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I remember that when 'Nevermind' came out that grungebloke from Melody Maker said he thought it had the best three songs to start an album since 'Setting Sons'.

Which album do you rate as having a great impact over the first few songs ? - if the songs had been in a different order would it have worked ?

Does the album tail off rapidly afterward?

Geordie Racer, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'll go classic here:

Personality Crisis - Looking For A Kiss - Vietnamese Baby. Actually, "PC" alone has enough impact to racedrive the full record by itself, truth be told. Since as we all know and agree it is the best song ever written ;)

Simon, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'll go classic as well: "Down On the Street" into "Loose" into "TV Eye" into "Dirt" on the immaculate FUNHOUSE album by the Stooges.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The middle section of "summer days and summer nights" is great...Girl Don't Tell Me, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Let Him Run Wild and You're So Good To Me.

jel, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'd say just about every great album starts great, those first few songs being so important. "Loveless" is a good example of an album starting well, & the weakest tunes are wisely tucked away at the end (tho even the weakest are still pretty great on that one.) NMH's In The Aeroplane Over The Sea also starts out amazing, as does Boredoms' Super Are.

I also like the more theatrial way of beginning an album, where you don't neccesarily have to start w/ a bang, but build slow into the big moment. Here I'm thinking of Nation of Millions, starting out w/ that loud air-raid siren bit before "Bring The Noise," great way to build tension. Also "For All The Girls--->Shake Your Rump" on Paul's Boutique.

Mark Richardson, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Actually, "PC" alone has enough impact to racedrive the full record by itself, truth be told. Since as we all know and agree it is the best song ever written ;)

I must listen to that album (and Funhouse, oddly enough) at least three or four times a week, and I always skip over "Personality Crisis".

I've always thought that the first three tracks to Philophobia by Arab Strap was perfectly sequenced. I don't necessarily think the rest of the album tails off afterwards, but I usually do only listen to sides 1, 3 and 4 when I play it.

Vic Funk, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have to echo Mark's choice of PAUL'S BOUTIQUE by the Beastie Boys...there's such a cohesive blend of sounds that runs through that entire album...making it one big piece of music, rather than a pastiche of individual tunes.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Rusty, by Rodan. Biblesilverchanges goes all sweet and lovely, guitar interplay not seen since The Velvets' What Goes On. Then BAM! Shiner, a metal-punk blast with lyrics tumbling out and an angst singalong anthem chorus "Pop! Pop! Shoot me out of the sky!" and then all building to the truly epic and majestic "Everyday World Of Bodies". Alternately, "The Who Sell Out" from the fanfare of Armenia to a Heinz Baked Beans Ad to the lush and just slightly dirty "Mary Anne With The Shaky Hand". Also, the first four tracks of "Dig Me Out" by Sleater-Kinney are perfect in just about any order.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Nevermind had an interesting order, but I don't think it was the best I have ever heard. The song order on almost ANY Rush album I find intriuging. The song order on any Pink Floyd cd as well seeing that they were the most album- oriented band in the history of rock. Additionally,Van Halen's 1984 had a good lineup.

Luptune Pitman, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

-->Dr Funk

How odd. To me "PC" naturally seems, and even feels, like the fifth wheel of the "Brown Sugar"/"Kick Out the Jams"/"Search and Destroy"/"Panic in Detroit" rockunroll dragster.

One of these great, cool-defining, perfectly filthy and indecently groovy opening riffs. My favourite song to dance to, also. Yeah. Rock on.

Simon, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

the first few songs on rancid's '...and out come the wolves' maybe just because its such a poppy album, but they really do the trick. especially the transition from the 11th hour and roots radicals. ok im a big dork.

jah'sh, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hmmm. Not sure I agree about 'Setting Sons' - "Girl On The Phone" is a relatively weak kick-off track. It's a good question though. I guess 'Marquee Moon's ' opening trio are killers ("See No Evil"/"Venus"/"Friction"), but then again the whole album is fantastic from beginning to end.

More recently - I can't think of a better opening than Spiritualized's "Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space"/"Come Together"/"I think I'm In Love". It tails off after that, but only a little.

