The Times' music journalist Giles Hattersley on one of his favourite songs of all time, "Still D.R.E." by Dr Dre

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If a great song is like a good friend, then Still DRE is the bestest pal a chap could wish for — glamorous, potty-mouthed and profoundly stoned. He is my most enduring musical chum, ever since we met in 1999 at my university union’s greasy spoon, when his synthetic harp, bass and grunts of “f*** this”, “smoke that”, “bitches” and “n*****” poured forth from the radio. I remember looking around at the sad students shovelling down pink sausages and grey scrambled eggs, and instantly longing to be transported to a sun lounger at Club 55 as the newest member of Dre’s crew.

Alas, for most of my childhood, the only accepted music idols — Eddie Vedder, Kurt Cobain, Billy Corgan — came from Seattle, lived in unpretentious wooden houses and wore plaid. Previously, rap had been either scary (Ice T’s Cop Killer) or naff (Puff Daddy’s anything). Then the newly evolved Dre came along, a genius music-maker and no stranger to cashmere tracksuits and overpriced champagne. Vulgar luxury became the new black. I was thrilled. The song has been played at most of the gloriously tacky moments in my life.

The millennium in Zermatt (when I was too high to notice Robbie Williams standing next to me in the town square at midnight); long nights with trashy It girls at the Stork Rooms; sex in Jamaica; tequila in the bath; my good friend’s stag night, when we wore black tie and marched across London to a strip club with Dre hollering from a boombox.

I’m not sure it was bleach-white middle-class boys that Dre had in mind when he penned the song. Originally, it was a celebration of the rap megastar’s return to form as a producer and performer after a dry spell in the mid-1990s. He’d recently signed Eminem and made a packet, and was in a boasting mood. Still DRE refers to all the wonderful attributes he held on to. But it was never the song’s narrative that charmed; it was the life promised in every perfectly placed beat. Sex. Jewellery. Success. Shopping. What fun! Sadly, the sound has since been cheapened by such teeny-boppers as Beyoncé and Justin Timberlake. And the American economy has faltered, and suddenly it isn’t so cool to be a brash logo whore. Cadillac Escalades choke the planet. Diamonds are ethically unsound. We moved on. Too bad, I say, because what did we get to replace all the bling-bling fun? James Morrison and James Blunt.

On the rare occasions I hear Still DRE now, I feel a love pang and raise my glass to Dr Dre, to thank him for a time, all too brief, when it was okay to be a pimp or a ho.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

i want to kill myself.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

roy must be very ashamed.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

there is nothing right about that article.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

That third paragraph alone is enough to warrant (a) instant disowning by parent; (b) NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST ONE SECOND AFTER THE MILLENNIUM

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

And why the fuck do I keep BUYING this newspaper?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

you can't afford the telegraph?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

The thing is I can switch off the horrible politics of the Times in my head when reading it on the bus but with the Torygraph that's impossible.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Why does anyone read the Times? It's flimsier and more devoid of substance than even the Graun.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/harryenf/dim.jpg

Let's all smoke rocks ya?

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.totaltravel.co.uk/guide/photos/henley-on-thames/Royal-Henley-Regatta.jpg

no more livin' hard / barbecues every day

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

No, the Times at least looks like a proper newspaper. I try the Independent periodically but that usually makes me want nuclear holocaust in twelve seconds.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

but 'the times' is a tabloid and its new steez is stolen (kinda) from the 'guardian' anyways!

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

This is the first piece of writing I've seen which realistically and unflinchingly depicts the public schoolboy's experience of hip-hop. Hats off.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Except that Times2 looks like G2 used to, as opposed to the Beano which G2 now resembles.

Also Bel Mooney >>>>>>> Lucy Mangle.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Corgan came from Seattle

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Previously, rap had been either scary (Ice T’s Cop Killer) or naff (Puff Daddy’s anything).

i really hope these were literally the only two hip-hop tracks he'd heard before 'Still DRE'

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

if this were a parody, it would be the single best piece of writing since, you know, 'the iliad'.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like he's got a soft spot for "Stutter Rap" by Morris Minor and the Majors.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

The main thing that bothers me about the Independent is that it makes my hands dirtier - by far - than any other paper.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

" nuclear holocaust in twelve seconds. "

is usually the front page headline of the Independant!

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's bringing you face-to-hand with the environmental implications of your cosy polluter lifestyle Tracer. You should thank it.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

Certainly today's Indy front page fits the bill (xpost)! It got me thinking about the Bill Hicks "then I open the window...tweet tweet...tweet tweet...where's all this shit going on?...Ted Turner's making all this shit up!" routine.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

LOL
there are so many better dr dre songs to pick though...

