Anticipate? New collaboration between Mouse On Mars and Mark E. Smith is called Von Südenfed.

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http://www.myspace.com/vonsudenfed

official site of the new project by andi toma, jan st. werner & mark e.smith. two tracks uploaded. album due for may 2007 on domino.
(http://www.sonig.com/mom/news.php)

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say so.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

WANT

― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

One of the two tracks is a new version of a previous collaboration, apparently.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Smith was on the "Wipe that Sound" 12-inch from 2005 I think. Not crazy about that one, so I was v. surprised when I heard there'd be a full album of collaborations. But still looking forward to it.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like every new Mouse on Mars project makes me less and less interested in them. Mouse on Mars sing themselves! Bah. Mouse on Mars do lame house music! Why?! Mouse on Mars collaborate with some rock singer! Ugh!!!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

"some rock singer"

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I've never heard anything by him, but he is a rock singer, right? Most of the newer Mouse on Mars tracks with vocals have sucked compared to their earlier stuff.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

You should probably just leave it, man

― 808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Well, this used to be my favourite artist of them all.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

... I could say the same thing about Mark E. Smith

― Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not saying they shouldn't have evolved or tried new things, but most of those new things have not been that good.

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

when did tuomas turn into the lex

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, I've never liked rock music, Lex doesn't have a copyright to that.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

He has the hilariously ignorant copyright tho (or does he??0)

― 808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

You mean Mark E. Smith is some international superstar I should know about?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Being a HUGE MoM fan, I have to say that the MeS version of Wipe That Sound leads me to not be so gaga about this upcoming album.

That, and most of Varcharz.

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

No, didn't mean to say that really, but yeah it's pretty weird you have no idea who this "rock" "singer" is. The Fall turn up pretty often on ILM, for starters. xpost

"you don't look like no folk singer to me" or whatever it was, I loved "Wipe that Sound"! And being a dick aside I'm pretty excited

― 808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I've seen him mentioned on ILM, but why should I know more about him? As I said, I've never been into rock, and it's not like this dude is all over the Finnish charts.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Good holy christ, that's glorioooooooous.

― SAVE IT FOR THE CAKE LIST YOU CRAZY BROAD (patog27), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

"rock singer"

this could be a cool thing. i'm excited. mark e. is on a hott streak as of late.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas, Mark E. Smith is that rare thing, an ILM holy cow. I have heard him and thing he's not all that.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Pavarotti is a slightly better singer, you're right.

― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Pavarotti Sings Mark E. Smith. That I would want to hear, despite liking opera a whole lot less than The Fall.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

There are a lot of ILM sacred cows I'm not familiar with at all, and the majority of them seem to be part of this British/Anglophile indie thing, which has never meant anything to me. I think it's kinda weird to assume everyone knows these artists, unless they've had international chart hits. I mean, I wouldn't say to some indie heads, "You don't know Carl Graig?! You're so ignorant!"

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

there is no shame in not knowing Carl Graig

― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's true that ILM loves the Fall disproportionate to their fame. Outside the UK, at least, where for all I know they're superstars. Before reading this site, the only thing I knew about them was that they were a big influence on Pavement. Once I finally heard them, I was disappointed they didn't sound more like Pavement.

I liked Idiology but haven't been impressed with anything Mouse on Mars has done since then. Autoditacker was the high-water mark for me.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

your honesty is commendable, but sad

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

carl Graig?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

no one knows who carl graig is

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I like the stuff Mark E. Smith did with Edwin Collins better than these 2 tracks.

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Wipe that Sound" is kind of a trainwreck

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

The Fall are a "rock band" like Mouse on Mars is "dance music", if that helps at all.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.nndb.com/people/631/000095346/

― phantom of (emekars), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

MES + "some rock singer" = DIAF.

― GLC (ZakAce), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

I liked mom's new funk "rad connextor" direction--we need new german JB's! speaking of some rock singer, I've liked nearly all their records, did they not collab w/ the Thin White Duke on, gosh, nearly all of 'em? at least, he seemed to have been around.

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

This is a rich and rewarding thread.

― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

of course, MES has never ever ever actually sang, which on the surface would seem to make a MES / MoM collab more pallatable (that is, I get Tuomas' reservations), but I've never heard the original "Wipe that Sound", so that impression could be way off.

― eggzakly huhh? (zachary v.), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I know I shouldn't judge before hearing, but the moment MoM started adding vocals to its music was basically when they jumped the shark for me. Radical Connector was cool in theory, but the vocals on it sounded way too anemic for me to dig it.

I agree with Jaymc that Autoditacker was their high point. The IDM beats on Niun Niggung were already a turn for the worse, before that they hadn't sounded like anything else but themselves.

