there's a new SAND album???!!! (the brit one. not the 70's kraut one or the 70's u.s. one)

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i had no idea! just read andy beta's thing on it. and they have THREE albums. i did not know that. every time i've brought them up here nobody has mentioned ever hearing them. anyway, this is the album i love:


http://www.sdcd.com/B2B/jsp/app/images/Scans/812794.jpg

soooooooooooooooooooooooo cool. wow, i wanna hear it. the new one. there are vocals on it, which scares me a little, but what the hell.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:55 (eighteen years ago)

Context, dear friend. Who are these people, exactly?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:57 (eighteen years ago)

i don't even know! that album, and apparently all three, are on soul jazz. still born alive is awesome instrumental stuff. some of it reminds me of red snapper a little. or at least the red snapper i've heard. great grooves and dissonance. andy's thing is here:

http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=431

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:09 (eighteen years ago)

i'd like to hear this too(!!!):


"the group is also down with the Russian avant-garde, having recently provided a live score for Andrei Tarkovsky’s three-hour opus, Stalker."

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

maybe not dissonance. just some cool chaos that creeps in around the grooves.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)

from soul jazz's site:


Sand's second album "Still Born Alive" is now released. Sand's music mixes Cinematic/Electronic/ Dance/Techno/Funk elements to create their own sound.

Sand musically walk the line between different worlds. They have played with, on the one hand, dance artists such as Robert Hood, Patrick Pulsinger, Andy Weatherall and Carl Craig and on the other hand with groups such as God Speed You Black Emperor, Squarepusher , Add N to X and ESG.

Sand play diverse live events. They have performed on stage with the Karas Dance Company in Tokyo (where they played onstage with, amongst other things, goats, chickens, cows and rabbits!), and live at the Vienna Opera House with techno ace Patrick Pulsinger.

Sand's music has been described as cinematic musical soundscapes. They are currently performing at a number of Cinemas in the UK (see flyer) with a series of interactive films by independent film-makers commisioned for this event. Film-makers include Chris Newby, Alison Murray and Clio Barnard.

Sand band members are Tim Wright, John Richards, Hilary Jeffrey, Neil Griffith and Rowan Oliver. The group was formed in 1998 and are based in Birmingham. Their record releases are as follows:

"Hello Mrs Apple" 1998 (Satellite Records)12"
"Displane" 1999 (Satellite Records)12"
"Beautiful People Are Evil" 2000 (Satellite Records)CD
"Bromide Fist" 2001 (Satellite Records)12"
"Still Born Alive" Jan 2002 (Satellite Records)CD

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

so, still born alive is actually their second album. and don't be scared, ned, they don't sound like godspeed.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:16 (eighteen years ago)

okay, i'm digging the track on the paper thin walls site with the singer. i'm gonna buy it at the store if they have it. still born alive is really one of my favorite CDs.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)

it's good, too! or at least, i enjoyed it when i gave it a listen - but then, i haven't listened to the others nearly enough to be able to compare the new vocals with the older material.

lucas pine (Ignatius), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:19 (eighteen years ago)

don't be scared, ned, they don't sound like godspeed.

Good, good...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

here's a pretty good review from a bbc site of still born alive. i agree with it for the most part:


"Not to be confused with the 70s German electronic outfit of the same name, UK quintet Sand offer up a new genre; hardcore jazz metal electronica. Or something like that. Originally an offshoot of programmer Tim Wright's Germ project with trombonist Hilary Jeffrey, Sand's diverse influences and activities (members of the band are involved in noisy dubcore outfit Scorn, jazz and electroacoustic composition) are greater than the sum of their parts.

Still Born Alive is a dense and occasionally pretty scary brew of bass heavy grooves, noise and jazz improv; imagine Dark Magus era Miles Davis played by Black Sabbath and mixed by Conny Plank. Like Can, Sand strip funk of its booty shaking joy and reduce it to pure pulse, an unstoppable journey to nowhere in particular.