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

right, if only he'd picked 'deeez nuuutz' the article would have turned out fine.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still on the 'Afro Puffs' tip myself.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

This is the first piece of writing I've seen which realistically and unflinchingly depicts the public schoolboy's experience of hip-hop. Hats off.

http://www.archivist.f2s.com/bsu/Miscellany/h2.jpg

― Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

still dre has one of dre's more unimpressive vocal performances IMO

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

best g funk track sampled by Ash ever.

― acrobat (elwisty), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Frat Boy Speaks

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

so is the point of this thread that posh english journalists should not be allowed to like dr dre, or that posh english journalists shouldn't be paid for writing about liking dr dre? or simply that posh english journalists shouldn't be allowed at all?

I'm all for option 3.

― mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Put it this way; Giles Coren is a rub writer but at least he sticks to what he knows.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

not wishing to defend this upper-class twit overmuch, but giles hattersley is writing about his personal experiences of a song. I'd say that fell well within the remit of his own expertise.

this just seems like yet another lazy, sneering, cooler-than-thou thread that assumes there are pre-approved and immovable ways to approach and write about music. personally, I find it interesting how different people relate to different songs, paintings, films, etc.

― mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

People are laughing cos it's a funny piece (albeit more self-aware than is being made out, I think). Stop projecting

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think the point is that like that other one about All Saints 'Never Ever' the other week, there's no point writing such things unless you're going to bother talking about the song itself (trivia, why it works etc.), display actual knowledge of facts and avoid generalisations just for your own convenience but more importantly explain why the reader should listen to it/appreciate it as well. I don't think this does a good job of that. It's just some privileged person's own personal experience (you might say this is fair enough, but really what's the point of it being only that? This just seems audacious and lazy once again.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose I'm like Tom except unironically: I wouldn't _mind_ a decent piece on how a private school white kid reconcilled his upbringing with a love of hip-hop (lol breihan amirite?), but I'd rather it wasn't "What ho that Lady of Rage is a saucy filly isn't she?"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Guanoman: have you actually read the article, out of interest?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Dom I wasn't being ironic! I was perhaps phrasing it a little ironically but the point is that this actually IS, judging from my experience (albeit 15 years ago) how private schoolboys think about hip-hop, self-awareness and all. It's not necessarily pretty to see it in print, but it is honest.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Stop projecting

never!

bit of an over-reaction maybe, but automatic, unexpounded snorts at music journalism seem to be pretty common around here.

have I read it? of course. it's not a great piece of writing, but it's quite interesting for what it is, which is the story of a love affair between a posh white kid and a hip-hop tune.

― mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

(OK, that should be some private schoolboys.)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

the line "He’d recently signed Eminem and made a packet, and was in a boasting mood" does crack me up and not entirely in a 'oh my god this guy is a choad' way, just because he literally might as well just quote the lyrics. i half-admire the chutzpah there.

i went to a fee-paying school, rather than an hactual public school. all the same this did not really chime with my experience of getting into hip-hop. otoh this guy only got into it when he was at university, because earlier rap was either scary or naff.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't _mind_ a decent piece on how a private school white kid reconcilled his upbringing with a love of hip-hop

i do rate or at least did enjoy Patrick Neate's 'Where You're At' tho he doesn't really talk about his personal relationship with the music that much at all iirc.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I got about two chapters into that Steve - really boring stuff.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I find it interesting how different people relate to different songs, paintings, films, etc.

So do I, and it would be nice if broadsheet newspapers could find different people to write about such things rather than the same DULL DULL DULL procession of "privileged people" who once again in our glorious age of meritocracy hammer home the point that what you have to say is less important than who your fucking parents are, what fucking school you went to and which future PR agents/section editors you shagged at Oxbridge.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it and found it interesting esp. bits about Dead Prez going to Africa, the S. Africa stuff, reputation of Fort Green, Japan stuff, funny reasons behind n-word persistance and so on.

But there may well be better books covering all that.

xpost

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

aye, a piece in a broadsheet about an oxbridge educated guy from comfortable background and how he discovered merit in something from the wrong side of the tracks. whatever will they think of next

― Storefront Church (688), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, maybe those kinds of people are interesting to the readership of broadsheet newspapers.

― Storefront Church (688), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

is this guy oxbridge? but otherwise yeah.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can assure you that it is not interesting.

― oxbridge educated guy from comfortable background (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

the readership of broadsheet newspapers.

dunno about The Times these days but seems a broad enough church to not excuse this if you ask me.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

sorry i forget the Grauniad doesn't count as broadsheet anymore...