However the best of all time is : Magazine "Definitive Gaze"/"My Tulpa"/"Shot By Both Sides" from "Real Life"

Dr. C, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Candy Says, What Goes On, Some Kinda Love, Pale Blue Eyes from the velvet undergound's third record.

matthew stevens, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like it when the first track of an album feels like "whoa look out, there's something really awesome coming up !". Great example : "Thank You For Sending Me An Angel" off Talking Heads' More Songs About Buildings And Food.

One of the worst sequencing jobs I've ever heard is on Wyclef Jean's The Ecleftic, where somebody had the bright idea of putting the worst 4 songs next to each other right at the beginning. It's the only album I can think of that fails the 3-Song Test (3-Song Test : if nothing grabs you in the first 3 songs, no need to listen any further) and still manages to be decent overall.

Patrick, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Forever", "I Wish I Had Duck Feet", "Sad But True". This is one of the most perfect beginning sequences to an album ever. (Actually, it kind of carries straight through the album. You can't really imagine "Science Friction" appearing after "Are We Here?", for example.)

Dan Perry, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I still think the first four tracks on The Avalanches' "Since I Left You" would be almost impossible to better.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

the first four songs on hefner's 'breaking god's heart' are great. also the first six songs on gorky's 'barafundle' i find to be pretty otherworldly and wonderful. the sequencing on the new modesty blaise sets the perfect pace for that record which is pretty darn great, what the boo radleys missed out when they recorded 'kingsize'. i think i am the only one who thinks nevermind is crap.

keith, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

no you're not.

ethan, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

While we're at it, I must admit I am getting more ashamed every year to realize I still have never heard the whole of "Nevermind". Yet there is absolutely nothing that makes me want to borrow my sister's copy and play the damn thing.

Dave Grohl, Monday, 9 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Keith - you hit on the classic example! "Barafundle"! I absolutely agree that the first 6 tracks ("Diamond Dew" to "Heywood Lane") are great, and then while the rest is very good somehow the impact is less. When I first got this album it took me about two weeks to get past track 3 ("Starmoonsun") - I just had to hear them again and again.

At risk of turning this into a Gorky's thread - does anyone have any thoughts on the last two albums "Spanish Dance Troupe" and "Blue Trees". I have the disappointing "Gorky 5" and then sort of gave up. "Barafundle" is fucking genius anyway.

Dr. C, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like albums which mix stuff up a bit at the start.

"Discovery" has an astonishing opening sequence in this vein: five or so excellent tracks, all different and all somehow making danceable sense.

For a long time my favourite opening sequence was "Trompe Le Monde" up to but not including "Head On".

It's very hard to think of a non-compilation that flares into life after Track 3 or so. Easier to think of ones that peter out - Lambchop's Nixon, for instance.

The Wu-Tang Clan's last album feels well-sequenced - can't quite put my finger on why but it feels right to have Gravel Pit at the end and Chamber Music and Careful (Click Click) up front.

Tom, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Dr C. To answer your GZM question, 'Spanish Dance Troupe' was my favourite album of 1999. Also, it ends with one of the best guitar solos ever. 'The Blue Trees' is a lower key affair, but very beautiful. But then I've got no idea what you're talking about when you say 'Gorky 5' was disappointing. A band who have matured in the best possible way. I get quite wound up about people underrating them.

Nick, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The first four songs on Primal Scream - XTRMNTR are fantastic...the rest is merely ok.

fernando, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Lodger" has one of the most unbalanced track sequences ever. An 'OK' opener ("Fantastic Voyage") followed by three bizarre clunkers ("African Night Flight"/"Move On"/"Yassasin"). Then....well, it suddenly becomes amazing with "Red Sails"/"DJ"/"Look Back in Anger"/"Boys Keep Swinging" and "Repetition".

Dr. C, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Opening sequence to "Discovery" indeed fantastic.