Here's a cool idea: MoM should collaborate with the singer from Toy Dolls.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

MES has never ever ever actually sang

Bollocks... or as MES might have it, Yarbles

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

mark e sings!

he's a real crooner on their cover of "victoria" by the kinks!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, this thread got me to listen to a few Fall songs, and I have to say the guy sounds about as interesting as the middle-aged tone-deaf alcoholics who perform at the local karakoe bar. Which is a bit more interesting than what I thought, but still not much.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

And this is supposed to be an ILM sacred cow?!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

He's no sacred cow, I'm quite happy to say he's been shit for years

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

listen to a few hundred Fall songs and get back to us.

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Start with "Tempo House", which has been slaying me for days.

― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

... whereas it's one of my least favourite "classic era" Fall tracks, so don't start there

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you were happy

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

he guy sounds about as interesting as the middle-aged tone-deaf alcoholics who perform at the local karakoe bar.

HAHAHAHA this made my day.

― sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

tuomas just got added to the killfile

― shanghaied by the dragon lady (get bent), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

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Actually this music is not bad at all. Um...nope. Not bad at all.

― Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

I'm rather impressed, excuse me.

― Bimble, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

this sounds like LCD soundsystem. and that's funny

― jaxon, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard the whole thing yet but "Flooded" is cool

― dmr, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not into electronica/dance music at all and this is pretty intruiging. Without MES I wouldn't be particularly into it, but the juxtaposition is fascinating. Which is to say, enjoyable.

― Mr. Odd, Thursday, 19 April 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

I would like to make my first ILM contribution in probably six months to say: I approve of this album.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

I listened to the lead single ("Fledermaus Can't Get It"), and while the beat was surprisingly good, the vocalists mumblings were just as awful as I thought. Can someone explain me what's the supposed charm with this dude? Why is he better than any random guy MoM could've picked off the street?

Also, while looking for that tune on Youtube, I came accross this silly little video, back from the days Mouse on M were still good (I can't believe it's been ten years since Autoditacker came out!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO1cBHBerUY

― Tuomas, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:40 (eighteen years ago)

Why is he better than any random guy MoM could've picked off the street?

uh-oh...

http://i11.tinypic.com/2we9ys3.jpg

― StanM, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

i really like 'the rhinohead.'

― fukasaku tollbooth, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

holy shit. this video fucking rules!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG-CLFPU6RY

― funny farm, Thursday, 26 April 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Tuomas, the anti-target market.

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 26 April 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

this album sounds quite ok in most parts

― Zeno, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 06:52 (eighteen years ago)

As with almost every Fall album since Extricate, Von Sudenfed is half genius and half passable. And no two Fall fans will agree on which tracks go in which category.

― Mr. Odd, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

jed said cunt!

― admrl, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Superstars in the UK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbjN9oP7Ik

― admrl, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

"still playing the scummy clubs, still kepping it real"

― admrl, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno, but i seriously feel like this is my favorite album of 07 so far. "Flooded" is fucking brill... just hearing MES go off about Sven Vath is enough on its own, but the programming is superb too.

― ken taylrr, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

The promo of this was laying on the sidewalk as I was walking home from work in Chelsea on Monday night. This whole rip-n-discard culture is getting out of hand--!

(Though I must admit the excitement of the find was diminished by the fact that I'd already downloaded the leak a week before that.)

I was surprised at first by its sound. I had expected and hoped for something chopped-up and glitched-out like my favorite bits off Levitate ("ESTATIC MIDGETS!!!"), but most of the Sudenfed tracks sound pretty much like hard-driving, garagey Fall riffs which just happen to be rendered electronically. There's not a lot of fuckery at the structural level except toward mid-record.

That said, I love it. The odd Afropop lilt on "Dearest Friends", MES getting his Halleluwah on with "Chicken Yaiamas", and the trio of burnin' opening tracks are standouts so far.

― Jon Lewis, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

it's [i]MIDGES[/i} though, luv. Like the lickle gnats.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, MIDGES.

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

Is it really? A call-back to "Bug Day" then, wherein midges hover over the heather and, if I hear correctly, Noah says "eek"?

I'm just as happy with ecstatic midges. No problem.

― Jon Lewis, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

i prefer the idea of a room filled with bouncing dwarves, myself, butI get the feeling MES plans certain mis-hearings a la Baz Dad State Hog Anal List

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

I have heard this album; reviewed it alongside the new Fall disc for Alternative Press. I have never listened to Mouse on Mars, and think the Fall are just okay and not exactly something I need to listen to on a daily basis, but...Von Südenfed is way better than Reformation and has nothing even close to half as boring on it as "Das Boot" from said new Fall album. Smith's voice actually sounds pretty interesting (in a good way) atop the electronics.

