Mika, Just Jack, The View: worst top three ever?

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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

pretty sure there's been worse but i have to say the appeal of just jack eludes me entirely. mika and the view are crap too but i can see why a certain sort of loser would like them.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

jamie t in the top 10, christ.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't dislike that Mika record. Dislike him, obv.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Mika wrote all the inflight muzak for BA, if you need any other reasons to hate him.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, other than him being an Arab.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

he seemed alright on popworld

no-one should be allowed to say 'Freddeh!' tho.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I hate people on class lines, not ethnic ones.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

mika being posh is the least unappealing thing about him

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

bastard went to westminster school for fuck's sake. BURN

― ;-) (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

dom's original post probably pretty close to being otm, incidentally.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

what was no 3 when 'roll with it' and 'country house' were at the top? that's worse right there.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like him. But I have yet to really hear his music. He looked great in i-D though!

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

where did 'baby cakes' get to, i wonder

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Baby cakes was #1. It was also a pretty great record.

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

say it ain't so

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

'baby cakes' was a strange and beautiful pop song indeed.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

No, I do like him. I could do without the Freddie Mercury affectations though. Still in a "British Popstar", OMM way, he's pretty great.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Baby Cakes" is roughly 1000 times better than any other record named on this thread.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

17 (-) Billie - Honey To The Bee

what?!?

i can't disagree with the original post.

― Merdeyeux Merdeyeux Merdeyeux (Merdeyeux Merdeyeux Merdeyeux), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Honey to the Bee is the greatest song ever. EVER! I hope your not taking the piss. Please.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Christmas 2003:

1. Mad World Gary Jules
2. Christmas Time (Don't Let the Bells End) The Darkness
3. Changes Ozzy and Kelly Osbourne

And then, just to put the icing on the cake:

4. Proper Crimbo Avid Merrion
5. Happy Xmas (War Is Over) Pop Idols

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

WE HAVE A CONTENDER: The UK Top 40, 22/8/04

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

u r wrong louis. go back and listen to 'baby cakes' again.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard Just Jack or The View, so I just checked them. I managed 9 words of The View's song. His hair alone made me quite batey.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: it's not as bad as paolo nutini, i'll give you that.

meh, maybe i was too young and closed-minded to the delights of '2-step'. i shall give it a re-listen.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

2-step is like the greatest genre of the past decade!!!!!!

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

but that top 3 has goldie lookin' chain and natasha bedingfield in it as well, so my argument stands.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

next you'll be telling me you've got no love for artful dodger or mj cole or 'sweet like chocolate' or 'flowerz' or amira or that amazing victoria beckham excursion into 2-step

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

And Doctor Who star Billie Piper's 1999 hit Honey to the Bee appeared at number 17 thanks to new chart rules after a campaign by BBC Radio 1's Chris Moyles.
Moyles asked listeners to download the song to see if he could influence the new charts.

Rules changed at the start of January to mean all downloads count towards the chart - no matter when they were released or whether a CD single version is out.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

re: the view - why isn't cornershop suing?

― danzig (danzig), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Guardian turned in the Weekend NME: An article on dull Lad Rock, with The View on the front cover. Is 00s Lad Rock worse than 90s Lad Rock?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/01/19/GuideCover.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/features/story/0,,1993345,00.html

The View - a bunch of twunts

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

I really like that Top 3 Louis. That is all.

xpost

Is there a setting where I can get subtitles on Martian's posts?

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Is 00s Lad Rock worse than 90s Lad Rock?

YES.

and lex, i don't know much about those artists, so i'd have to check them out. if there's one thing ILM is doing, it's teaching me to be more open-minded about pop!

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Was there some hidden hilarity behind the Moyles thing or was it just Conscientious DJ Checks New Rules Work How They're Meant To?

