In 1991, if you were really into noise, what albums did you have?

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I know of a lot of noise rock from the era, and I know that some noise artists like merbow and whitehouse were doing stuff back then, but what else was going on?

― filthy dylan, Sunday, 25 February 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

hanatarash
borbetomagus
skullflower

lotsa other stuff too

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

most anything on the Amphetamine Reptile label... Halo of Flies, Cows, Lubricated Goat, loads of stuff from them was really happening back then. (not like avant-noise, but more just hate-your-parents noise/punk rock type shit). I think that is back when people started rockin the Boredoms/Public Bath type shit as well.

― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Definitely Boredoms thanks to Shimmy-Disc releasing Soul Discharge in 1990. Bunch of us college DJ types went 'UH?' and the rest followed.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

college dj types, leading the way.

― hstencil, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

ahead of even the japanese in this case

― strongohulkington, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

Agree so far w/ Boredoms & Skullflower. That's the "noise" I was listening to in the late 80s/early 90s. Rock-context noise, hardly mainstream, but lauded in Forced Exposure & Your Flesh. Also psychedelic stuff that veered in that direction: ST-37, Unholy Swill, Liquorball, Caroliner, etc.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

Seemed like there was just starting to be more US interest in Xpressway stuff around this time.

Also: Twin Infinitives!

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

ahead of even the japanese in this case

We were just THAT good.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)

Other contenders: Early Pain Teens. The Mike Gunn (pre-Charalambides). Current 93 & Nurse with Wound (neither exactly "noise" by this point). The Dead C and a whole bunch of affiliated/like-minded Kiwi wheeze 'n' drone soundscapers. Azalia Snail?

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

i think my brother brought home shimmy boredoms and torture garden on the same day. but early 90's was a fine time for all kinds of stuff. sludge, death metal, grindcore, noise rock, japanese stuff, powertools, industrial madness. i bought everything on public bath at the time. plus, too many bunnybrains shows. oof.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:55 (eighteen years ago)

listened to way too many controlled bleeding rekkerds.

http://www.gothtronic.com/Goth/img_/Music1/sub/Skin%20Chamber-Wound.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:58 (eighteen years ago)

Zeni Geva were the first of that wave of Japanese music to tour in the US, weren't they?

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

listened to way too many controlled bleeding rekkerds.

Had a few of those. Remember C'est La Mort Records?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-203875-1074643348.jpg

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

that was a picture of something.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

i still have my skin chamber tapes! serial killer porn-metal. i loved those guys. i must have had 20 controlled bleeding CDs at one time. now i probably have around three.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

IIRC one of them was an English teacher at a high school somewhere. Must have been some interesting classes.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

last 20 minutes of My Bloody Valentine concerts that year

― sexyDancer, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

At a coed Catholic school at that.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

paul lemos put together those dry lungs comps on placebo too. that's the 80's though. they were cool.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

Of his noise work, such as Bladder Bags and Interludes, Lemos says bluntly, "I wouldn't call it music. It's really easy to do. If that's what i wanted to do, I would manufacture one of those every two days." Of his noise processing, Lemos lets on, "All that was done was we went into a rehearsal studio, closed the doors, brought a cassette deck in with a couple of mics, and had the cassette deck saturating everything. So, it's really the cassette deck that is creating the sound. For people who don't do this music, that listen to these supposed 'noise' bands, they have no concept of how simple it is. It's really just a con game."

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

he's right about it being simple to make noise. it's much harder to make noise that someone would want to listen to more than once.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

suckdog & costes

costes always way underrated. search lung farts.

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Public Bath were a damn fine resource for weird Japanese shit. Had this Captain Condoms 45 on PB that I loved the hell out of. Terrible, obvious, fake Boredoms post-grunge RAWK, but "Great Captain" still gets me. The Machine Gun TV? Or was that later on? Keiji Haino.

Also, both Peter and Kaspar Brotzmann, leading into all kinds of Tuetonic "jazz" bludgeon.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

subgenres:

straight up noise - borbetomagus, hanatarash
noise rock - cows, cop shoot cop, unsane
psych noise - skullflower, liquorball, pain teens
drone - earth, total
weird / lo-fi - suckdog & costes, caroliner, jandek

and all sortsa spillage everywhere

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

jesus lizard should get thrown in w/the am rep crowd.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

always thought Caspar Brotzmann's Massaker was way underrated, too. he/they did some great stuff.

anybody remember space streakings?

