia's compositions. Trilectic is probably one of my favorite albums ever. Charming Hostess is more a consequence of loving that album so much. Btw; in reference to the question of the thread - on Trilectic, if you don't listen to the whole thing, listen to 'Gershom is Shocked' and 'Fortress Moscow.' All the songs are taken from the Walter Benjamin/Anja letters - so the lyrics are gorgeous, and Jewlia's use of vocals around them are incredible. Oh, and 'Dream of Me,' which has some of the best lines I've ever heard in a song.

(Esp: "I dreamt I had you in my bed. I dreamt you had me on all fours. / I dreamt you fucked me like John Reed, and I’m a good red—I pushed back and begged for more. / I dreamed the vanguard of the left she came so hard she had to scream-- / So now close your eyes and dig the dream that I dream." The crossroads of politics and sexuality is so perfectly matched on that song by Jewlia's composition - it's absolutely perfect.)

But, yeah, John. I'll have to check them out.

Which Charming Hostess stuff do you have (there are three albums - Eat, Punch, and Sarajevo Blues)?

Sorry, derailing, I know...

how about Varttina? the Finnish group? kinda like an upbeat Bulgarian choir, my favorite is the Oi Dai record.

some of Dagmar Krause's work as a vocalist might be interesting to you as well... Art Bears, Slapp Happy, and her solo records especially the Brecht/Weill one.

and Ghedalia Tazartes!!! Alga Marghen just released an amazing box of his work that I covet, really unique vocal stuff. Diasporas & Tazartes is good.

there might still be some of Miroslaw Rajkowski's throat-singing records around, Beta-Lactam released a 10" and I think there are others.

At the beginning of "Har'ee'nee, Hashmee'ee'nee" takes a pretty unusual approach to the vocals. And then you have spoken/sung voices (including long sustained sibilants a la Joan LaBarbara or something) layered over the Persian singing of Galeet Dardashti in "Min Ha'midbar." I think those aren't completely isolated moments for that sort of thing.

what rachman or gorecki stuff should i get?

Also, Five Men Singing is a very good concert of extended vocal technique from Jaap Blonk, Koichi Makigami, Paul Dutton, Minton and David Moss. (I was at FIMAV that year -- it was even more fun in person, as you might imagine.)

totally mind bending in a live setting. he has an incredible amount of control over the acoustics of a room.

i'd also check out phil niblocks piece for hurdy gurdy and voice.

stockhausen's stimmung is also really lovely.

HELP ME!

does anyone know that piece of fairly early music where the singers would be arranged in a big kind of semi circle, kind of like an early surround sound piece.

should i get Punch? sounds crazy good

you know what i mean. work makes brain dead.

he plays with the acoustics of a room/space to good effect.

thank wol!

that thomas tallis piece might just be the one. heard it years ago and loved it.

from wiki:

"The work is a study in contrasts: the individual voices sing and are silent in turns, sometimes alone, sometimes in choirs, sometimes calling and answering, sometimes all together, so that, far from being a monotonous mess, the work is continually presenting new ideas to the listener.

The effect on the listener of the sheer number of ideas contained in the work, compounded with the unusual performance practice of surrounding the audience with performers, is that of inundation, or of being completely overwhelmed.

The work is not often performed, for it demands at least forty singers able to meet its considerable technical demands, and no fewer than eight excellent sopranos."

hahaha

it's funny how bjork is like the accessible vocal experimentation record. i've only heard bits and pieces of it.

someone i think pointed me in this direction - thank you.

Charming Hostess PUnch has really done a lot for me