Hauntology

Hauntology is just another word for Reverb?

OTM!

What you have done in volunteering to take your own life, Clive, is illuminate with poignant resonance the self-destructure in all of us.

Lol @ Wikipedia:

"Hauntology is an idea within the philosophy of history introduced by Jacques Derrida in his 1993 work Spectres of Marx and an emerging musical genre based on the idea. . . .

The term has more recently been used by music critic Simon Reynolds and blogger k-punk in reference to Ghost Box Music and Mordant Music."

Jesus.

I read Blissblog and K-Punk, but seriously, acknowledging how "hauntology" has been co-opted by musical critics should probably be a footnote and not part of the definition of the term itself.

I wonder what Derrida would have thought of Ariel Pink.

dude for once i am with you on something a++

Hahaha, excellent! :)

I read Blissblog and K-Punk, but seriously, acknowledging how "hauntology" has been co-opted by musical critics should probably be a footnote and not part of the definition of the term itself.

You know, I hear you can edit Wikipedia articles yourself now!

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/1229-1/o+rly__ruserious.JPG

What you have done in volunteering to take your own life, Clive, is illuminate with poignant resonance the self-destructure in all of us.

This kind of sounds like the Ultimate Warrior threatening somebody over the Internet

fuck k-punk in the ear.

it's a blue jam quote.

derrida, more like shit.

This just in from Derrida's representative on Earth:

"Ariel Pink? Ariel STINK, more like!"

ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"

hell of a thinker, that derrida.

He was Bernard Cribbins' regular stooge on The Good Old Days back in the seventies.

Gay-Punk, morelike

does mondeo pop have a wiki yet?

it wouldn't have to lean on old-timey books by fraudulent old academics and bloggers for credentials, that's fer sure.

We need a piece on Plan B about it.

Actually, that new Housemartins/Beautiful South best-of is HEAT. Don't front on "Five Get Over-Excited", that's the joint.

Blissblog? PISSblog, more like!

Simon Reynolds morelike Judge Reinholds

Ghost Box? More like Ghost BOLLOCKS!

http://www.nataliedee.com/012506/maracas.jpg

oshi

Marco Simalj was top class on this thread.

so ... what would make leyland kirby HAUNTOLOGICAL and rice boy sleeps NOT HAUNTOLOGICAL?

(Also asked this on ILE but makes more sense here, I think).

Boo!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EQXPQvxgn9A/RxmS2Ab8kUI/AAAAAAAABf0/O9ov57pl68g/s320/FrontCoverPhoto2.jpg
...proto-hauntology?

Hauntology, as its called, meaning 'that eerie-nostalgic reverence to boomer-era pop culture' is now a well-established aesthetic that has been around as long as the intervening period between being dreamt-up (by Boards of Canada/Look Around You etc) and the period its referencing.

So I'm interested - how do younger generations perceive the pop culture of their own youths? Is there an analogue for hauntology that could be ascribed to late-80s thru early-2000s ephemera? Is there a similar creepiness felt by those under 30 years old about, say Teletubbies or Mr Blobby or Power Rangers or what have you?

Vapourwave?

It's not 'creepy' in the same way but does conjur with imagined lost trajectories prior to 2001, rather than 1979.

That's a terrible summary of course; I actually had some good theories about Vapourwave but can't remember them right now ;-)

vapourwave was what i thought of immediately after posting. things like Encarta CD-Roms; the way games like Goldeneye (once considered cutting-edge) now seem quaint and blocky; early-internet nostalgia.. None of this seemed creepy at the time, but there was a dread going on with the early internet - cyberspace, chatrooms etc - that we don't think of any more

Is this like Scarfolk for Millenials?

https://www.twitter.com/sandwiccan/status/891749499151949824

And/or Americans.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlnpue

Do other countries have hauntology equivalence? So often when we think of this aesthetic it boils down to "60s-80s UK and US childhood nostalgia and pop culture ephemera".

But do, say the French and Belgians have their own canon of weird shit they used to see on TV, like this crepey-ass Tatayet puppet for example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEChY3jzW-M

Or this unlikely hit song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnLrV8wBMoA

Or this strange cabaret-reggae song about gangsters in Macao (TW: contains conspicuous yellowface - shared as an example, although I do like the song I admit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W29TzA1-Qc

the singing ringing tree

Haha all of this is too farcical to haunt me much

Back in the days when I was listening to a lot of Ghost Box stuff I thought a lot about how it mapped onto Australia.

I guess a big strand of hauntological imagery in the UK is folk horror (or unease) for kids yeah? Stuff like the Children of the Stones or the Owl Service or the Changes or whatever. ~~vibes~~ from the past weirding out the present.

As a colony I reckon our version of that might be an author called Patricia Wrightson, who wrote a lot of stories about white kids encountering eerie manifestations of Aboriginal mythology. She is way out of favour now as you can imagine but as a kid her books were the first inkling I had that this country had a deeper cultural history. There was an ABC TV version of her book The Nargun and the Stars which I dimly remember and is probably terrible!

The grown-up version of this 1970s colonial unease is probably Wake In Fright by Peter Weir - which also has a top spooky synth soundtrack. I would say Patrick White hits this note sometimes as well but is probably not properly pop cultural enough to fit in the hauntology basket.

Anyway colonial Australia is p.terrible at remembering/ celebrating its own cultural history so none of these are fondly remembered like Sapphire and Steel or whatever.

Argh fuck it for “Wake in Fright” pls substitute “The Last Wave”. Which by the way also feels like the past having a future dream about climate change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQkgXsTqzuY

I'm not sure if I ever thought that hauntology was extremely interesting a concept, at least in its trickle-down appearance in articles about music or pop culture or whatever. But I feel like whatever energy it had in that regard has severely dwindled over the years. Have seen some incredibly facile and worn-out invocations of it in recent years, just like barely going beyond invoking it to mean 'an older thing has a legacy', and tbh even that is giving too much credit.

Haha all of this is too farcical to haunt me much

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Oh it's all very silly. But I'm thinking about how it compares to say, Noseybonk from Jigsaw (which I'm sure I was among the first people on the web to write about in terms of its creepiness, but has now become a bit of a shorthand for UK 80s kindertrauma). That Tatayet puppet is terrifying

Why does he have witches dancing with broomsticks during his pop song 5.30 minutes in?

When one of them takes off her mask. Like what the fuck?