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I don't give a toss about this place anymore. Goodbye.

That's enough trolling, WL. Do your homework before starting such threads in future.

Perhaps I should start one about Minimal House featuring Des O'Connor and Joe Dolan.

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarli...), January 30th, 2007 2:43 PM. (nostudium)

you're obsessed with fitting things into categories, doglatin. but then i was too.

-- vita susicivus (n...), January 30th, 2007 2:33 PM. (blueski)

Errr... What about all the people going "Oooh, Dog Latin you are so dumb, you can't tell the difference between Electrohouse and Minimal House, FNARR FNARRR FNARRR!" or "How dare you say XTC are included in the genre 80s synth pop when it is clear to anyone that they didn't use synths? How can you say that they sound like Tears For Fears and Talk Talk when those bands have nothing to do with each other?*".

WHEN DID ILX BECOME SUCH A FUCKING NERD-FEST? GET ONE LIFE AND STOP PICKING APART EVERY SINGLE WORD I SAY AND GET BACK TO ENJOYING MUSIC!

I say this as someone who has been a regular here since 1999. ILX was never like this before. We used to help each other out with music queries, not fight endlessly over whether a thread is titled correctly or if a certain choice of wording was more or less appropriate to another. We didn't used to fob off noobs with sarcasm and oh-so-funny joke responses. We also didn't used to slag each other off day-upon-day and thread-to-thread for the odd bit of misguidedness in music.

The reason I come here is to learn more about music and to discuss different opinions.

I don't come here to act like a wanker and unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people unnecessarily quote people without actually giving a proper response (the most cowardly habit that's been developing of late on this board, along with simply writing "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" underneath what someone has written).

People like Dom, Ethan and Mr. Que go round taking the piss out of other people and complaining about things like "list threads"** without actually writing anything worthwhile themselves. I may not always be right about every single fact but at least I try and contribute worthwhile posts which is more than can be said than for people like them. They feel that because they've been here for a certain amount of time they can swan about with this holier than thou attitude, taking the piss out of peoples posts while contributing nothing to encourage music discussion.

People like this are smothering ILX and frightening off other posters, some who only turned up for a short while (Charlie Howard to name but one, and I'm surprised Louis Jagger is still here after the way he's been treated) and others who have been here for ages (haven't seen G-Kit for a while have we?).

I'm probably opening myself wide to more harassment from these cunts but frankly I'm beyond caring and I know there are other people on this board who are also fed up to the back teeth with this bullshit. There's only one word for it and it's trolling and if most of these people hadn't once been decent contributors to this board they'd have been banned fucking ages ago in the same way Callum and that lot were.

* As was pointed out on the thread in question, XTC and Tears For Fears were often compared to each other in the late 80s, synth pop or no.

**A list thread is only a list thread if you make it a list thread. If you don't like writing lists, how about contributing something useful and objective to one of these instead of moaning about them? My thread about definitive genres was called a "list thread" but that wasn't the intention at all. Besides, in many cases a list thread can be informative to people who want to know more about a particular kind of music or artist.

-- wogan lenin (doglati...), January 30th, 2007 3:10 PM. (dog latin)

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Crying eagle, stat.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

I say this as someone who has been a regular here since 1999.

ILX began in August 2000.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd1j7IM9h88

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

ILX began in August 2000. i was there.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

People like this are smothering ILX and frightening off other posters, some who only turned up for a short while

Actually, I think list threads scare off people. Maybe Wogan you should go start a board called I List Music.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

THE BEGINNING.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

It's a tragedy, I know.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

DL, it won't help change the situation but it would probably be easier to deal with the change in tone if you mentally insert "haha wankers!" after every ILM post you read; I find that doing so makes the whole board a lot more fun to read.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think this is the point when Cloris Leachman bangs the gong.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

DL, it won't help change the situation but it would probably be easier to deal with the change in tone if you mentally insert "haha wankers!" after every ILM post you read;
-- The Android Cat (djperr...), January 30th, 2007. (Dan Perry) (later)

This only works with RIP threads.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

use the killfile, doglatin.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

you should go start a board called I List Music.

hey don't be stealing my ideas without crediting moi.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

sorry sorry: credit vita, pls. DL

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

ILX began in August 2000. i was there.

I said 'don't categorise it that way; you'll never be taken seriously again'

― Hell Hath No Furry (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

ILX was never like this before. We used to help each other out with music queries, not fight endlessly over whether a thread is titled correctly or if a certain choice of wording was more or less appropriate to another. We didn't used to fob off noobs with sarcasm and oh-so-funny joke responses. We also didn't used to slag each other off day-upon-day and thread-to-thread for the odd bit of misguidedness in music.

When I first heard about ILM it came with a warning, put it that way.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Seeing as the FIRST EVER THREAD on ILM was a LIST THREAD I think we can safely attribute this as being TOM'S IDEA.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

ilx was irredeemably bitchy by late 2001. it got about 18 months, much like any internet message board. i blame strongo hulkington.

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

ILX began in August 2000.

Isn't this the sort of issue-evading pedantry/one-upmanship Dog Latin's spoken out against in his post?

