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How did the invention of the personal stereo change the way people listen to and think about music? What influences did it have on the way music was made and sounded, and which music people bought? Good or bad thing?

Tom, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm unclear on my history: did the walkman post date or predate the ghetto blaster/boom box?

Also, big props for being one of the Trade Marks that make the jump to generic nouns (hoover, etc).

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno about how Walkmen changed the way I listen to / approach / buy music, but it certainly made walking across Northampton at 2am when full of drugs a damn site more interesting when I had Leave Them All Behind by Ride on my minidisc...

Nick Southall, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Blasters/boomboxes predated the original cassette-tape Sony Walkman by several years, as I recall.

As for how it affected music listening, there's probably a helluva thesis in there somewhere. Certainly it changed recorded music into a potentially more internalized thing--the old saw about the personal soundtrack and so on. But then again, I suppose it also somewhat fractured the experience of listening to music in public and created a means of isolating oneself even in the largest crowd.

Years and years ago, a friend of mine told me about this idea she had: She wanted to throw a dance party, encourage people to bring their favorite cassette of dance music, and hand everyone a Walkman at the door. The idea was that you would be able to see a whole roomful of people dancing, all to different beats, and hear no music.

As for direct effect on music, I haven't really thought about it, but I will.

lee g, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That 'Walkman party' idea is a damn good one, but you'd probably need to get everyone very well lubricated with booze in order for them to lose enough inhibition to dance with a walkman on in front of people - we all know how bad it is when we turn a corner on an empty street, bellowing along to our internal soundtrack, to be confronted by the milkman / teacher / girl you see around town every day and fancy / etcetera - it'd be incredibly weird to try dancing to a walkman with loads of other people doing the same...

Nick Southall, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The most obvious answer: it changes the way people listened to music, by letting them listen to more of it. And the fast-forward/rewind (Rewind!) buttons would be much easier than sitting in front of the stereo with an enormous pair of headphones on, the other option for quality replayable music with proper stereo.

I am here assuming that portable radios with headphones also predated walkmen.

Andrew

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Now that you mention it, the Walkman has also encouraged the growth of unself-censored tuneless singing, a la Eddie Murphy in 48 Hours and my old roommate Ric, the Styx fan.

lee g, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew: Excellent point. And headphones culture does predate the Walkman, but the Walkman liberated it from the couch.

lee g, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

. . . and brought more personal choice into the matter than one would ever get with a portable radio.

lee g, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Short answer: Walkmen made people more aware of bass and beats, because of the frequency response of early headphones. You, the primary listener, could barely hear the bass (whereas with a boombox the bass is accentuated), while EVERYONE around you - secondary listeners - could hear "TSS-TSS-TSS-TSS..." even at medium volume. Possibly more modern equipment has 'fixed' or at least mitigated these frequency response / leakage problems (I haven't used a Walkman in years).

Quiet carriages in trains = CLASSIC btw. Me = grumpy old codger before his time.

(ps "rewind" button??! A no-no IIRC : always killed your batteries in double quick time)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What a huge, fascinating question. Too much to go into now. A couple things:

1) The walkman party reminds me of the last Flaming Lips tour, where the audience could get a free set of headphones and radio at the door and listen to a mix of the concert on headphones while watching the show. It was good when you went to the bathroom anyway, but the 'phones were too cheap.

2) I think the walkman has done a lot to make music listening a less communal experience, which has a real downside. My listening tends to be personal to the point that it gets lonely sometimes, and much of it is done on headphones while riding the bus, etc.

Mark, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i. i'm sure i've told this one before but the Central Park rollerskaters, who have had DJs and MCs provide their soundtrack for at least 15 years now, get slammed by Guiliani for creating "noise pollution" and for a few weeks they were BANNED from having any music. so everybody brought headphones and they all skated silently to their own beats!! tres strange. but it was obvious which was prefereable: they Brought That Beat Back as soon as they could.

ii. The last time I flew, my roomie was like "don't forget your walkman!" which was sitting on the table as I was heading out the door. I looked at it for a second and left it there. For some reason I get MORE fidgety on flights/trains where I'm listening to music on headphones. i like hearing the real sounds of world around me. recorded music = DUD.

iii. Anybody who's ever made a song on a 4-track or a DJ mixtape can tell you that you hear about 5000 more things through headphones. So I think 1 huge effect = it turned producers into stars.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the French Kicks better.

Andy, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

good question. will think of something tomorrow morning while commuting with my highly appreciated portable md-player...

willem, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"As for how it affected music listening, there's probably a helluva thesis in there somewhere. "

i believe Paul du Gay, Stuart Hall etc did quite a big thing on the walkman, using it as an example for introductory cultural studies. i did actually buy the book in my first year but found it extremely unhelpful, despite it being like *the* cultural studies textbook.

a tv programme based on the book was actually screened recently at some ungodly hour as part of BBC2's learning zone. the programme made the subject seem more interesting but wasn't in any way more helpful.

Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

michael bull - "sounding out the city"

geeta, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has anyone heard the new walkmen record? I just read the pitchfork review.

klaus, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the sound of the Walkman party, but most times I see people dancing there's a proportion who, I've long thought, look as if they must have their own personal walkman playing something with either a very different beat, or possibly no beat at all.

Anyway, I'm old enough to remember before any music thing was any more portable than the average television. Life is better now, trust me. It's what makes tubes (waiting for them, travelling on crowded ones) bearable. You can soundtrack your own life.

Martin Skidmore, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I developed piercing tinnitus in my right ear because of my Walkman. Actually, it wasn't the walkman's fault, but rather my own pig-headed insistance that "IT'S NEVER LOUD ENOUGH!" When you're in yer teens and twenties, you think you're invincible. It's not until you crack thirty that shit starts to fall apart on ya. So beware, kids, and turn it down once in a while.

Regarding the Walkmen (the band), please see the new thread, "Things You've Surprised Yourself by HATING" to get my take on it (if you give a rolling rat fuck, that is).

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what andrew said is the most significant change in my opinion: the walkman allowed people to listen to more music.
that holds true for me as well: a lot of stuff i borrow from friends or the library i copy immediately on md. commuting 2 hrs. a day allows me to "discover" "new" stuff that i wouldn't have discovered otherwise. maybe this also explains, in part, the huge expansion of the music business in general.

willem, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Long Statement:"Possibly more modern equipment has 'fixed' or at least mitigated these frequency response / leakage problems," Short Answer: NO Flated with a Welsh git who would tag along to house parties in London and didnt like the Antipodean hardhouse stuff so he would always bring along his walkman. Needless to say he didnt make many friends.

kiwi, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The CD player in cars is also allowing people to listen to more music and more intensely. After work I go home and put on a CD but am while I'm doing other things around the house but when drive a 100 miles between Dublin and Waterofrd on the weekends I can get through a lot more music and give it more attention. It's usually only me in the car and it's like being in a comfort zone with nothing to interrupt the music listening experience unlike the myriad distractions of the house.

David Gunnip, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

music in cars! what will they think of next, eh? :)

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

B-b-but what about the distractions of the ROAD!!!

Tom, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not a distraction - the road is VIDEO. Interactive no less.

Curt, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've taken that bloody Dublin Waterford road so often that byy this stage I'm doing it in my sleep!! So it's pump up the volume!

David Gunnip, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

If I loved the first two albums and hated the third, will I get anything out of what this band has done since?

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 2 April 2012 11:13 (thirteen years ago)

Oh shit sorry

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 2 April 2012 11:14 (thirteen years ago)


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