Paige & Dickson - I Know Him So Well

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Classic or Dud?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 26 January 2007 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's the "I don't know how to love him" of *this* show.

Formulae.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

At the time I admit I hated it. But now I adore it. Very good to drunkenly sing along to.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Also "Corny or not?" doesn't really map on to "Classic or dud" - or maybe it does, but in a corny=classic way.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

Love the vocal counterpoint at the end - but I'm a sucker for any vocal counterpoint. Lyrics are a bit rubb though: "But in the end he needs a little bit more than me, more security. He needs his fantasy and freedom" - what does he want, security, fantasy, or freedom? He should make up his mind.

― ledge (ledge), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't it that one woman thinks he needs more security, and the other thinks he needs his fantasy and freedom? OH TEH PSYCHOLOGY!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

"But in the end he needs a little bit more than before, security!."
" He needs his fantasy and freedom"
(both) "I knaa him so well..."

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

Is he some sort of Broadmoor inmate?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

(sorry, unfamiliar with the context of the song)

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't it that one woman thinks he needs more security, and the other thinks he needs his fantasy and freedom?

oh yeah, duh. Well in that case he's done a good job of fobbing them both off. THE BASTARD.

― ledge (ledge), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

I actually went and saw Chess when I was a nipper but I don't remember the context of the song, I suspect "he" is a big chess nerd tho.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:26 (nineteen years ago)

Two women doing battle over Nigel Short eh?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Or, as it turned out, Tim Rice...

The tenth Abba number one in disguise.

However it kept the "1999/Little Red Corvette" reissue off number one so I am naturally ambivalent about it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

"One night in Bangkok" though.

It reminds me of our five nights in Bangkok for some reason.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

An early hit for Miki...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

...or Mika even...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was wondering what Lush had to do with it.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

What's Lush but a second-hand emotion?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Can anyone remember any of Lush's songs without looking them up? Sweetness And Light, er, um...there was that one with Jarvis Cocker...uh...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

'Scarlet' was good.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

Dickson's career trajectory is sort of unusual in the move from trad folk through pop to musicals, isn't it?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

I can probably reel off more than a dozen Lush titles. But I can only remember what about six of them sound like.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Dickson did musicals before she went pop, e.g. John, Paul, George and Ringo in '74. But she was a bespectacled folkie before that.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

The thing that makes it difficult with Lush is that basically they only had two songs, viz.:-

a) the one which sounds like track three, side one of Heaven Or Las Vegas;
b) the bad Britpop one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Go back to talking about the eighties.

― DavidM* (unreal), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

It's the "I don't know how to love him" of *this* show.

But not as good though

― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

exactly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

(Well, I'd say Lush had a third mode, which was a kind of perfumed, spiky thrash ("De-Luxe", "Superblast"), which is what got certain folks excited in the first place. But it's only two and a half songs really.)

To excuse this digression, here's how it all links up:
Miki's mum...scrubbing Sean Connery's back in YOLT...Sean Connery co-stars with Peter Finch in The Red Tent...Peter Finch co-stars with Murray Head in Sunday Bloody Sunday...Chess.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ladykiller
Single Girl

YES!!! What do I win?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

I named two in passing, DogLatin. You win the taste of my dust in your mouth.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

i was gonna say you only won because you read the thread before me but then i realised you only posted one minute before, so that argument fails.

Good show old chap.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

Self-correction: 1999/Little Red Corvette was actually kept off number one by Foreigner's I Want To Know What Love Is.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

that'll be my dad's fault.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:08 (nineteen years ago)

classic

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

"But in the end he needs a little bit more than me, more security. He needs his fantasy and freedom."

Y'see, as this was very much my Break-up Song of the hour - and as such, one of the very last of the "OH GOD IT'S ME IT'S ME HOW DID THEY KNOW?" songs to have that kind of effect - I never saw a contradiction in the lyric. Who's to say that security couldn't be found in fantasy and freedom? That's the way I called it at the time. (But then, I am in The Gays. We sometimes do things a little differently.)

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Gambaccini and Tim Rice had a Sunday morning show on Radio 1 at the time which also served as a curious forerunner to the Rolling Top 40 thread. Rice was rightly embarrassed about co-writing the number one single but did say that the idea was two women who'd been with the same man and he shows each a different side (i.e. hypocrite, shyster) and neither knows about the other, &c.

IIRC on that show Rice was also rather fond of "Breakfast" by the Associates and was severely disappointed when it didn't make the Top 40.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Dickson's career trajectory is sort of unusual in the move from trad folk through pop to musicals, isn't it?-- NickB (nick@******.**.**

Strangely, I initially read this as Dickon's and thought it was a an oddly apropos comment on the move from Shelley -> Orlando -> Fosca.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, absolutely agree that the song is intended to show two differing/contradictory viewpoints - but self-projection can sometimes cause temporary blindness in such matters.

Love the song to bits, and gutted that there has never (to the best of my knowledge) been a Hi-NRG/Motiv 8/Almighty Records-esque cover version.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.almightyrecords.com/remixes/266/

Is this the same song? Performed by STEPS but still...

― onimo (onimo), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my. There IS a God.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Mike only the other day I almost shelled out 13 REAL POUNDS for some comp in the Gay Disco section of HMV, pretty much solely on the promise of "I Know Him So Well '96". Sanity prevailed but it is out there, and not just by Steps either.

Actually I might email you about Almighty in the v.near future.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Please do!

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

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Paige & Dickson - I Know Him So Well - Corny or not?