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

We all blame hstencil.

WL's less-than-dignified silence on this thread is welcome since it's been a while since any ILxor has been so comprehensively pwned.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

the problem is as much questions like 'what are some tracks like these?' or 'what songs fit into this category' because they do encourage just list-making and pedantic queries over accuracy. it's up to you to phrase your questions and explanations within in a way that encourages better responses. not much sympathy if you can't do this.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

My very first post (well, nearly) was calling everyone "insufferable cunts". Not much has changed.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think d/l getting the date wrong is the main point. and maybe he was on freaytrigger.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

But Nick, that was before you realised what we were all about and EMBRACEd it!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Louis OTM.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

He's generally not very good at getting his facts right, is he?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

and we all know the facts are an important part of enjoying music. i like the critic/actual listener divide on here. there are people who desperately want some sort of psychosociopoliterate kind of kudos from somewhere and then the dudes who just turn up and kind of wanna hear some new stuff.

― george bob (george bob), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

the 'hostility to newcomers' thing also depends much on the attitude (or naivety) of said newcomers, plus everyone was a newcomer at some point. remind yourself what the differences are between ILM and other music msg boards - it's probably still MORE tolerant yet more...intelligent at the same time (i'm talking total archive rather than going by current mood). there are still lots of things wrong about ILM but it's always been pretty hegmonic and favouritist. i am unapologetic elitist, if you can't take the anagram of heat etc.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ive only been reading for a year. Its a nice board. A good mix of knowledge and bullshit. You read what you want, answer what you want, start the threads you want. Theres obviously room for everything. But bullying belongs in the schoolyard, where there are fat nerds who really needs a bashing to stop beeing ugly, but here were all adults.

― jon person (jon person), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

MC being a prick again shocker

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

Erm, to be fair Doglatin, ILX has been EXACTLY like you complain it now is for about five years. Maybe you hadn't noticed before because you hadn't been on the receiving end but I don't know.

Also DL I think the minimal/electrohouse thing has kind of reached a head because you went through a phase of going onto every other dance thread and going "why don't I like this music? I just can't see it working in a club" and then seeing it derailed into a lengthy discussion on same. Surely you can see this would be annoying to people who are really into the scene and actually want to discuss the records themselves without it going all "why why why". And why this might make people a bit cranky with you after the nth time?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

here were all adults

Is this the beginning of the new Norman Mailer novel?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

That said Marcello just calling everyone a troll isn't exactly constructive either.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

TBTIILXH, call him by his name.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

That said messageboards aren't exactly constructive in a world of escalating conflict and dwindling resources.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Marcello in his current mood is like a bull elephant in musth; you've just gotta take it and grin.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

killfile and grin

― vita susicivus (blueski), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

a bull elephant in musth

I like that one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Dog Latin, at times like these remember the quiet reassuring words of Eleanor Roosevelt:

"This too, shall pass"

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://jj.am/gallery/d/10543-1/Eagle911.gif

― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o292/freefreeuploads/myhotcomments6/m_a768c934ac05987f97dd9f2e45efc819.gif

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

ILX was never like this before. We used to...

'used to' are such useless words! I wasn't around when ILX started, but the thread revives I've seen from ILX: The Golden Age aren't all sincere and friendly adults sharing their information with comradely joy, and frankly going "the past was so much better why can't we go back there why can't we why can't we" is whiny and futile. It's a very common thing, to romanticise the past, but it's the equivalent of daydreaming about winning a million pounds and then complaining that it's not in your real bank account. Could it not be 'plz to make ilm nicer' that people ask for, rather than 'plz to return to fantasy world past where there were only ten people on ilx and they all liked each other and were intellectual heavyweights with a fine and witty turn of phrase'?

― ampersand, spades, semicolon (cis), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Especially when such "fantasies" are fully catered for on LJ?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

dude you fantasize about louis jagger?

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

er, no.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

ILX began in August 2000.
Scary, i started reading ILM at the end of 2000. I can't believe it's been that long.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

in the old days every ilxor would doff their cap as they passed another, and say "hail fellow, well met". all posters wore ceremonial cardigans, and the door was always open for a mug of delicious hot tea. now ile and ilm are virtual sinkhole estates, with new posters the paste from which a sick "sandwich spread" is made.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

I blame hstencil.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm trying to figure out which one is Jade and which one is Jo.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

mark sinkhole to thread (sorry m, i couldn't resist)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

"Everyone had keys to everybody else's doors..."

I only found out yesterday that that 9/11 eagle jpeg comes from a Muse video.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Serious?

― jimn (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I've kinda avoided the recent Muse stuff and all forms of music TV. Until I saw it on Youtube. It's actually kinda awesome.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

Really?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

YEAH it is OTT and KITSCH and ENTERTAINING it is like THE FIFTH ELEMENT but MERCIFULLY ONLY SIX MINUTES LONG

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

It's harder than it looks.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

bill cosby otm

― m@p (plosive), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

the 'hostility to newcomers' thing also depends much on the attitude (or naivety) of said newcomers

word to that

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Quite.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

?WHEN DID ILX BECOME SUCH A FUCKING NERD-FEST?