Rowan Oliver's drums suggest a meeting of Al Foster and Jaki Liebezeit while John Richards' electric bass is a malevolent, fuzzed monster. Occasionally (as on the superbly intense "Airlock"), his melodic springy double bass adds extra texture, while fretless bass whoops punctuate the downtempo throb of "Body in the River". Throughout Jeffrey's fluid, treated trombone is the ghost in the machine, carving out forlorn melodics, angry blurtings or fogbanks of long delayed tones. His solo on the last part of "Bromide Fist" is a bit of a peach and makes Sand's connection with the more adventurous end of electric jazz (Miles, Mwandishi et al) explicit.

Wright's electronics are subtle yet crucial; gassy hisses, distended synth bass, jet engine howl and metallic bursts drift in and out, while his screamed distorted vocal on the closing hardcore blast of "Rubber Eye" is suitably deranged. Guitarist Neil Griffiths provides a raw, scabrous energy; vicious wah'ed chords or anguished feedback swoops. Intense, brutish and short (would that more cds were less than 40 minutes long), Still Born Alive leaves you exhausted yet wanting more. Play loud and often."

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:22 (eighteen years ago)

this is really the kind of jazz/rock thing i wish there was more of. and maybe there is and i just haven't heard it yet.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:24 (eighteen years ago)

hardcore jazz metal electronica

whut?

i always wanted to hear these dudes but could never find their albums.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 07:48 (eighteen years ago)

i can't believe nobody here has heard these dudes. where is martian? especially since ilm is filled with soul jazz running dog lackeys!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

and wire magazine readers.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, really.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

The Dalston Shroud (new Sand album) is great. I think the invocation of stuff like Black Sabbath and Miles' Dark Magus is silly, except in a distantly associative sense.

It just as often sounds like a jazzed-up version of My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult. Throbbing, claustrophobic, "rock" oriented dancefloor material. In fact, my only real objection to the record is that it sounds more like a DJ tool than the product of a proper band. (Whatever the fuck that means.)

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

still born alive does NOT sound like a jazzed-up version of my life with the thrill kill kult. miles and sabbath might be a bit of hyperbole, but the mood is right. like i said, i haven't heard the new one, so i have no idea how it compares to still born alive.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

I knew the MLWTTKK ref would sting a little, but that industrial-ish 90s sound isn't too far off The Dalston Shroud's plate. At certain moments, anyway. They've got MUCH fuzzier basslines and spacier atmospherics, but the skeleton isn't so very different.

I really, really like this record. But what I'm hearing has more to do with Spaceways (live trip-hop from the mid-90s), pseudo-industrial club rock and some imaginary dancefloor version of the Butthole Surfers than with the Can, Sabbath, Miles, Swans references that keep cropping up in reviews.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

"miles and sabbath might be a bit of hyperbole, but the mood is right."

That part, I totally agree with. I'm talking more about the structure of the music. The overall feel does have a lot in common with Miles, Sab, et al.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

i think the butthole surfers actually had dancefloor versions. hmmmm, it's hard to tell from just that one song on that site what the whole album might sound like. the new song definitely sounds different than the album i love though. see, now, i compared them to red snapper, not swans. so, maybe you aren't that far off. i don't actually know much about thrill kill dudes. the videos were always sorta terrible.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

every time i put on still born alive and other people are around they ask me what it is. it's very compelling!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I like it because it makes my house feel like a disco battleship floundering in high seas.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Sand include a university music lecturer, John Richards

Senior Lecturer in Music, Technology and Innovation - de montfort university, in Leicester
http://www.dmu.ac.uk/faculties/humanities/mcp/staff/jrich.jsp

and..Sand include 3 graduates of music from York University
http://music.york.ac.uk/news/2001_2002/article_023.shtml
Sand band members include York Music graduates John Richards, Hilary Jeffery and Rowan Oliver

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Somehow, this does not surprise me in the least.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

Germ was so sweet, esp. the last GPR album, Parrot, and the EP with Hilary Jeffrey. anyone rate Pin? Tube Jerk? TJ's Fold was an interesting mix of speed garage and banging, No Future-style techno. never heard the second TJ album. Pin seemed like Wright's take on Scorn. i need to hear Sand (the brit one, but not the brit one with Ed Ball, not the 70's kraut one or the 70's u.s. one). anything like Paul Schütze's Phantom City project?

