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According to the article, it's only a matter of time before the Beatles' canon is on iTunes. Could the timing of their debut on iTunes correspond with remastered versions of all their albums?

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:58 (eighteen years ago)

― jimbo (electricsound), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

The whole "Why aren't the Beatles on iTunes?" thing is very curious to me. Are people really clamoring for it? It seems like everyone in the world who would care either: (1) Has Beatles CDs that they can rip; or (2) Uses illegal file sharing services on which they can download the MP3s. Who is dying for this, really?

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Which is not to say that the Apple/Apple Corps. marketing machine won't be able to turn this into a "need" that millions of people want very badly to satisfy.

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

Not to mention that with their timing, they could now feasibly have loads of songs in the top 40 whenever their catalog is opened to the digital market. And naturally their albums would place high on the charts as well.

― musically (musically), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

this has been rumored for months, and I think it's expected that Love will be on itunes on valentine's day. but maybe not.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

Also: would a 128k AAC file that has been "remastered" sound better than, say, a 224K VBR rip of the current CDs?

― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

which would you prefer, your foot being cut off outright or a pound of flesh sheared off various parts of the surface of your body

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:34 (eighteen years ago)

should I buy a copy of Love? I am so wary of the Vegas but then read that 'I Am The Walrus' never sounded so good. Sorry to ask here instead of dutifully looking up the 9000 post thread

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:36 (eighteen years ago)

The sound is fine. The content is rubbish.

― everything (everything), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

rats

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:43 (eighteen years ago)

People seem pretty divided over Love. Personally, I think it's worth buying.

― Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

(1) Has Beatles CDs that they can rip; or (2) Uses illegal file sharing services on which they can download the MP3s. Who is dying for this, really?

Not true! A lot of the people who use iTunes are still boomers who barely know how to work the CD ripping device and/or don't know where to find an illegal p2p service, much more how to use one.

You can't imagine fifty-year-old women ripping Beatles CDs, putting them on their iTunes/iPod and then organizing them accordingly, can you? They don't usually have the time, much more the knowledge.

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

i think love is really good, but it's not a masterpiece of anything. it's worth buying for how good I am the Walrus and A Day in the Life sound though (and they aren't segued into anything).

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm...would be interesting to see the demographics for the iTunes store. That many 50 and 60 year olds use it? That surprises me. I figured their customers were mostly in their 20s, 30s, and early 40s, and they know how to rip CDs. I mean, there are fewer steps involved w/ ripping a CD in iTunes than buying one, about 2 or 3 fewer in fact.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

ha that's so true i love it. it's like i want this, here it is.

hahaha

― Surmounter (rra123), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

it's worth buying for how good I am the Walrus and A Day in the Life

This is true. I wonder though,in these remastered versions how much has been added/brought out/changed that isn't in the original lps?

― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 04:22 (eighteen years ago)

Not a large number of people, but there will always be a small number of kids who have heard some Beatles stuff at school and liked it so much they want to have it on their iPod.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

I figured their customers were mostly in their 20s, 30s, and early 40s

More like 20s and teens. Those of us who are older stick to albums rather than single tracks.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Believe it or not, you can actually buy whole albums on iTunes, too.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/collections/M2_front/front.jpg

Daily Mirror front page story

And bookies last night predicted Beatles hits will occupy EVERY space in the Top 40 once they can be downloaded legally.

― DavidM* (unreal), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Just like the Proclaimers and Siouxsie and the Banshees monopolised the Top 40 in January.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

It's more likely to be The Beatles at 2 through 40 with Snow Patrol at #1.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Every space in the top 40? Well that sounds reasonable.

xpost - I was going to say, save at least one spot for Westlife or something.

― musically (musically), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Vice versa more like (xpost).

Let's face it, we'll have "Get Back" in for one week at number 39 and that'll be it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

If the Beatles management is smart, they'll do these rips from the old CDs, then re-release them all in a year in remastered versions.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

Believe it or not, you can actually buy whole albums on iTunes, too.

Next you'll be telling me people listen to them all the way through!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

well they can't i don't think as LOVE is already remastered. as is the yellow submarine songtrack, and that let it be naked thing. actually other tracks may be also aswell, wh's the resident fabs gek on ILM i forget.

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Campaign to get "Carnival Of Light" to number one begins NOW!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

i'll buy that. who objected to it coming out on athology 3 was it harrison?

