How do you know you're in a hip record store?

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Without like looking at the records, which would be be so easy and not hip at all.

Curt, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New ultra-hip answers, please.

Curt, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They have a cut out of Moby's head pasted over the body of Shakira.... or some crafty combination like that. And usually the eyes are blacked out with magic markers.

Honda, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The amount of vinyl and t-shirts

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no one who works there has any facial piercings. there's a faint smell of old, decaying records in the air. rap-metal kids make loud, disgusted noises because they can't find the LB remix cd.

and they've got the new slipknot album cranked up to 10!!!!!!!!!!111111111

your null fame, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the dork behind the counter calls you a shoegazer when you ask for the new malk album. he then proceeds to tell you how good tortoise are in 1000 words or less. i then stab him in the neck with my swiss army knife and steal his rasta beanie.

jarv, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No mention yet of the endless amounts of used cups of coffee from the local 7-11?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Depends what you mean by hip, of course, but there's usually some Aphex Twin paraphernalia behind the counter. Hmmm, maybe i'm just thinking about shops I know i'm going to like (although I'm not a big AT fan). I guess the really fashionable stores are those with apparently only about twelve records and in which all the customers are asking for the same one, because they instinctively know what is NOW.

Daniel, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can only think about the six dozen uber-hip 12 inch single shops with goofy DJish names that are all over San Francisco. They always seem to be playing the same trance song when you walk by and their interiors are super clean, often linoleum floored with displays showcasing 10 copies of the same 100 rare import vinyl singles and maybe 20 DJ oriented magazines with Paul Oakenfield on the cover of every one and there always seem to be a couple of yuppy guys who decided three weeks ago they were going to learn how to DJ clustered around the turntables listening to the new Jazzanova remix of whomever with slightly perplexed expressions on their faces and the employees/owners are always very fit, very stylish young men and they sit on stools behind a counter of some sort reading the new URB and aloofly dissmissing anyone unfortunate enough to have a conversation with them as quickly as possible.

Of course, this isn't really hip in a good way is it?

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It would actually appear that courtesy is the new rudeness. I found myself looking for a particular remix not long ago and to my amazement I wasn't given short shrift or told to go away for not being a DJ. In the three shops I went in I found the people amazingly helpful, to the point where I even felt comfortable enough to hum the track I was looking for! Maybe this is all a cynical ploy...

Daniel, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

At this point the economy is so much worse than it was two years afo, they are probably grateful for whatever business they can get.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When you have to press a door bell.

Julio Desouza, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When you're struck with the feeling that you're in a record boutique, not a record shop.

Andy K, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The floors are dirty and the bins aren't labeled.

Dave225, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Free anti-capitalist literature, ironic mullets, no sign outside the door, light obscured by windows blacked out with stickers for the new Stereolab remix EP, music which sounds like a laptop having a coughing fit but described as minimal glitch tech house when you ask what the shitting crikey it is playing in the background, vile putrid stench of an extensive Kitty-Yo back catalogue.

Barnaby, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's boxes everywhere. There's even one which has old mixtapes and vinyl singles. You look up and see cobwebs everywhere. The guy who runs it has his own band which has been playing punk music for decades (so it feels to him). Some days you walk in and there's an old funk record on max volume. Y'know he's drunk that day. In the back there's old punk records. One day Thurston Moore walks in and find an old Lou Reed LP.

nathalie, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I look at the "Upcoming Releases" board behind the register and scan it for Japanese names.

Mark, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

*all excited* There's a new Stereolab remix EP????! *pause* Oh, right. I get it.

Re the question: it has precisely 30 CDs, all mounted on the wall. The rest of the shop is full of art books.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They're blasting the most inaccessible avant-noise possible at eardrum raping volumes to weed out the tourists and passive "music fans" looking for the latest Nickelback album.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The store is playing a David Sylvian disc instead of the latest fashionable fad of a style in the world of music.

brian, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

all records in categories like "california dreamin" and "the many wires"

music playing at volume too low to hear

no magazines

no customers

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The clerk uses a calculator & carbon-paper receipts in lieu of a cash register. And no one offers to help you look for anything. They scowl. Constantly.

And I know I'll have to risk a glance at the records, but I KNOW where I'm @ when a good number of the used CDs often cost as much or MORE than the new CDs.

Daver, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

look for the going out of business sale signs

fritz, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The only way you can shop there is by appointment.

mt, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As a middle-aged man who often goes record shopping at lunch breaks and after work, and therefore in a suit, the key test is whether they look at me as if I'm obviously lost and possibly confused. They are expecting me to ask "Do you have 'Everything I Do I Do It For You' on 8-track cartridge?", I think.