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

It was a thinly-veiled attempt for Moyles to get Billie Piper into the studio so he could try his Jabba the Hutt routine on her.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Louis you were still in primary school a decade ago, so how do you remember? where you subjected to TFI Friday? Lammo on the radio? did you see the ghastly NME in the mid 90s?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

It's not half as bad, or at least its easier to ignore in any case.

Blur and Oasis were pretty unavoidable. So were the Charlatans, Bluetones the Verve... it just seemed to be everything. All I ever seem to hear now is that Beyonce song. Teenage girls scream along to it on their mobile while taking the Raheen bus out to the Crescent Shopping Centre.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, in primary school it was everywhere. I can vouch for that. I honestly remember Oasis doing Roll With It on TOTP,

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Teenage girls scream along to it on their mobile while taking the Raheen bus out to the Crescent Shopping Centre.

am i going to wind up making louis a 2-step primer?

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to read it if you do.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think we ever had one for the ILM Rough Guide amazingly

― vita susicivus (blueski), Sunday, 21 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

what was no 3 when 'roll with it' and 'country house' were at the top? that's worse right there.

Michael Jackson- You Are Not Alone

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

*shudders*

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

You are not alone is better than Roll with it and Country house though, yeah?

― jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

oh for sure.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure even at its lowest point Jackson's career has never turned up anything as bad as "Country House"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Oh, its all the same.

Lex, who do you prefer, Oasis or Blur?

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

xpost, Earthsong came pretty close.

― from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I am so sad, I don't know why.

Maybe it's because you're Damon Albarn and you've just managed to write the worst song ever.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Sunday, 21 January 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

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i wouldn't care that the Pussycat Dolls didn't mean it if they actually made what i considered to be 'interesting' (or for me entertaining because they were interesting in some way) or stimulating records.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

"what a song sounds like" is a massive umbrella encompassing everything we've been talking about on this thread, pretty much! saying "all i care about is what the song sounds like" tells us nothing.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

no i'm not saying i can't hear it. i'm saying that it is not a trump card over whether i like how it sounds.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

I am curious to hear Alan's defence of the permed-chested German fire-eater at the very least, or maybe we'll have to wait until Tom gives a shock 10 on Popular...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

but lex would you like the PCD if they meant it? what if they do mean it after all?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

it's not whether they mean it (intentional) but whether they sound like they mean it

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

no i'm not saying i can't hear it. i'm saying that it is not a trump card over whether i like how it sounds.

what i'm saying is that it is PART AND PARCEL of "how it sounds"

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

but lex would you like the PCD if they meant it? what if they do mean it after all?

i would probably like them even more.

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

yes it is. but so are lots of other things.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

All of you* except Alan, Tom and Steve are falling for the classic Curse Of The Modern Rock Fan which is to value the process over the product, something I thought we'd thrashed out of this kind of discussion years ago.

Problem with this discussion is that the product being discussed is crap in all three cases.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

*Especially Lex.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

the classic Curse Of The Modern Rock Fan which is to value the process over the product

Blumenthal pop?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

actually i do like the process a bit. we can't be all "death of the author" all the time. i like to know something about these ppl making me lovely choons

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

Does 'what a song sounds like' encompass your entire reaction to a song? I think not.

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

it's not really the *modern* rock fan though is it matt? surely since punk this kind of stuff has been on the agenda. i think it must take long training not to care at all about the process.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

i like to know something about these ppl making me lovely choons

it can be interesting after the fact, but I personally prefer to know absolutely nothing (if possible) when listening to a new atist for the first time. good music shouldn't need to come with ready-made context in order to seduce virgin ears.

― m the g (mister the guanoman), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

Alan - but the people are part of the product though, surely?

(We're getting dangerously close to one of those 'debate the nature of Poptimism' things so I'm going to step back from the brink now).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

In relation to the three cases under review, the process is as shit as the end product. If you read this thread I am perfectly clear in that regard.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I honestly can't usually hear if someone "means it" or not. I know whether or not I'm convinced by a record, which is (I think) subtly but significantly different. Though maybe it isn't.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Surely the very act of not caring about the process is a dangerous notion left over from the Thatcher/rave generation?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

"Thatcher/rave"

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

As long as the process doesn't overshadow or somehow demand (or have thrust upon it) more respect than the result, I'm happy.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Surely the very act of not caring about the process is a dangerous notion left over from the Thatcher/rave generation?

