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― deej, Saturday, 3 March 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Premier still on a roll
Rakim still sounds incredible
kanye's verse is utterly forgettable
Nas's verse is eh so so
KRS sounds pretty good!

― deej, Saturday, 3 March 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

KRS actually sounds kind of generic but i was getting ready to hate his verse

― deej, Saturday, 3 March 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

Really if this was just a Rakim song over this beat I wouldn't be mad at all

― deej, Saturday, 3 March 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

I actually like (prepares for sonning) Kanye's verse best. Nas' & Rakim's are pretty good, too. KRS' verse bugs me shitless. I like the part of the vid w/ Prem putting the beat together. The beat really isn't anything special, though. It sounds just like most of the beats on The Ownerz. The problem with this is it sets my backpacker guilt into hyper-drive, so half of me wants to instictually hate it.

― The Reverend, Saturday, 3 March 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

Goddamn I wish I wasn't at work so I could hear this.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 3 March 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Agreeing with Deej on this one.

― forksclovetofu, Saturday, 3 March 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

krs-one really needs to stop saying shit like "the difference between mcin and rappin"

― max, Saturday, 3 March 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

but deej otm--rakim owns this track in a way that the other three can't match

man if i was still in HS i would have creamed over this shit

― max, Saturday, 3 March 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

krs' verse starts out good w/ the part about who owns criminal minded etc. but starts getting shitty with 'instead of smoking trees, more local MCs!' and the stuff about the difference between rappers and MCs like he's a 15 year old who just discovered a message board

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 05:09 (eighteen years ago)

haha just heard it for the first time and deej largely otm

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

I kinda like the "I don't need 'em/I got your respect" line -- good delivery.

Otherwise yeah, Rakim is the best one on the track. Kanye and Nas sound like they just don't want to use up any of their better rhymes.

The part where the beat drops out under Rakim actually gave me a little chill, because he really does look and sound aged when he says "age don't count in the booth/when your flow stays submerged in the fountain of youth" which gives the line this awesome shade of meaning.

― Hurting 2, Monday, 5 March 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

more like "dud"

― am0n, Monday, 5 March 2007 05:52 (eighteen years ago)

ZANG

― Hurting 2, Monday, 5 March 2007 05:54 (eighteen years ago)

i saw krs-one speak at my school a couple years ago and the guy is really just a 16-year-old rap snob. and what a weird set of artificial distinctions he continues to make! hip hop vs rap, mcing vs rapping, WTF kris.

― max, Monday, 5 March 2007 07:08 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know, I always get this weird twinge of doubt when I hear those kinds of criticisms coming from guys like KRS or Rakim. It's like Marx coming back from the dead and insisting that guys who call themselves Marxists aren't really Marxists.

Obviously there are massive holes in this analogy and feel free to mock me etc, just saying.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 07:16 (eighteen years ago)

KRS didn't invent rap; he was just pretty good at it.

― max, Monday, 5 March 2007 08:15 (eighteen years ago)

It's like Marx coming back from the dead and insisting that guys who call themselves Marxists aren't really Marxists.

If I remember correctly, Marx said "I'm not a marxist" while he was still alive.

But yeah, I agree with everyone that Rakim totally steals this show. He should do a full album with Primo.

― Tuomas, Monday, 5 March 2007 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

The funny thing is that Rakim is only a year older than, say, Jay-Z, and five years older than Nas. I still can't believe he was only 18 when Paid in Full came out.

― Tuomas, Monday, 5 March 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

I think you can criticize rap of today for many things, but this purity of genre argument is always a cop-out, even when coming from one of the supposed pioneers. It's like Derrick May complaining how Europeans turned his lovely vision into hedonistic drug music. When you put music out into the world, you have to accept the fact that it'll take a life of it's own from that point on.

― Tuomas, Monday, 5 March 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

over the weekend i happened to hear two all-star collab hip-hop tracks for the first time, this and the dj khaled/t.i./rick ross/birdman/lil wayne one. one of them sounded fresh and vital and completely fucking cool, and had a massive sonic BOOM of a beat which made me want to dance. the other was kind of bleh and whiny and the beat was boring.

― lex pretend, Monday, 5 March 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgLR4PwhZHA

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

lex i didnt know you were such a premier fan

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

Haha love Fat Joe on that track

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMhRtxjFY0k

i spoke w/ mc lyte on the phone the other day

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqEGZB9avo

^^First time I've heard this...its great!

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Tuomas OTM (!) re: Marx & genre 'purity.'

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

i remember that from last year, its dope

too bad babygrandes youtube profile only has 3 agallah videos & not all like gza and chief kamachi and lord jamar and shit

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

considering it was uploaded directly from their people you'd think the video would be sync'd better

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

lol purple city

i wish i had posted my much-planned g&w post about agallah, dude ghosted for some of the classic beats of the 90s

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

does the lex like that aguilera joint?

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

of course i do. i don't think i even hate this one too much but next to the dj khaled it...didn't exactly shine.

― lex pretend, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

your URL hyperlink list directs my browser to motion pictures which pertain to my interests!