Hardly any stock. 12" singles only. More staff than customers.

Martin Skidmore, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

all records in categories like "california dreamin" and "the many wires"
Tracer, of course, is OTM. Conversely, no categories at all.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

am i alone in finding the hipness of a record shop actually a turn off? the biggest independent record shop in leeds - barneys - is i'm sure very 'hip' - lots of imports, etc, wide collection etc BUT thing is they kind of have a "ah we are so hip it's WONDERFUL" attitude which i for one cannot stomach. i'm used to something like selectadisc in nottingham which for every attitude ridden staff member had ones who actually seemed to work there to love records, and that is why i loved the shop because you knew what mood the vinyl people were in if "odessy and oracle" was on or whatever. i refuse to go into barneys because of their attitude of hipper than thou, and make a point of buying my stuff at the slightly more expensive but more warm and friendly record shop around the corner run by prog rock fans. so if it's a hip records store and they know it, i won't stay a moment...

chris browning, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Loads of stickers and flyers by bands you've never heard of?

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this area [boston/cambridge/somerville] is knee-deep in independent record store territory, but the hipness volume has been decreased somewhat now that the 'other music' in cambridge closed. [which was tragic - they seemed to be doing well - but they just packed up and left one day! agh!] i always liked the selection in there, but the hipness was so palpable that it sometimes threw me off. i dunno. i grew up a minute away from my still-favorite-'hip'-but-friendly-record-store, the princeton record exchange.

the signs of an aggressively hip record store, for me at least: 1) while they're ringing up your order, they pause and stare at each cd, while your knees quake and you think they're making some sort of mental judgment on your personality,
2) everyone who works at the shop is utterly beautiful,
3) they say something llke "that's a good choice" but everything they say has a strange undercurrent of "you mean you didn't already own that obscure neu! release yet?" or "you mean you didn't already own the new lambchop album? what year do you think it is, 2001?"
4) you're the only person browsing who does not wear regulation-black-plastic-eyewear.

geeta, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"How do you know you're in a hip record store?"

Well, if it looks like it's trying to be a Malcom McLaren & Vivienne Westwood shop, only with records. :) Other things to look for: local fanzines, zillions of posters for obscure club nights, loads of categories starting with "Nu" or "Old-Skool". Actually those things are not in themselves bad without an air of smugness. Currently worst offender in Glasgow is "Beat Museum" (Ugh!) in Great Western Road.

Old Fart!!!!, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

closed

close your tags, pls, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeed, the hippest record stores are always closed.

o. nate, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, Tracer, don't you mean categories like "Out" and/or "The Establishment?"

Depending on if, by 'hip,' you mean 'seen as hip by those who are seen as hip,' if you're on St Mark's, you're not in one.

matthew m., Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Effa hip indie rekkid store......i look down on THEM.....the problem is that I dress very un-indie.....preppy-ish baggy shit, or tracksuits with rolled up sleeves, usually gelled hair......I look like a fucking goomba to tell you the truth, Ramosi Soprano......I always get an evil or condescending eye from the indie bitches working there if its my first time in the store...........I hear all this shit-talk about horn-rims like "grrr, I'd like to hit them in the face and break those glasses in two, heehee".......yeah....you talk it, but Ramosi would do it.....I'd love to see an indie kid try to throw down.....he'd be way bigger than me but still couldn't do shit.....he'd grab at my sleeves, put his head down, turn his right hip toward me and lift his knee in that bizarre half-fetal thing that all wimps do when assaulted.....and he'd mutter, Dude....Dude!.....what the fuck!.....oh, I know the type.....their name is "ashton" and "april" says he's "beautiful".....yes, i'm getting too old to solve things via kindness and gentle disproving of others' misconceptions.....violence is the only way to deal with indie kids, I fear.

A somewhat apposite anecdote.....maybe...when I was little and Shaquille O'Neal came on the scene......remember that? the hype wave was insane.....every mall FootLocker had that giant cutout with his actual size 20-something shoe on display.....everyone and their dead grandma knew who Shaq was, he was in everything........so I went to the mall with sis and I got the official black Orlando champion jersey at Big 5, it cost a pretty penny......as I was chilling by the shoe racks, this very corny black guy (yes, corny black men exist) behind me starts jabbering incredulous to some white chick like, "O'Neal? Who the heck is O'Neal.....TATUM O'NEAL?, hahaha!", not even in a good natured way.....it was bullshit.....he knew who Shaq was like everyone else, and he was in a sports store......I go "huh? it's Shaq! everyone knows Shaq".....he just goes 'pfff' all dainty and shit......then my sister steps in and goes all sarcastically, "OH....SO YOU AREN'T AWARE OF LIKE, THE MOST FAMOUS BLACK ATHLETE ON EARTH RIGHT NOW....BUT YOU KNOW TATUM O'NEAL....CONGRATULATIONS!!! YOU'RE THE MOST ANGLICIZED BLACK MAN I'VE EVER MET!!!!"....she starts mock-clapping.....I didn't know what anglicized meant or who Tatum O'Neal was, but I knew that my sister made this guy look like a total BITCH.....he was speechless.....it's about the only cool thing my sister ever did