I think you missed the point

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

wait, someone post a link to that video

― mothers against celibacy (skowly), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

I liked Doglatin's posts, hopefully he comes back.

― zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

OMG JESS FOR PRESIDENT

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

don't thank me, thank myspace

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

"We all blame hstencil."

i do regularly. and w/ some amount of angst.

― edde (edde), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

i agree that a lot of times on the internet actual word choice is endlessly fussed about while the tone and intent of the message is actively ignored. it bothers me a lot, and i wish we could just talk in a conversational style without having to defend our every word because it's written in stone for hoards of nerds all over the world to pick apart, and then use against us in defaming our characters. sigh.

― richard wood johnson (rwj), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, is there a way to tell when you first posted to ilx?

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

go to settings, click on jaymc tab

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

i realise this aint the normal thing on a thread like this, but if he really has fucked off elsewhere then i'll miss doglatin.
there i said it.
and yes i cried when ET phoned home, all right...

― mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

wait, someone post a link to that video

In the end like every other messageboard you have to sift the wheat from the chaff, and like every board there's always some annoying cunts who you take a dislike to - so what's new?

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

dog latin, I'm pretty sure I remember you pulling the same ridiculous zinging bullshit on me, so fuck you for starting this ridiculous whiny ass titty baby thread, waah waah waah.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

He went outside, perhaps he will write you, tell you what it is like there

― Carl Taylor (688), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

Oh Yes ILM was once a kinder, gentler place.
Poptones Goes Bust: Your Views Please - Here's My Considered Analysis

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yes ILM was once a kinder, gentler place.
Poptones Goes Bust: Your Views Please - Here's My Considered Analysis

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

oh shit double-post!!

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

oh shit double-post!!

― Ice Cream Electirc (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

7:38 AM, 18 Jan 07 locked user g-kit by Pashmina (by g-kit's request)

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

For the record "put your hands up for Detroit" is not minimal and breaks suck fat boabie.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:12 (eighteen years ago)

and dubstep isn't a subgenre of grime.

I think that's it all out now.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

Deep breaths.

― jimn (jimnaseum), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

Put Your Hands Up For Louis Jagger, He Likes The Nazis

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.yikers.com/images/emo.gif

All the Kids who Listen to Ska Get Good Grades and are in Lots of After-School Activities

― the table is the table (treesessplode), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:15 (eighteen years ago)

Wogan, I am a little sad that you didn't go about doing this in a different way, and I hope that you remain on here.

The place needs more Tom Waits fans. Maybe.

― J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

The Lex is perhaps Tom's biggest cheerleader on ILM

― Hell Hath No Furry (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

these people are all still posting aren't they?

― acrobat, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago)

pity bout the last one

― 696, Friday, 13 July 2007 09:56 (seventeen years ago)

i don't think charlie howard is, but if you want to make an omlette...

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:00 (seventeen years ago)

WHEN DID ILX BECOME SUCH A FUCKING NERD-FEST?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:00 (seventeen years ago)

~~Marcello~~ Dom in his current mood is like a bull elephant in musth; you've just gotta take it and grin.

― Just got offed, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:05 (seventeen years ago)

Good thread.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago)

Charlie Howard sighted yesterday.

― energy flash gordon, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:24 (seventeen years ago)

Are you saying that dog latin locked him in his basement to prove his point?

― That mong guy that's shit, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:29 (seventeen years ago)

Did Dog Latin like MIA?

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 July 2007 10:31 (seventeen years ago)

More fine Howard from the last 24 hours:

Color Me Badd

Misheard lyrics

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=83&boardid=41&threadid=52450

― energy flash gordon, Friday, 13 July 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago)

i like it how TWO words are misspelled in the band's name

-- Charlie Howard, Thursday, 12 July 2007 19:04 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

POSTER OF THE MONTH

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 July 2007 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

the only reason i stopped posting for a while was because i was in japan/europe for a couple of months. had other fish to fry. back on board now obviously.

people on here can be pretty impolite, but i get on well with most.

thanks dom

― Charlie Howard, Friday, 13 July 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago)

Wot kinds of fish did ya fry, Charlie?

(I fried just some frozen fish today. Don't kno what name it went by)

― t**t, Friday, 13 July 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago)

(tho i could still recover that wrapping from the trash, maybe, and see if they call that poor fish by a name)

― t**t, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago)

i tried fried herring in sweden

― Charlie Howard, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago)

herring's well and good. mine was a ... "saida dish in lemon sauce".
've no fekken idea what this "saida" 's called in foreignese. (nor how it, like, looks in my m-m-m-mother tongue.

― t**t, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago)

oh -- sorry dudes! do keep latining, woganing (and, if you really cannot otherwise, lenin-ing) like nothing fishy happened meanwhile!

― t**t, Friday, 13 July 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

and on another complete tangent, i love those swedish boiled meat dinners

and i do acknowledge that there is less waits discussion since wogan left. that is a pity

― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 14 July 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago)

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