― luriqua, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

krs hilton

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

Well yeah Lex but they're both going for two totally different things.

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

krs hilton

Flashing your crotch at photographers is something you do, racism is something you live.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i know i was just saying! i'm not sure if this premier beat works for what it's going for though

― lex pretend, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

lex doesnt know enough about south cats if he thinks they dont indulge in earnest 'classic'-style self canonization even more than new york rap

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Nice, I've never heard the 1,2 Pass It remix. KRS One in top form. Mad Lion with what may be hip-hops only Captain Caveman reference. Jeru closing out the track with the multi-level awfulness of "We bring more drama than Kevin Costner/No I'm not Jamaican, but yes I'm a Rasta"

― Hurting 2, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

I liked the original beat too though. Don't even know which I like better now.

― Hurting 2, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

T/S: Costner vs. TNT

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

The way Kanye starts his verse just has no energy. His flow next to Rakim's, yikes.

― mcddcm, Monday, 5 March 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeah putting Kanye in that context is really unflattering, beyond him being by far the youngest guy on the song he's just out of his league as a rapper. the beat is great, though!

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 5 March 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

[i]Flashing your crotch at photographers is something you do, racism is something you live[i/]

LOLZ

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 5 March 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Derrick May complaining how Europeans turned his lovely vision into hedonistic drug music

He did? That's great.

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 5 March 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

krs hilton

http://img.shopping.com/cctool/PrdImg/images/pr/177X150/00/77/54/74/88/2002023560.JPG

― am0n, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

sleeping with the enemy
http://images.zap2it.com/20040909/parishilton_redcarpetparade/061_parishilton_liljon_mtvmovieawards2004_copy.jpg

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

"1,2 Pass It" remix next to "Classic" is a brilliant display of how far the fuck off KRS, and Premier, for that matter, have fallen.

― The Reverend, Monday, 5 March 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)

i like the 'classic' beat better but even if you prefer the 1,2 pass it remix beat i don't see how its a 'fall off' - its just the same shit different day.

― deej, Monday, 5 March 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

i just listened to i got next yesterday - 'the mc' is XXXXXL classic

― and what, Monday, 5 March 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

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if theres a little brother gangsta grillz there can be a rakim gangsta grillz

― and what, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mixtapekings.com/hiphop/djs/j-love-rakim_legends_volume_1.asp

http://www.mixtapekings.com/images/hiphop/j-love-rakim_legends_v1-170.jpg

― and what, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

lol @ "northern smoke"

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Up Town Smoke Volume 1 is the mixtape album from Estonian rapper Tragedy Disaster.

The first single will be "Hate it or Love It" featuring Bonez.

Comfirmed Tracks

* "Money Make Tha World Go Around"
* "Sh*t's Neva Be Tha Same"
* "Me And My Posse" (featuring Bonez)
* "Who's Tragedy?"
* "Still Rollin'"
* "What Would You Do?"
* "Hate It or Love it" (featuring Bonez)
* "Any Given Sunday"
* "In Trag We Trust"
* "Datz Dat Wit Dat"
* "Slow Death"
* "It Ain't Nuthin' Like This"
* "Let Tha Real Sh*t Provoke"
* "Legendz Neva Die (1 Luv 2 Eazy)"
* "We Go Ride" (featuring Bonez)
* "Thru Tha Chronic Smoke"
* "Northern Smoke"
* "N.W.A (North-West-Affiliation)"
* "Backstabber (Message 2 Extazy)"
* "Lean Back"

― and what, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

ladies & gentlemen the estonian 'lean back' has arrived

― am0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'm starting to treat whatever rap-related thread is on the first page as the 'rolling rap thread' at that particular moment.

So this rich boy album kind of sucks.

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

did we talk about throw some d's? dyou like it?

― max, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

deej did you listen to that Skillz/Freeway song on allhiphop? love it.

haha speaking of the canon, "danger zone" by Big L just came up on my itunes...the canon rules!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Throw Some D's" is a great single, for the beat more than Rich Boy. I like Soulja Boy's version more, maybe:
http://www.myspace.com/souljaboytellem
listen to "Just Got My Report Card"

The album has some good beats scattered throughout but it more shows that polow da don isn't a great exec producer (i'm assuming he is one based on his contributions and co-producer contributions)

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard the Free/Skillz song...link?

Man this UGK/T.I. song is nuts

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Swizz kills it

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

i put on king yesterday and 'front back' sounded better than anything on it

― and what, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

deej, i heard it on allhiphop.com but no it looks like it was taken down...the song is called "Don't Act"....

it's in hiphopgame's audio section, halfway down..

also googled and found a zshare link, but i don't think we're supposed to post those on ILM.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

ugh I'm not entirely sure why but I hate that "front back" remake thing.

the Consequence album dropped this week, seems like it's going completely under the radar. anyone heard it?

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

I heard a couple tracks from the Consequnce album; my friend is really into it but I didn't think it was particularly memorable. It might be something that you need to listen to a couple times tho? I didn't love "Grammy Family" either.

