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what was the last thing you heard which you surprised yourself by HATING?

chaki, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

double nickles on the dime is finaly getting on my nerves.

chaki, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Even though I don't HATE all of the album, I was surprised by the level of disappointment I felt for the new Boards of Canada.

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just listened to Sleater-Kinney again for the first time in ages and WOW her voice is really annoying.

adam, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh me too! theres like 3 good tracks.

chaki, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Walkmen's debut album, EVERYONE WHO PRETENDED TO LIKE ME IS GONE. The Walkmen are comprised of a hanful of ex-members of once-upon-a-time-celebrated NYC band, Jonathan Fire*Eater

I'm not sayin' "THEY SUCK" or anything (as, were I to assert this opinion, there'd be absolutely no gray area involved wherein I might allow the reader to misinterpret my ire) and I applaud their inventive sound (specifically the echoey, upright piano shtick), but that Hamilton Leithauser's (nice name) vocals really ain't my bag, man. I'm having an exceptionally hard time finding a way to enjoy the band while tuning out his whiney, lethargic presence. Someone needs to zap that guy in the ass with a tazer or something. He's gonna electrocute himself if he keeps slurring all over that microphone.

While I dug WOLF SONGS FOR LAMBS, I remember seeing Jonathan Fire* Eater open for Luscious Jackson (whose idea was that?) at the Roxy and not being especially blown away either. So far, unless the Walkmen were change my impression radically onstage (I'm seeing them open up for the woefully superior Firewater at the end of the month), I can't envision revisiting this disc too often. I know they're not aiming to be mistaken for Slayer, but I'd prefer a bit more "oomph," y'know? If rock were architecture, this band would be a tattered lean-to made of dry, brittle plywood and cheese-cloth; not especially sturdy nor substantial, and easily blown over in a strong wind. There are fleeting moments of promise when tracks like, say, "Rue the Day" get off the ground -- but it's a short flight grounded by Leithauser's wobbly howl.

If you haven't the stomach for the Strokes' arguable foibles, I do hope you won't be snowed by this lot's brand of -- sorry, this is my only mine own pig-headed opinion, now -- rather precious dilettante rock.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whuttt??? The new Boards of Canada is luscious! I pretty much hated the newest Richard Devine album, though, and I really didn't want to.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a couple songs off the newest Spiritualized cd. (not really hate, but dislike)

A Nairn, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex is a douchebag. The Walkmen album rocks. They're gonna fuck a new asshole into Firewater. Those drug-addled losers don't stand a chance and neither does Alex.

redman, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, can we downgrade to disappointment? Because the new Lambchop... I dunno... nice n'all, but...
It may yet grow on me. Perhaps not though.

Hate. I shall ponder hate...

DavidM, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On the severe disappointment front -- Clinic's Walking With Thee.

Yancey, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i cant get into the streets

chaki, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clarke- I've had so many discussions defending my criticism of the new BOC that I'm exhausted by it now! However, here are my basic points: It sounds almost exactly like MHTRTC- 1)No progression at all. It's not a step forward or even a step to the side. It's a big step back. They didn't improve on anything or even attempt to introduce new sounds. 2) For the most part, once the beat and the melody of a song on Geogaddi start up, there's little to no variation. It stays the same through the whole song and gets boring/tedious to listen to. Even my favorite tracks (Dawn Chorus, Julie and Candy, Alpha and Omega) suffer from this lack of variation). 3) What is the deal with the cheesy vocal samples in, say, 1969 that repeat over and over again and get irritating?!! 4) Someone directed me to a website (http://www.speakeasy.org/~adbrown/boc.html) that explains all the "hidden messages" and what not. This increased my annoyance with the album because, while it's cool that BOC tried to supply their music with some significance, barely anyone is going to know about all this crap. If I didn't find this website, I'd have no idea, so their quirky little messages will surely be lost on the majority of their listeners! 5) It sounds EXACTLY like MHTRTC!! The sound palette is identical. Even the structure of the album- shorter songs mixed in with longer ones- resembles that of MHTRTC, as does the fascination with children, which is starting to get old. Overall, I think Geogaddi is mediocre in every way.

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Alex is a douchebag. The Walkmen album rocks. They're gonna fuck a new asshole into Firewater. Those drug-addled losers don't stand a chance and neither does Alex."

It's a concert, not a wrestling match.

Awfully snippy for someone named "Reggie."

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah that clinic album is a bit boring...

g, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and the Walkmen album may do many things, but "rock" ain't one of'em!

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Clinic album suffers from the same problem as the new BOC, only it took BOC 3 years to make an album that sounded exactly like its predecessor, while it only took Clinic one!
Also, there's some slight changes in Walking With Thee compared to Internal Wrangler. The shorter, louder songs from I.W. are gone. That's about it though- Ade Blackburn even sings exactly the same (No no no no no no) and the instrumentation on some songs from both albums is identical. I could pick out specific examples but I'm too lazy.

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've posted this before, but here are my thoughts on Walking With Thee:

http://www.neumu.com/fortyfour/2002/2002-00052/2002- 00052_fortyfour.shtml

Yancey, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lou, I really don't see how you can defend your belief that Geogaddi sounds the same as MHTRTC! I've heard other people say this, but seriously - one of the first things that struck me was how different it is. It's far more dense and aggressive (well, "dense" and "aggressive" being relative terms for BoC) than MHTRTC. You dis' them for not introducing new sounds, then you directly attack them for using vocal samples in some of their songs! Make up your mind! You say: "For the most part, once the beat and the melody of a song on Geogaddi start up, there's little to no variation..." - and how is this any different from MHTRTC? Again, why bring this up as a point against Geogaddi when it's one of the things that album shares with MHTRTC? And what do you mean by "big step back"?