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

smegma, crash worship

― chaki, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

ugly american interviews from that time period

#5 - 1990
Cop Shoot Cop, Peach Of Immortality, Dustdevils, Lubricated Goat

#666 - 1991
Monster Magnet, Skullflower, Morbid Angel, Pain Teens, Upsidedown Cross

#7 - 1992
Monster Magnet tour diary, Liquorball, Bewitched, Lithium X-mas, Caroliner

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

seconded: earth, jandek

add to genres:

goth/industrial noise - controlled bleeding/lemos, skinny puppy, sleep chamber, lustmord

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

missing foundation. sink manhattan.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

Was skin graft active yet?

― JW, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

re: skin graft, I think so, weren't they putting out shitty drunks with guns singles at that point?

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

Skin Graft started releasing records late 1991.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

lotsa people picking up where swans left off.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

Some of the first SG 45's were coming out in '91 (or so). Dazzling Killmen, UFO or Die, etc. Damn, I was so into those things. What a cunning ruse...

Collectibility + willful obscurantism + COMIC BOOKS = nerd crack.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

hanson wasn't around in 91 yet either.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

was bulb around by then. maybe not.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

lotsa great stuff!

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

haha missing foundation, you couldn't walk a block in manhattan without seeing their stupid "the party's over" graffitti... man those guys were irritating.

circle x made a comeback around that time, too.

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

UFO or Die otm (first releases in 88?)
Hanadensha
Naked City

― JW, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

my bad, not drunks w/ guns, strangulated beatoffs. there was a space streakings single on skin graft.

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't notice Bulb until 2000, through Quintron's Satan Is Dead LP. Hanson at about the same time. Both had been active for quite a while, but not (I think) as far back as '91.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

bulb was definitely putting stuff out in the 90's, but probably not as early as 91. probably mid-90's. i own a computer. i could check i suppose.

― scott seward, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

I think both ex-DWG camps were putting out stuff in '91. Mike Doskocil with teh horribly-named (but still kinda entertaining and very Drunks-like Bullets for Pussy), Stan Seitrich & Mike DeLeon with their teenage-girl-led version of the band.

― Pye Poudre, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

teenage? more like 10 year old...

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.drunkswithguns.com/

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

The Drunks are currently looking for new musicians to embark on a new era mayhem. If you live in the Columbus, Ohio area and are interested please contact Mike Doskocil at the e-mail address above.

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

RRRecords were doing vocokesh and masonna lps at the time too

― Edward III, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 79 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

i was all of 6 in 1991, but in honor of this thread i am watching the "X WAY VISION"video comp that drag city put out, all recorded in dunedin in late 91. Gate, Peter Jeffries, Galbraith, Dead C, Heazlewood, etc. Fun stuff.

― ian, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Clarification: the free jazzes do not always = to the noise. But sometimes. Neighboring universe?

Some KK Null around prior to Zeni Geva. ANP and YBO2. Plus occasional mentions of solo stuff. Just about impossible to come by tho.

Super yes to Pork Queen and Noggin. The old days. Sigh...

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

I got the X Way Vision VHS at Vintage Vinyl in NJ some point during college. In typical Xpressway fashion, the whole think looks like it was shot with a broken security camera!

― dan selzer, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

link Bad Vugum http://www.badvugum.com/bv/ /link

― Soukesian, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

aw shit . . anyway, you can still get a lot of that stuff. I owe this informartion to the fact my brother wound up living in Radiopulimelimet's home town. I think they still perform live.

― Soukesian, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

i thought noise was gonna take over th world in 1991..but it waited.Here is my brother and me gettin noise in 1991..uhh thats skot on vocals and me on guitar.
http://media.odeo.com/5/1/3/peril_popper.mp3

― danbunny, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

SKOTFANSONLY

― danbunny, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

Point is, it's pretty noisy stuff for the way we tend to view Goo as almost like a Pop album.

it is a pop album ffs. who is this royal we? u got assburgers?

you start out saying "It is funny how no one really mentions Sonic Youth or Pussy Galore etc, like that was really pretty much POP MUSIC by then."