― max, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

i didn't hate that consequence single...it was the itunes free download of the week a little bit back.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

That's too bad abt the Rich Boy album. I still want to hear it--Polow da Don has been as consistent as anyone over the last 18 mos or so, although "Runaway" is really grating to me.

― max, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

heres the tracklist on that consequence album

1. I Used To Love H.E.R. 2007
2. Bonita Applebum 2007
3. The Choice Is Yours 2007
4. Mecca and the Soul Brother 2007
5. T.R.O.Y. 2007
6. Itzsoweezee 2007
7. Jesus Walks 2007
8. Can I Kick It? 2007
9. Jazz (We've Got) 2007
10. I Left My Wallet in El Segundo 2007
11. Hot Sex 2007
12. Oh My God 2007
13. Stressed Out 2007

― and what, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

"Front Back" is ... stable. I don't love it but its like, i remember rob them co posting some shit about how someone's music wanted to make him walk up and give it a firm handshake. Its like that.

I'm talking about the UGK song feat. T.I. produced by swizz -

http://www.allhiphop.com/player/default.asp?id=UGK_TI_-_Hit The Block.mp3&track=Hit The Block&artist=UGK Ft. T.I.

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Has everyone heard that Redman freestyle from Green Latern's show yesterday? It was on like every rap blog. It's pretty good.

― max, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

uh just google ugk t.i. hit the block

and the first result is a zshare

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

who is young dre?

i'm listening to this song called "i love LA" it's awesome! i dont keep on the west coast very much....although i can't help but think they missed a golden opportunity to sample randy newman. : (

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.iap-tv.com/v2/content/view/260/34/

"DDT Dat Hoe"?!

― deej, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

Having only heard "Throw Some D's" & "Get To Poppin'", I'm afraid to hear anything else by Rich Boy because I know it won't measure up.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and Rich Boy is great on "Throw Some D's". I like how he hard accents all the 3 & 4 beats.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure he thinks we're just referring to the Don Cannon drop when we say CANON anyway.

Alex in Baltimore on Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:25 AM (5 hours ago)

haha srsly

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

Paid in Full and Follow the Leader are just dope, no question.

I dunno about this. Both certainly have their moments of mindfuckery, but I can't imagine wanting to listen to either all the way through.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

apparently premo used this sample before on a track with masta ace

― deej, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

we need a "one ring to rule them all" rap thread, so much discussion going on in dif. threads right now.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

srsly platonic + rolling snap + this shit wtf

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

i just post in whatever rap thread is closest to the top.

― deej, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

More rap threads is a good thing! WTF are you on about? We need something to crowd out all eight Arcade Fire threads.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 15 March 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

This song is kind of boring. Best Primo beat I've heard in the past few months is definitely that one he did for Skyzoo.

― The Brainwasher, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

more rap threads is a good thing in theory but honestly it just makes it harder to remember where we talked about certain things if we want to come back to the discussion later without repeating ourselves.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

we = the 5 ppl on ilm who listen to rap : /

― and what, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

all hip hop has this song up by some underground unsigned dudes...their rap names make me giggle for some reason, they sound made up:

P-Wonda ft. Cranston Juliani and O'Shabbaz - "2.3 (I'm On It)"

it's not that bad of a song

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

arent those cats little brother affiliatesd

― and what, Thursday, 15 March 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

This song is kind of boring. Best Primo beat I've heard in the past few months is definitely that one he did for Skyzoo.

What do you think of Skyzoo? I randomly wound up getting a couple of his songs with 9th wonder beats from emusic when I was looking for something else. My initial response: good flow, Jay-Z biter, bad name.

― Hurting 2, Friday, 16 March 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

rakim still kills this

― and what, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

i've been feeling a lot of new premo shit lately, that termanology song, that big shug, the skyzoo joint, etc

― deej, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

that agallah w/premier upthread is great i missed that the first time.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

that premier/termanology track makes me want to listen to more termanology

― max, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 03:35 (eighteen years ago)

CANON

― deej, Thursday, 30 August 2007 05:47 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.stomp.com.au/coverscan/1545000/1542926.jpg

― deej, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

j love mixtape :D

― deej, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

seriously which rakim mixtape does this guy need. i'm thinking either the rakim gangsta grillz or maybe northern smoke

-- am0n, Wednesday, March 7, 2007 10:28 AM (8 months ago) Bookmark Link

― deej, Wednesday, 21 November 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

uh i can't find any rakim i like besides 'classic' and when he says the 'chorus' on follow the leader, and slug ruined that.

― luriqua, Tuesday, March 6, 2007 3:31 AM

― am0n, Friday, 5 June 2009 21:38 (sixteen years ago)

your URL hyperlink list directs my browser to motion pictures which pertain to my interests!

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― autogucci cru (deej), Friday, 5 June 2009 21:56 (sixteen years ago)

I'm sure he thinks we're just referring to the Don Cannon drop when we say CANON anyway.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, March 7, 2007 4:25 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

seriously this post will never leave my mind

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 June 2009 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

i have brought out my ipod and played the cannon drop for people in critical theory classes

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 June 2009 00:12 (sixteen years ago)

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