Ramosi, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

clarification......I was wearing the jersey in the store as this guy started picking on me......there, that should make sense.....son. respect. son. yo.

Ramosi, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

doesn't someone from auckland wanna talk about "beautiful music"? it sounds unbearable. the records are all $40, you can order coffee while you listen to them, and the owner has been known to fellate shayne carter furiously in publications such as "the listener".

di, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i saw hamish kilgour in roy's today. i didnt say hello to him. i'm too hip.

, Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

di you'd luv the shit out of Beaut Music....they have got SO MANY Frank Zappa rec's!

, Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Theres nothing hip about Beautiful Music. First time i went in there they had a Japanese music section with a sign saying "if you know what the unlabelled CDs are please tell us" and a bunch of labelled ones that were labelled wrongly. I'm such an uber-nerd i went through them telling them what they all were. They offered me coffee but i hate coffee. i'm not hip enough to drink coffee.

hamish, Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
in my personal opinion, the best type of record store is one in which you could find ANY album ever made of ANY type of music ( or they could have it for you tomorrow) and the people working there would be able to give you suggestions on "if you like this then you'll really like this" and it is always the best shit ever, and each new album is better than the last, so you always buy the best album ever thanks to the intuitive guidance of your local record shop messiah.

, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If theres a guy behind the counter mixing and freestyling behind a set of turntables...while you are shopping!

Lord Custos 2.0 beta, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They're playing the original version of Gavin Bryars' "Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet" over the house system, and the guy behind the counter is weeping.

Colin Meeder, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
"How do you know you're in a hip record store?"

You don't. Until years later when you reminisce with other sad muso geeks about how much better little Xxyyxx was than the new omni-globa-mega-corp franchise that only sell the latest Teen Bleepcore tunage.

;-)

meirion john lewis (mei), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah I agree with foo.. who cares whats playing, who's working,

if I go in and they have the record I want, that place is damn hip

insectifly (insectifly), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Employees in notable local bands!
Merzbow on vinyl
Do not use UPC codes.
In a loft
Employees in pajamas

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

greasy hair EVERYWHERE

original bgm, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

> They're playing the original version of Gavin Bryars' "Jesus' Blood
> Never Failed Me Yet" over the house system

first time i ever heard this was over the PA in oxford street virgin megastore back before they closed the bit that's now MadHouse.

you know you're in a record shop that THEY think is hip when:
you can't touch the records, they're all on racks behind the counter.
(i hate that)

koogs, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

When the conversation begins, "Welcome to Best Buy, how can I help you?"

Seriously, Best Buy and Circuit City kick the ass of my local "cool" record shop in a couple of categories important to me, like Latin music (look for high percentage of Chicano families copping the new Los Tucunes de Tijuana CD).

Matt C., Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

When the conversation begins, "Welcome to Best Buy, how can I help you?"

I've heard so many good things about Best Buy. I don't think I've ever been in one.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't give them high marks for, like, people-service or anything. No one ever knows anything, and I've never ever seen anyone in the music dept. or the video games dept. ever. But the co. itself is fairly okay and they do sell some stuff really cheap.

Matt C., Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

four months pass...
Here is a description of the only truly "hip" record store in San Antonio, TX:

There are posters plastered all over the place, practically obscuring any view one could get from the large windows up in front, even. Loads and loads of rock t-shirts on hangers hang from wherever they can hang -- this is not excluding the ceiling. Plenty of other rock t-shirts are folded and put into a display case. Yet another display case features rock pins from bands as disparate as the Ramones and the Damned. Along one side of the store is a place where local bands place fliers advertising their latest club gigs, and where ultra-leftist anarchist types place their propaganda -- I'm sorry, literature. Taped to the tiny little parts of the windows that aren't covered by posters are ads for musicians looking for bands and bands looking for musicians, requisite "influences" list included. Music features -- the boxes of used vinyl for $1.00, the more "in demand" used vinyl in old record bins, newer releases by vinyl-friendly artists in more old record bins, tons of used CDs by artists of varying degrees of obscurity, tons of newer CDs by artists of varying degrees of obscurity (also including some imports), and a wall of cassettes behind the lone register. There some music videos by the side thrown there as an afterthought, and before you leave the place you can pick up any one of the local alternative newspapers. The store is located on a corner in a neighborhood close to downtown, so the parking situation isn't pretty, but people will come and park wherever they can to get to the store.