FUNNY HOW PPL ON NOISE THREAD THINK GOO IS POP

IF THREAD WERE CALLED In 1991, if you were really into genteel indie rock, what albums did you have? THERE WOULD BE MORE SYMPATHY TO YR VIEWS

― Edward III, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

SORRY NEED TO CUT BACK ON CAFFEINE

― Edward III, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

Dunno if it was the noise genre, but I expect "Loveless" would be a natural choice.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

don't forget KFMDM

― Edward III, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

When I think of the genre called noise, I think of all the insane shit inside the "noise box" underneath the counter in the Cambridge In Your Ear. Here, I'm talking about cassettes covered in fur or tin foil or who-knows-what. posts by drew daniels and jack battery-pack are headed in that direction (bananafish + post-industrial weirdness). i wouldn't consider a huge chunk of the stuff mentioned here noise though. sure, the word has a wide range of meanings, but there is also a fairly specific genre classification as well. not even back in the day, would i ever consider jesus lizard or cows or pussy galore or even dead c Noise. Ther were the outer fringes of underground rock. Hell, the noise dudes were the REAL freaks listening to total fuckin distortion and screaming freedback and some post-free jazz freakery (but NOT Weasel Walter).

If the original poster is looking for jams, then let me second H.N.A.S and stuff on the Dom label.

― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

ther =they sorry

― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but Dead C were in Bananafish. And there was a whole abstract free improv thing in NZ that came slightly later (Bruce Russell himself in A Handful of Dust). I do suppose that "noise" did generally connote harsher stuff coming more out of industrial music, though.

― Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

who is this royal we? u got assburgers?

I don't understand this (joke?) but I am indeed sorry for saying "we" in any sort of manner which would indicate that I in any way speak for the diverse number of people who post here.

Otherwise I would say yes, ease up on the caffeine, the caps and the KMFDM while you're at it.

― Saxby D. Elder, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

like KMFDM

― Edward III, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Suppose it's important to distinguish between troo kvlt grymm noise and poser pop noise. That said, I tend to side with the poser pop stuff in almost every category of music I listen to, and that's probably reflected here.

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

great point. and i didn't mean to imply that Bananafish was exclusively noise. it totally covered the outer fringes of underground rock and pop.

and you also bring up another good point. i think a distinction can be made between abstract, free improv and Noise. the former has firm roots in free jazz. whereas, like you say, Noise is aligned a bit more closely with industrial (But NOT that Chicago dance stuff).

― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

x-post to tim

― QuantumNoise, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

CIRCLE X

(I think)

― David R., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

around 1993 we started putting rabid squirrels in a corrugated metal box and leave them to die in the hallway. but even that started to sound like nirvana after a while.

― Edward III, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

I think that first new Circle X single where they did a little version of "Puerto Rican Ghost" was '92?

― Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Godflesh - Streetcleaner

did Slug have any albums out in 1991?

― mcphee, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, first couple Slug 45s are c. '91.

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

ha ha, now you remind me of a show I saw at the Haze Theatre with a killer lineup, must have been 92 or so:

ZENI GEVA
SLEEP
CRASH WORSHIP
SLUG
AMBER ASYLUM

― Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

man, how do you follow Crash Worship on a bill?

― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:16 (eighteen years ago)

with a mop.

― dan selzer, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

Huh, were Amber Asylum different back then? Seems an odd band to end the night with. I suppose concerts like that are all about being odd.

― Øystein, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

... and a fire extinguisher, and a 50-gallon drum of Febreeze, and a no-trespass warrant, and some tongs for the stray dreadlock fragments, and ...

― Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

There were two big rooms, and the night tag-teamed back and forth- also that was in no particular order- Crash Worship headlined in one room and I think Sleep headlined the other. Can't recall if it was Zeni Geva or KK Null solo actually, it was a while ago. Anyway, it was a killer show, and a kind of cool handshake between industrial / noise / ambient / metal / heavy rock fans . . . .

― Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Crash Worship was really carrying the torch there for a while. I saw them at the X-Ray in Portland in maybe '91 but possibly '92 and it was one of the greatest things ever.

HNAS, Hanatarash, Masonna, Acrid Acme Of P16D4 CD, SBOTHI all seconded, great stuff.

― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

Not to deviate too much, but are there any general differences you guys find in noise (the genre) now, and noise then?

― filthy dylan, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 01:18 (eighteen years ago)

girls.