Thatcher no, rave yes I think. But then again it's also a notion for the download generation. A couple of years ago I said that one of the great levellers in the way I consume music has changed is that downloading has caused my interest in the artist themselves to more or less tail off (exception - hip-hop). Somewhere back in the archives I said "it's all faceless dance music to me now", possibly in reference to Girls Aloud when they first appeared. Although it could equally have been the Arcade Fire or one of those other indie bands I like but am unable to name any of their members.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

(As a 'download generation' thing though YouTube has shifted the goalposts yet again so I'm probably wrong)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

downloading has caused my interest in the artist themselves to more or less tail off (exception - hip-hop)

what's special about hip-hop in this respect?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

hip-hop artists sometimes write lyrics about themselves... true fact.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

The best track on the new Fall Out Boy album is called "The Takeover, The Break's Over".

CIRCLES WITHIN CIRCLES

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

maybe that's more to do with your age than downloading matt?

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Possibly, although downloading has certainly been a big contributory factor.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

nah, matt (and many others) are GRANDADS when it comes to keeping up with modern pop! it's nothing to do with downloading, i download and continue to be enthralled by popstars

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

hip-hop artists sometimes write lyrics about themselves... true fact.

only these days i tend to find it far less interesting than i used to (just a personal pref of course).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

What about pop/indie/rock/zydeco artists writing lyrics about themselevs?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

downloading's impact has for me been offset by the realisation of the vastness of pop interweb universe now that it's theoretically all within reach. this sense of being overwhelmed takes over and i end up not wanting to hear much new stuff, which is a shame because part of me would love to spend hours on myspace etc. discovering some hot new electropop. hopefully i'll manage this by April.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Actually finding a good band on Myspace is so fucking rewarding its unbelievable.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

basically same here (only compounded) (and resulting in listening to nothing)

xpost

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

nick southall to thread

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Actually finding a good band on Myspace is so fucking rewarding its unbelievable.

rewarding, followed swiftly by frustrating as you realise that all their songs stop halfway through for no reason and refuse to play again

― lex pretend (lex pretend), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Surely the very act of not caring about the process is a dangerous notion left over from the Thatcher/rave generation?

It seems to me that to derive, in a fairly shallow way, from the critical theory generation, but where's the danger?

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeh i don't see/hear any REAL Actual danger either. unless Disco Duck > Crazy Frog because the duck MEANT IT.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

The difference is that Rick Dees wasn't trying to flog a brand called Disco Duck whereas Crazy Frog just sounds like the extended ringtone advert it is.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

A friend of mine knows the guy who recorded the Crazy Frog music, he's Swedish and actually very talented and devoted to his music (although he doesn't talk about the CF thing all the time, for obvious reasons).

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

what is so very "dangerous" about Mika and Lily Allen?

― acrobat (elwisty), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Presumably they're "dangerous" to the record company and PR staff who might have lost their jobs if they hadn't gone to number one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Is this a deliberate Smashey & Niceyism?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

haha, no!

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

You know... if you cut two minutes off "Starz In Their Eyes", and shot Just Jack in the throat every time he tries to "rap", it would be a pretty good song.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

I kinda like Mika.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

i am close to the verge of liking 'Love Today'

― blueski, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Presumably they're "dangerous" to the record company and PR staff who might have lost their jobs if they hadn't gone to number one.

Still dangerous for'em cause I'm very tempted to strangle the bloke who signed Mika. It's in cases like Grace Kelly I wish radio did not exist.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

I like "Grace Kelly" more than ever. Conversely, the Just Jack bloke makes me want to kill.

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

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