Clarke B., Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wonder if someone who heard Walking With Thee before Internal Wrangler would like the former better if only because it wouldn't seem like a blatant repetition.

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I wonder if someone who heard Walking With Thee before Internal Wrangler would like the former better if only because it wouldn't seem like a blatant repetition."

I wouldn't. Clinic have gotten more boring with time. The early singles were great. The singles collection was great. Internal Wrangler was good and Walking With Thee is dull. It's not that they are repeating themselves neccessarily, it's that they are taming their sound on each release.

Yancey, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clarke- Vocal samples aren't new for BOC (see Aquarius, The Color of the Fire, A Beautiful Place out in the Country).

and how is this any different from MHTRTC?
It's not! That's part of the problem. MHTRTC does share that same characteristic and it's a definite weakness of both albums in my eyes.

You're right- Geogaddi's tone is not as light and gentle as MHTRTC, but that hardly qualifies as a significant change that overshadows all the other blatant similarities.
By a big step back, I meant that, chronologically, you'd think Geogaddi would have come out before MHTRTC. It sounds like it was made in the early 90's. Not that all electronic music has to sound like it uses the newest technology, but, in a way, Geogaddi already sounds outdated! ;)

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just dug out a bunch of old cassettes of mine and put on Al Kooper /Stephen Stills Super Session... whooooooooeeee that's bad.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lou, I really don't see how you can defend your belief that Geogaddi sounds the same as MHTRTC!

This reminds me of the long-running squabble I've had with people over Spiritualized. Many others: "They keep changing with every album!" Me: "It's the same album with different arrangements!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the BOC album is duff but I kind of guessed I would think that.

The most recent thing for me then is All Is Dream which after multiple tries I still can't enjoy, and it's gone back through time and ruined Mercury Rev's last album for me, too. It's a bit sad because for a good 3 or 4 years M.Rev were my favourite rock band and now - eh.

Tom, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i didn't hate it, but i was surprised by how much i disliked the new herbalizer.

and as for boc i don't see how anyone in the world could dislike geogaddi. who cares if elements are similar to mhtrtc, they're simplying refining ideas what worked on previous tracks. i don't feel it was all that close anyhow.

dyson, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha i can't stop laffing at tracer and his old tapes shenanigans

mark s, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What am I saying it's not sad at all, the bad has been exposed as bad and life goes on.

Re BOC - I'm sure I would dislike MHTRTC just as much.

Tom, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I find myself hating each subsequent Trembling Blue Stars release more and more, mainly because of Bob Wratten's voice. Which is odd because I still can't get enough of the Field Mice retrospective or the first TBS album..

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

chronologically, you'd think Geogaddi would have come out before MHTRTC

Actually, the BoC guys said in an interview that this was exactly the effect they were going for. I personally don't have a problem with the consistency of the material (within and between albums and tracks). It's like watching clouds, and looking up 4 years after 98, you're comforted to see the sky is still there but the color has changed slightly.

As for the original thread question, I expected to like The Streets more than I have been although I certainly don't hate it.

Honda, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and as for boc i don't see how anyone in the world could dislike geogaddi. who cares if elements are similar to mhtrtc, they're simplying refining ideas what worked on previous tracks. i don't feel it was all that close anyhow.

Well, it's an exaggeration for me to say Geogaddi sounds EXACTLY like MHTRTC, but they definitely share one too many similarities for me to accept Geogaddi as a decent album. If I felt like they were refining ideas from MHTRTC, that would be one thing- I wouldn't be so critical. But I think Geogaddi is a regression- I don't think anything on Geogaddi comes close to what they achieved on MHTRTC.
It's also a blatant exaggeration, I think, to say you can't understand how ANYONE could dislike Geogaddi (or to say that about any album for that matter).

lou, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Hives. Don't even know why.

dave q, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If I say anything Ned's not gonna talk to me ever again. So I'm just gonna shut up. ;)

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The last PJ Harvey album. A bit lightweight. Deadly predictable. A little smug (although Beautiful Feeling is lovely).

Barnaby, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cluster

bob snoom, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, obviously i was exaggerating when i said i don't see how anyone could dislike geogaddi. i don't expect black metal or boy group fans to really get much out of the album. i have a problem with overstating things sometimes.

dyson, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If I say anything Ned's not gonna talk to me ever again. So I'm just gonna shut up. ;)

ASTOUNDING! ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just threw in this Derek Bailey/Kaoru Abe/Toshinori Kondo/Motoharu Yoshizawa record I bought a while back - AIDA'S CALL - and I couldn't finish it. It was godawful stuff that sounds like whale calls - and that is coming from somebody who's used to defending avant/free/experimental from the cries of those who compare it to whale calls.

doug, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ah, i too hated "all is dream" until i listened to while reading susan cooper's "dark is rising" sequence which is what the first track is based off. suddenly, somehow the album lifted and after four or five months of screaming DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU! at the bloody thing i think it absolutely amazing. still can't get the whole 'thing' about "deserters songs" though...

chris browning, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i broke down and got a hives album after reading all the really positive reviews, but i couldn't get into it. i wasn't really disappointed with it--just indifferent. but all is well -- i sold it back to a store for MORE THAN I PAID FOR IT! thanks, hivesmania!

geeta, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...
I can't bring myself to listen to "Drukqs" again because I know that for 2 hours I will be willing it to stop.

Nick, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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