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the readership of these papers (there is only 1x broadsheet now) somewhat exceeds the number of people who spend "long nights with trashy It girls at the Stork Rooms", whatever they may be.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Then again in today's Times there is a rant from Mick Hume saying lay off the BNP ballerina it's a free country etc. so maybe Roger Scruton reads it, or something.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Previously, rap had been either scary (Ice T’s Cop Killer) or naff (Puff Daddy’s anything).

hahahahahaha has he even heard "Cop Killer"? ("Cop Killer" is not a rap song!)

― baron kickass von awesomehausen (nickalicious), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

this is an excellent point.

i am also half-wondering if he had heard 'still dre' in 1999, in a british student union bar.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

i just like to imagine DRE, bored and high, doing a little self-google when he comes across the phrase, Still DRE is the bestest pal a chap could wish for...

― m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey.

I was just googled the man to confirm that he wasn't really any relation to Roy and came across this piece of his, which I am quite unable to follow (it also features a photo of him, Giles-fans):

'Where good-looking people lead, society follows'

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Marcello - you should read the Telegraph. It's a much better paper than the Times.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

I went to private school and for at LEAST 1 year but possibly 2 the Chronic 2001 was played EVERY SINGLE WEEK when I went out drinking with my non private school friends.

Tho I remember "Fuck U" was the track that was played most.

So in a way he's onto something, even if he seems like an absolute twat!

My private school friends actually are less "private school" than the ones who went to public school, don't know if this says something about the people or the school.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe private school here is very different...the more I think about it the more I think that there were more silent intelligent socially awkward people and or bordering on odd only children at private school than obnoxious rugby types (not that they didn't exist)

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ha - I remember when you were first on ILX and whenever anyone would mention some type of obnoxious behaviour, you'd say "but me and my mates do that!".

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

We drew the line at shouting out of car windows at people.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Naturally.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

It is interesting tho....now the same group of friends, loosely the same anyway all like the Arctic Monkeys and play that every single week, or at least anytime I'm out it's played.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

this focus group clearly shows real music has won out over violent hiphop pap

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

You watch - the Arctic Monkeys sound will be cheapened by such teeny-boppers as Beyoncé and Justin Timberlake in no time.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/carriage.JPG

still hittin them corners in the low-low's girl

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Patrick Neate's 'Where You're At' -- I really didn't like this book. I'd skimmed through a chapter at the bookstore and picked it up, but overall it had the "old rap was better, new American rap is too materialistic, people in other countries make realer music because it means something to them" vibe repeated chapter after chapter. Everything that seemed to be a revelation to the writer -- what he couldn't believe, or what he expected yet failed to observe -- seemed glaringly obvious while reading, for me.

Oddly, I don't see anything really horrible about the article at the top of this thread. Sure, he was really naive about rap and probably should have been a little more self-reflective before choosing his personal anthem, but I think he's aware he was a douchebag. And let's face it, sometimes it's really fun to be a douchebag.

― mh. (mike h.), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

LOL!! HIS VIEWS ON MUSIC ARE DIFFERENT THAN MINE, LOL!

― richard wood johnson (rwj), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

What is wrong with mocking something you find ridiculous? What is a suitable subject for mocking??

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

ILX

― teh_kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

teh_kit

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

old rap was better, new American rap is too materialistic, people in other countries make realer music because it means something to them" vibe repeated chapter after chapter. Everything that seemed to be a revelation to the writer -- what he couldn't believe, or what he expected yet failed to observe -- seemed glaringly obvious while reading, for me.

i didn't get this from it myself. i liked it's honest 'for the relative novice' approach.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think after nearly thirty years of rap we should have got past the 'for the relative novice' approach by now.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe a hip-hop version of Hell For Leather?

What is the other article of his linked actually about? I tried reading it just now, but half-way through I found myself wondering where the catalogue numbers were.

― Mippy (Mippy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I meant Hell-Bent For Leather.

― Mippy (Mippy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

I only came here because I'm too lazy to search for the actual article in copy and paste-able form. So don't blame me for getting my post-Hornby fandom biogs wrong.

― Mippy (Mippy), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

" nuclear holocaust in twelve seconds. "
is usually the front page headline of the Independant!

-- mark grout (mark.grou...)

Mark are you psychic?

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ha.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00240/p1-170107_240993b.jpg

(the text reads "For 60 years, it has depicted how close the world is to nuclear disaster. Today, scientists will move its hands forward to show we are facing the gravest threat in 20 years")

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

later that night the cleaners will accidentally knock them back to their original position.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

What is wrong with mocking something you find ridiculous?