― dan selzer, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 01:29 (eighteen years ago)

kidding, a little bit. I know there's always been plenty of women involved and even fans...but the ratio has really changed over the last few years.

― dan selzer, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 01:30 (eighteen years ago)

I agree with Dan, that's a good point. Also there's a level of internet-fueled networking that results in lots of local festivals and such, much more cross-pollination than before. There are a LOT of noise people in Eugene right now for whatever reason, 3 radio shows of full on assault-scale shriek, a yearly festival, and like 20 "bands" that are all one person. And a couple of women in the mix, which sadly is still a higher ratio than 1991.

― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:11 (eighteen years ago)

Crash Worship was really carrying the torch there for a while.

The torch for ugly shamanic inanities?

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:22 (eighteen years ago)

aw man, I'll grant you your opinion but it does not add up with my experience of the band at all.

― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:26 (eighteen years ago)

laptops and less of a performance aspect nowadays.

― chaki, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

lots of women in SF -- the bi-weekly Godwaffle Noize Pancakes shows in SF have five acts a show, and for a while there it was close to 33%-50% female. that's not even counting the all-female series at 3957 sanleandro and the Women Take Back The Noise festival from last december -- it makes even more of an impact @ Godwaffle because it's not supposed to be a spotlight-on-girlz thing. 16 Bitch Pileup are cool but they're really just one of many good bands, a lot of people are wondering why they're getting treated like the Go-go's

the main thing (already widely noted but hard to argue with) is that noise has gone rock -- same sounds & industrial / academic electronic roots & sounds, but... rock. I remember finally getting myself to a wolf eyes show a few years ago and waiting & listening for them to do something different enough to deserve the buzz -- when the grungy vocals & beats kicked in, suddenly the mosh pit started -- the difference was in the attitude of the band & the crowd more than the sounds, which on record struck me as flat-out retro -- and it was only at that moment that it occured to me that the show was at an Oakland biker bar instead of 7Hz or the Compound or somebody's SF loft (most of the noise has been going on in Oakland)

JW would be right to repost 'old people fuck off' at this point as this might be too obvious but that's my attempt to answer it as a mid-thirties type, I see why Wolf Eyes are connecting but Esplendor Geometrico's 1980-1982 CD still fucking trumps all 900 of their CDRs, signed, grampa

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:44 (eighteen years ago)

milton, you should hear the new Prurient album on Hanson. Straight-up old school noize. no rock allowed. i dig it. and i really did dig that row your boat thing on that channel 53 site!!! i left it playing for a while on my computer. sounded really cool.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)

in case you missed it:

http://www.gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle.com/bongodrums.html

― scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 04:53 (eighteen years ago)

Not to deviate too much, but are there any general differences you guys find in noise (the genre) now, and noise then?

I was gonna say there's nothing new under the sun until Scott proved me wrong with the browser Stockhausen hijinks.

― Edward III, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: Milton on Wolf Eyes: "the difference was in the attitude of the band & the crowd more than the sounds" Absolutely OTM: I saw a few industrial acts back in the early eighties, and seeing WE last year, I was struck firstly by the fact that they were as precisely retro sounding as any rockabilly act, and secondly by the rock'n'roll attitude of both the audience and the band - down to the traditional hardcore mike held at right angle to mouth stance. Don't get me wrong, I loved it - back in the 80's, we were all relatively introverted and nervous.

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

Agree w/ Souk and Milton on the noise gone rock. Not so much in terms of how it sounds (though Wolf Eyes really do "rock out" every now and then in ways that aren't totally retro w/in the genre - "Let the Smoke Rise", "Noise Not Music", etc.), but in terms of presentation and audience response. It's not a bad thing, either. Strips their shows of the grody, "cerebral", avant-art baggage, and repels the dweebs who get off on that vibe.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

Seeing early Napalm Death and Carcass tours, I had the reverse sensation of 'this is rock gone noise': the sound was more extreme than most contemporary industrial stuff - the Carcass slideshow put the presentation well over the edge as well!

The early industrial shows I saw were VERY serious - you almost felt you weren't meant to be enjoying it.

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

One notable omission: Boy Dirt Car.

― libcrypt, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

But what if you ARE a dweeb who likes cerebral avant art baggage? What then?

― Drew Daniel, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

Get a laptop!

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: No matter what, you'll always have turtlenecks.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

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