Mind you, I prefer the local chain of secondhand CD stores and even Barnes & Noble/Best Buy/Half Price Bookstore, all of which are places where I don't feel as self-conscious about what I'm looking at, but I have had some good times at the "hip" store and did squeal like a teenybopper when I heard Nirvana played in said store. It was one song, but it was enough to make me feel 14 again.

Oh, and this store also has a turntable so you can sample the vinyl before you purchase it. That's the one thing I actually get excited about on a regular basis when visiting this store. I *heart* vinyl.

(for those of you who might actually visit San Antonio one day, I'm talking about Hogwild Records, which is near San Pedro and Cypress)

Dee the Lurker, Thursday, 3 April 2003 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY DONT PLAY DELGADOS

, Thursday, 3 April 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the hip hip the hip hip hop

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 3 April 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Hip record store employees tend to be the same sort of people that work at rock clubs. Oddly, this doesn't mean that they look like indie kids; instead they seem to be more into extreme piercings and tatoos (like tattoos all over their faces!) and often have the most incredible dredlocks you've ever seen on white people. I guess when you commit yourself to working a completely shit job in order to remain as close as possible to a certain lifestyle you have to do something dramatic to yourself to justify it (e.g. "My God, I make 6.50 an hour and I'm 33! Why do I do it!?" *looks in mirror* "Oh that's right because that's who I am, man."

Dan I., Thursday, 3 April 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yet another display case features rock pins from bands as disparate as the Ramones and the Damned.

Are these two really that disparate? I was expecting Pat Boone or something for the second example.

Poobah's in Pasadena is probably the hippest store in the world that has completely unhip looking employees. Even the local Wherehouse is likely to have more tatoos/piercings. It was started in '69 and probably has some of the original employees.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 3 April 2003 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It takes four seperate guys to handle, mumble about and process your purchase. They dont have any change and cant demo your vinyl because the stylus is shot. one asks YOU for a cigarette. The others fight over the rotary phone

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost forgot the broken bits of cds on the floor and a white stripes 45 stapled to the wall

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:44 (twenty-two years ago)

dude ramosi's post up top rules

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:45 (twenty-two years ago)

white stripes 45 stapled to the wall

¨THAT IS ALL THEY ARE GOOD FOR.

, Thursday, 3 April 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

They usually have such a musically biased selection of records that you may as well leave and go for Tower Records Megastore, and their back cataloge section instead, as you are a lot more likely to find what you are looking for there than in this pathetic "hip" store.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 3 April 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

THEY DON'T HAVE BAGS.

OR

Good hip: There's a great store in Paris that PARCELS your purchase for you in a sealed envelope so you get to OPEN it later. Glorious.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 April 2003 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The white Stripes single is stapled through the middle

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 3 April 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

There are turntables in the store that are playing the most obnoxious techno in the universe. There are posters and cards and little peices of crap EVERYWHERE. And there is a section for ironic movies.

David Allen, Thursday, 3 April 2003 10:13 (twenty-two years ago)

THE POSTERS MAN THE POSTERS. i cannot look at any records until i'v checked out every single poster fr sale there. quality posters and strings.

rex jr., Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Hip record store employees tend to be the same sort of people that work at rock clubs.

The owner of one of my favorite stores is also a bartender at my favorite club. And you forgot muttonchops, or is that just a Washington thing?
:^}

Hipness signifiers:
Magazines you've never heard of.
The place is wallpapered with flyers from shows 15-20 years ago and the artists' names are now known only to collector scum.
There's a small section of second-hand books related to music.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 3 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

THE POSTERS MAN THE POSTERS

i read this and i was really trying to imagine how, say, an andrew wk poster might go about defending/guarding a miss kitten poster.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a great store in Paris that PARCELS your purchase for you in a sealed envelope so you get to OPEN it later. Glorious.

This reminds me. If there are any folks in production on this board I still hold true to my theory that sales of CDs would go up 10-15% if they'd just make them easier to open.

For The Love Of God

david day (winslow), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And I would estimate that there is a direct relation to how hip a store is to how unlistenable the music.

david day (winslow), Thursday, 3 April 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)


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