Nuthin'. Just saying, taste is easy to ridicule; in fact, it is inevitable that one's taste in anything will eventually be ridiculed by someone out there. Maybe what bothers me about such mockery is that it is based on this weird sense of cultural superiority that can't really be reduced to an intellectual argument. This basically implies that there's no logic or reasoning behind it besides this boneheaded 'truism': I don't like ____. Only a moron would admit liking ____. You admit liking ____ so therefore you're an idiot and your taste sucks.

Something just seems so primative about this mindframe.

Not to say that ridiculing is wrong. In fact, I enjoy it quite tremendously. However, I think the brunt of the ridicule should fall on the music, not so much the person. to each his own, even if that means they listen to creed and dave matthews band.

― richard wood johnson (rwj), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

But it's not him liking Still DRE that's the ridiculous thing. It's his lines of reasoning; the window into the life of Giles Hattersley and his mates; his turn of phrase; his attitude towards hiphop and so on. I can't think of any music I'd think it was intrinisically funny to mock someone for liking (I imagine he'd think James Blunt qualifies).

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think after nearly thirty years of rap we should have got past the 'for the relative novice' approach by now.

because of course everybody is intimately familiar with the ins and outs of thirty years' worth of hip-hop. there are no novices left. there's no one currently discovering anything old for the first time and getting a rush from it.

― mister the guanoman (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

The things that are problems with this:

(a) strings of bizarre factual inaccuracies

(b) bizarre reasoning tantamount to factual inaccuracy (e.g., thinking rap somehow changed from its scary/naff past when ... Dre did a track called "Still DRE," about how he was still Dre, and sounded like he was still Dre, the same Dre who was one of rap's top-selling artists back before he wrote "Still Dre" and everything about rap changed???)

(c) the personal experience being written about does not seem to have any necessary direction to "Still DRE," and could attach to any big hip-hop single a man happened to enjoy during his brash young days

(d) instead of just copping to the fact that "Still DRE" happened to be the single of his brash young days -- just like everyone has one -- he tries to justify it by inventing a bizarro world history in which the song itself was the most important single ever, changing rap forever and setting the template for every subsequent pop star with any kind of hip-hop element to his or her sound

The last of which is kinda fascinating, actually: Tom, get right on a Freakytrigger series where people have to write insane justifications for why their favorite pop songs actually changed the universe as much as they happened to change the writer! It would be great reading, and I happily volunteer to explain how Men Without Hats's influence reverberates through the ages (without Men Without Hats there would be no Neptunes).

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm intrigued already.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 18 January 2007 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Arena / The Sunday Times
Giles Hattersley, Editor of Arena, will be leaving the publication to join The Sunday Times. Prior to joining Arena, Giles was Chief Interviewer for The Sunday Times. His new post and contact details are to be confirmed. Arena’s Executive Editor, Mat Smith, will be taking charge of editorial until a replacement has been appointed. For the time being Giles continues to be reached on +44 (0)20 7182 8383 and gi✧✧✧.hatters✧✧✧@e✧✧✧.c✧✧. Mat can be reached on +44 (0)20 7182 8383 and m✧✧.sm✧✧✧@e✧✧✧.c✧✧

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

THIS COULD BE YOUR BIG CHANCE

― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:31 (seventeen years ago)

Congratulations Giles! Who'd have thought the son of Cabinet Minister could rise so far and so fast!

― Tom D., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:43 (seventeen years ago)

ten months pass...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/feb/09/wikipedia-wales-deletion-row

lawl giles hattersley more like giles who?ttersley?

― special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 11:58 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&q=%22roy+hattersley%22+%22giles+hattersley%22&start=20&sa=N

ehhh zomg my second post on this thread appears to be the first in-public claim that giles is roy's son.

it was just a lame zing based on the irony that giles is a tory-boy and roy is, well, not.

― special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:00 (sixteen years ago)

This whole biz is pretty funny. The linked from the link Petronella Wyatt stuff is nice too.

The amount of times that my Google searches end up with ILX high in the rankings is staggering. Something to remember for folks who think that what gets discussed here is necessarily popular in the real world.

― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Monday, 9 February 2009 13:03 (sixteen years ago)

So you're Enrique? I didn't know that.

― Tuomas, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

(x-post)

― Tuomas, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:06 (sixteen years ago)

― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Monday, February 9, 2009 2:03 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah. but i guess that is how one ends up here. by googling "taylor parkes" or whatever.

― special guest stars mark bronson, Monday, 9 February 2009 13:35 (sixteen years ago)

We're down at 13th result for taylor parkes. Must try harder.

― Ozman Bin Laden (Raw Patrick), Monday, 9 February 2009 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22giles%20hattersley%22%20roy&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

^^ first page of this search.

― nobody really hates hen fap (special guest stars mark bronson), Monday, 9 February 2009 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

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