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (Ghost Bear Junior High Attenda), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

i could never find anything by wright. i liked the one pin track i heard on a comp, though.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

i have a u.s. 70's sand album. the double album with a photo of a sandy sandwich on the cover. it's not that great. i don't own a copy of golem, the kraut sand and i really should cuz that stuff is the bee's knees. never heard the ed ball sand!

all i can say is still born alive is worth yer dough. if you like, um, music.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/55895

Their tracks on there are pretty good.

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:02 (eighteen years ago)

so what do THOSE tracks sound like? what does 2001 sand sound like?

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

Like this and this.

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Saturday, 27 January 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Noodle is my hero once again.

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Saturday, 27 January 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

i don't own a copy of golem, the kraut sand and i really should cuz that stuff is the bee's knees.

Oh no, don't bother, it's fucking rubbish, thanks again Mr. Stapleton for leading me up yet another blind alley!

Tom D. (Dada), Saturday, 27 January 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

The Krautrock Sand had one really really great song and then the rest disappointed me terribly, it was totally different.

Lick The Strobelight Lollipops (Bimble...), Saturday, 27 January 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Oh no, don't bother, it's fucking rubbish, thanks again Mr. Stapleton for leading me up yet another blind alley!

it's not stapleton's fault you've got shitty taste.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Saturday, 27 January 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

okay i downloaded that first track from 2001 and its a lot jazzier than still born alive. like jazzy movie music. and nowhere near as weird. still pretty cool, but they hadn't made that leap into cool-ass craziness. and i don't know about that spoken word thing at the end.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

2nd track is similar. these tracks make me think i don't need to worry about getting their first album. if i could ever find it. just the new one. thanks for putting them up though! and i'll just say one more time, if you ever see still born alive somewhere, buy it!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 27 January 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I figured they weren't as fully-formed as the later stuff sounds. But they have a certain gung-ho-ness that made me think "these guys are worth following" at the time.

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

(Krautrock Sand is pretty great btw dudes.)

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

There was also a (Brit) band on Creation in the 90s called Sand that put out a record called "The Dynamic Curve." I haven't heard it in a decade, but I recall that it was kinda interesting almost dark ambient. Anyone know about this one?

William Selman (William Selman), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

that's the Ed Ball (& Richard Green) Sand i referred to above. two albums on Creation, The Dynamic Curve and Five Grains. i wouldn't call either dark ambient. more like Ennio Morricone with the budget and tools of a shoegaze band. "Felatio" (from TDC) is an amazing piece of music.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (Ghost Bear Junior High Attenda), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

still love this album so much. someone should reissue it. they were ahead of their time or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcblH3i4ggI

scott seward, Monday, 21 March 2011 12:12 (fourteen years ago)

some of the still born alive album sounds like dubstep circa 2002. wait, was there dubstep in 2002? anyway, souljazz should put this out again.

also, still true that when i play this in the store everyone has to ask me what it is. it really is one of those albums.

scott seward, Monday, 21 March 2011 12:15 (fourteen years ago)

Found this very album in Amoeba clearance the other month! The Dalston Shroud that is.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 March 2011 13:06 (fourteen years ago)

how is it? i never did get a copy.

scott seward, Monday, 21 March 2011 13:27 (fourteen years ago)

Let me sit down with it tonight after work and I'll say.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 March 2011 13:41 (fourteen years ago)

okay, i'll wait here.

scott seward, Monday, 21 March 2011 13:44 (fourteen years ago)


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