First six tracks of Ultramarine's "United Kingdoms"; close to perfection. Shame it gets a little soporific and jazz-fusion thereafter.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

blue trees was my favourite record from last year and well spanish dance troupe is perfect as well being easily the most straightforward record of theirs. i like '5' icyness, it is wonderful and it came in useful that it had a track called catrin and i had a girlfriend named katrin, unfortunately it was a welsh one. apparently, from reading their website, the new record is done and has one song called 'christina' that is recorded on 60 tracks so i think perhaps the low key days are over???? amazing that this will be their 6th official record along with two comps and a mini-record and their average age must be something close to 25. has anyone heard infinity chimps? it sits here at the record store but i am too frightened to purchase it fearing it will be the equivalent of my refrigerator humming even though john lawrence wrote many of my fave gorky's songs including 'starmoonsun'.

keith, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Don't you guys like 'Pen gwag glas' the 7th track off Barafundle? It's one of my favourite tracks. Although admittedly it doesn't have the same sound...

Audrey, Wednesday, 11 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
i'll go classic and say 'deserter's songs' opening 3 is the best example of sequencing ever ever ever bar none, while the first 'side' of 'discovery' is an affirmation of everything great about 'side one' of records.

piscesboy, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I second Funhouse, Discovery.

J Blount, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can a really good opening inhibit an album, though? In my friend- group, nobody really listened to the absolutely ace end tracks off Massive Attack's Mezzanine because the first four tracks were, well, ace - "Angel" into "Risingson" into "Teardrop" into "Inertia Creeps" left one feeling utterly drained, and initial suspicion of "Exchange" meant that nobody really bothered listening to the rest of the album.

Ess Kay, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

exchange is my favorite song on mezannine. i love how 'all hands on the bad one' starts. "eye cream and thigh cream, how 'bout a get high cream?!?!" and i'm ready to go. both low end theory and midnight marauders get off to fantastic starts. i would have cut the phife song on MM for later on in the album though. amnesiac. in utero. a love supreme. herbie hancock 'maiden voyage'. acetone 'cindy'. last splash. daily operation??

Ron, Thursday, 16 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Discovery, easily (for me at least). From "One More Time" through "Crescendolls" it is five tracks of nonstop greatness. "Nightvision" is good, too, but it's too severe a style shift, and I hate the hell out of "Superheroes" (thanks to that "up in the air" sample which gives me nightmares, seriously).

And... ah, what the hell. Mellow Gold. "Loser" through "Truck Drivin' Neighbors Downstairs". There, I said it, and I'm proud of it.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

best album song order > shuffle

cuba libre (nathalie), Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Agree with Tom - Trompe Le Monde. Trompe Le Monde, Planet of Sound, Alec Eiffel...top.

dan, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

five years pass...

hahah helmet's 'betty'

first four tracks - 'wilma's rainbow', 'i know', 'biscuits for smut', 'milquetoast'. classique

thereafter, the album veers off into uber trite territory

'ride the lightning' - first 4 tunes are killer, awesome sequencing

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 15 November 2007 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ride the Lightning slays all the way through. I'd argue the first two tracks are the weakest, actually.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 15 November 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The Who Sell Out. The concept is the sequencing, the sequencing is the concept, and there is nary a weak spot on the record.

Sara Sara Sara, Thursday, 15 November 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The A Frames debut album slays me every time when the opener, "Hostage Crisis", the most gnarled four-chord song ever, segues into "Calculate" with the incredible bouncy bassline. And as the disc moves along as you think you've got them pegged them as harsh noise-punkers, they drop the dreamy JAMC-like ode to surveillance cameras.

bendy, Thursday, 15 November 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

OK Computer, except "No Surprises" sounds way too much like an album closer.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

This subject comes up concerning debut albums sometimes and I think it would be pretty hard to start your LP recording career much better than with "Purple Haze", "Manic Depression" and "Hey Joe."

ellaguru, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

While we're at it, I must admit I am getting more ashamed every year to realize I still have never heard the whole of "Nevermind". Yet there is absolutely nothing that makes me want to borrow my sister's copy and play the damn thing.

-- Dave Grohl, Sunday, April 8, 2001 8:00 PM

O_O

talrose, Thursday, 15 November 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

woah what a strange revive here.

i guess that i don't really think of albums in that way.

the table is the table, Thursday, 15 November 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link


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