-- unperson, Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:09 PM (2 weeks ago)

Am I the only one who'd alarmed by this post? Why was this person even assigned this review in the first place? Is there any better evidence of why people have been steadily turning away from print reviews from Jackie Harvey ass motherfuckers like this? Is this post a joke? "Gee, I'm not too up on this Neil Young character's career or whatever, but I'll tell you, this Mirror Ball album isn't nearly as good as "Rockin' In The Free World.""

Used to be critics were informed about who they were covering and wrote for a loyal and equally informed audience. This post half-ruined my day - ILX not jumping on it and ridiculing this troll ruined the rest.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 3 May 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

yes, you're the only one who's alarmed. if you're familiar with said critic, you'd understand better.

unrelated: isn't 'flooded' in a car commercial? [after 'i like to live on the edge-ah,' i'm pretty sure i've actually heard this. don't know who's using it tho.]

― fukasaku tollbooth, Friday, 25 May 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

[also unrelated] I DIG THIS ALBUM.

I love both these groups/institutions, the album is what it should be, a catchy, awesome novelty.

― Drooone, Friday, 25 May 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

Does Varcharz sound like this? (Without the MES, obv.) I haven't heard any MoM albums since Idiology.

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 25 May 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Rar, I am loving this.

― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 28 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

"Blindness" by the Fall is in a car commercial. not sure about "Flooded" .... if it is I haven't seen it.

― dmr, Monday, 28 May 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Anyone...?

― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 06:50 (eighteen years ago)

this sounds like LCD soundsystem. and that's funny

Bleep.com blurb says it's the album LCD should've made after 'Losing My Edge' ha. It sounds OK from the clips i've heard but 'Plug Myself In' is still sticking in my head more.

― blueski, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think it does sound like LCD Soundsystem at all, really.

― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

has this leaked? i wants it...

― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

it's been out for a week.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tromatic-Reflexxions-Von-Sudenfed/dp/B000NJL6JM

― StanM, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I actually don't really like the way Mark E. Smith's voice is recorded. It's too high in the mix, and he doesn't do those high pitched yelps like he used to (and were great). He actually used to sort of sing all the time, "Rebellious jukebox", "industrial estate", "barmy" stuff off of perverted by language. Now he's just talking way too close to the mic with no real enthusiasm.

― filthy dylan, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

this sounds amazing so far!

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

Remember that shit Mr Oizo song? Flooded sounds like a cross between that and Actionist Respoke.

But it's still pretty great.

MES sounds so tuneful on the Rhinohead. The vocals are perfectly fine in the mix on this one.

― Drooone, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

eight months pass...

finally got this....great stuff.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 4 February 2008 20:59 (seventeen years ago)

it really is. hopefully not the last we hear from them!

― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 4 February 2008 22:19 (seventeen years ago)

"you don't look like no goddamned singer write-tah to me"

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:02 (seventeen years ago)

dear dead friends is so surprising at the end, pastoral folk after all the hyper techno stuff...sort of in the wistful MES vein of "Paintwork" or "Living too Late"

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 7 February 2008 19:18 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

sounds like cough medicine

― Pylon Gnasher, Monday, 4 August 2008 21:55 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.victoryseeds.com/candystore/images/smith_bros/cough_syrup.jpg

― Mackro Mackro, Monday, 4 August 2008 22:05 (seventeen years ago)

ten years pass...

false binary granted but still go back and forth whether this is MOUSE on MARS or THE FALL when binge-listening either

― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 9 August 2018 15:06 (seven years ago)

mouse on mars on bongos

― adam, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

your granny on mars

― a space stewardess (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)

we are the great MES

they said boil the chicken
i said no...I cannot boil the chicken
i had to modify the chicken
yiama yiama yiama
yiama yiama yiama
i had to boil the chicken
i had to boil
i had to boil the chicken
I go
YIAMIYIAMIYIAMIYIAMIYIAMA
I had to boil the chicken
I go
YIAMIYIAMIYIAMIYIAMIYIAMA
tomorrow's waiting

― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

thank you thread revivers, I finally ordered this CD. I have never heard it!

― sleeve, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

Jan St. Werner’s ‘Molocular Meditations’ is out and is a must hear for any MES fan, the side long title track in particular.

― Jeff W, Saturday, 29 February 2020 10:50 (five years ago)

thanks for this Jan. unexpected pleasure.

― Fizzles, Saturday, 29 February 2020 12:19 (five years ago)

er, Jeff, not Jan. tho Jan as well obv.

― Fizzles, Saturday, 29 February 2020 12:20 (five years ago)

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