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yep.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

"...the sound of a church organ, various effects (water gargling was one) and, perhaps most intimidating of all John (Lennon) and Paul screaming dementedly and bawling aloud random phrases like "Are you alright?" and "Barcelona!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Light

― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

I might get "Rain".

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

should I buy a copy of Love? I am so wary of the Vegas

you should actually go to vegas and see the show. it's great. really!

(really!!!)

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

Snow is more likely down here this week (xpost).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

Aspinall's said that they're working on remasters for both download and physical re-release. I just hope they take the SQ of Love as the standard to work towards, and that The Beatles kind of put an end to people making records sound like Keane / Snow Patrol / Bloc Party / etcetera.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

We're too far gone to turn around.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

That's my fear but not, obviously, my hope.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

Also: would a 128k AAC file that has been "remastered" sound better than, say, a 224K VBR rip of the current CDs?

What do you think about this, Nick?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm unsure. It's debatable. If you took Walrus off Love and Walrus off MMT and ripped them at those rates I'm pretty certain the Love one even at 128 would sound better - it's more balanced, richer, wider, the stereo mixing is slightly altered, and the frequency squashing wouldn't totally destroy the other improvements. But it depends what you listen on. And how they remaster them! If they remaster just for playback at 128kb MP3, there's little point going for superduper clarity, but if they remaster for proper CD re-release and then rip MP3s from that... I pretty much refuse to use iTunes though. I never even use Emusic. Compression as file format is way different as a sound-degredating phenomenon than early CD mastering when limits and equipment weren't fully developed/understood.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

It's all very well for us, handful of computer-literate types that we are to think that, but really, not many people can work computers that well (at least where I come from). Sure, a lot of people can operate MS Office to a more or less perfunctory level, but if I mention Firefox or BitTorrent or Slsk to most people I know, I'd be met with some rather blank looks. I think iTunes will sell lots of Beatles things.

― scotstvo (scotstvo), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

128 AAC's of the Eno & Can remasters sound different than 320 mp3's of the original issues. They're different recordings. What remastering adds is not comparable to what file compression subtracts.

Also for the piddly record I hate AAC artifacts much more than mp3 artifacts -- mp3 noise is like a layer of fizz you can kind of screen out but AAC's really screw with the sound, redistributing the frequency balance of the sound. Maybe it sounds all right for some pop but with a lot of experimental music ripping to AAC can constitute an outright remix.

Has anyone sat down with the 5.1 surround version of Love yet?

― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

One of these days, I will.

I have the disc and some of the technology.

― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

Believe it or not, you can actually buy whole albums on iTunes, too.

But they don't have album covers. And concept albums with no pause between tracks skip.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:43 (eighteen years ago)

iTunes 7.0 finally fixed that, we now have gapless segueways and album covers

point taken though, it's not the same

― milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

iTunes 7.0 finally fixed that

They did? Good news, and I hope Nero incorporate the same technology. :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone sat down with the 5.1 surround version of Love yet?

i recommend listening to it at full blast in a las vegas arena while gymnasts, roller skaters, trapeze artists and trampolinists do amazing feats in front of you. really!

(really!!!)

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

Geir, Toast also burns gapless (DAO) discs.

I found this rofltastic quote from that wiki link upthread:

George Harrison rejected it because, according to McCartney, "he didn't like avant garde music."

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

it's really weird that that track never leaked when pretty much everyting else that wound up on anthology leaked in the 80's somehow

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Surprised there's no thread (that I can find) for non-Beatles Apple recordings...Bought a cheap copy of Jackie Lomax's Is This What You Want? (1969) on CD. (I've had Three on vinyl for years. Remember nothing.) Christgau gave it a B: "...some good songs and superb production by George Harrison, plus Richard Starkey on drums" (he was very prosaic back then). I'll keep one of the bonus songs on my hard-drive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATaz5LKNHY

He's very susceptible to David Clayton-Thomas Syndrome on a number of songs.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 03:10 (seven months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NuaQetsDbk

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Wednesday, 14 May 2025 05:05 (seven months ago)

That got a 7" release recently.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 14 May 2025 06:38 (seven months ago)

(xps) What, singing out of tune?

― Blake the Messenger (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 May 2025 06:50 (seven months ago)

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