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I've never heard them. Should I?

Poops Mcgee, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes. Definitely. The first five of records are ACE. Can't go wrong with those. Future Days is my fave record.

nathalie, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Uh, yes, you should.

Search: The first six albums (Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Tago Mago (!), Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma).

Destroy: Pretty much everything else, although Landed has its moments.

lee g, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Depends what else you like - but yes, hear them. All the world will tell you to get Ege Bamyasi or Tago Mago - But some of the later stuff is just as cool. I suggest the 2 disc Anthology (it's easy to find) -

Everyone else will fill in the rest.... I'm too tired.

Dave225, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The only Can track that has ever done something for me is "Animal Waves", one of the early instrumental world music tracks in 1977. Very intense atmosphere. Especially "You Doo Right" should be destroyed, bloody embarrassing chorus.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Maybe my favorite band ever (along with the Fall). First 5 albums are ridiculously good. Any of them is a great starting point.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: everything they recorded from 1971 until 1975. I also like the early stuff, but IMO it just isn't on the same level.

Destroy: DISCO CAN! Otherwise known is just about everything post- Landed. I actually know a guy who claims this is his favorite period by Can. I believe him to be mentally ill.

dleone, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How about Can gone solo?

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I still haven't heard TAGO MAGO (which -- I'm repeatedly told -- is their finest hour), but MONSTER MOVIE's pretty fantastic -- if only for the epic-length "Yoo Doo Right".

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DLeone is on the money about the 1971-75 period, but sadly wrong about Disco Can. The idea (and sound) of aging rockprofs harnessing their sonic explorations to the thrill of the glitterball is fantastic. I Want More is monumental.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also search: 'Delay 1968', pre-'Monster Movie' tracks which are punk as fuck and a major major source for the early Fall sound, 'Unlimited Edition', a collection of unreleased tunes that's got some essential early Malcolm Mooney-era songs, as well as quite a lot of self- indulgent old pony, and the 'Peel Sessions' rec., which I think is quite a good way into the post-Damo era. I even quite like 'Rite Time', the very late Mooney 'reunion' alb, and 'Saw Delight', which I think is far and away their most effective world/disco fusion disc.

'Monster Movie' is still my fave, tho' - and personally I LOVE the lyrics to 'Yoo Doo Right' (so does Bobby Gillespie - he pretty much lifted them wholesale for 'Movin' On Up'....)

Destroy: the mostly v. poor remix alb.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nothing by Can is worth destroying, but everything else is worth searching out. Of course, only each note that they've ever recorded achieves "classic" status, since all of the other stuff is clearly dud.

J, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

for some reason my mind has been reverse magnetized on CAN i think monster movie and tago mago are dull plodding rock and i only start getting excited as their career slides into the crirical doldrums and they go discotastic

bob snoom, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree with what most people have already said- Tago Mago, Future Days and Ege Bamyasi are essential. Moonshake is my favorite song and Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album (with the exception of Piper at the Gates of Dawn). The live Can: Box Music is also fantastic.

lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album

Isn't that the equivalent of saying, "This Nations Saving Grace" does more for me than anthing that John Mellencamp ever did." ..?

Dave225, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd take Mellencamp over The Fall.

Can is awesome. I wouldn't put them in the same "must hear" category as somebody like Kraftwerk, though. All the albums I have (thru Future Days) have both dull moments and great tracks. I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.

Mark, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dave- Ok, so there are a lot of differences between Can and Pink Floyd. That was a pretty dumb statement to make, I admit.

lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Probably my favourite band. In order of how I like 'em : Ege Bamyasi, Unlimited Edition, Tago Mago, Soon Over, Future Days, Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Rare and Unreleased (just for the single B-Sides) and then the rest.

Ege mainly has shorter distinct songs which may be your cup of tea whilst Future Days is the proto ambient one.

philT, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's very unorthodox to say, but I think 'Soundtracks' is a great place to start. The songs are shorter, more focused, really psychedelic... and it's got "Mother Sky" - not short, but perhaps my favorite Can moment (but there really are a lot of great moments, and you should check the band out in any case). There are lots of people who are "early Can"-ers - the rocking, garage-psych THUDTHUDTHWACKTHUD stuff. Then there are plenty of mid-period fans - the weird, bubbling funky albums. I haven't heard anything past 'Soon Over Babaluma', so I can't comment on that period of the band.

Clarke B., Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.
Absolutely the singing is the weak point. One reason that Animal Waves is so good is that no one from the band sings on it.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Totally disagree. Both Michael Mooney and Damo Suzuki are important ingredients to Can's sound.

It starts getting good from Soundtracks on. Future Days is simply awesome.

The whole disco period is ok, if you're a big Can fan, but I wouldn't start there (although I love Holger Czukay's "Movies" album).

Braces Tower, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm surprised to see so much praise heaped on Monster Movie. I don't like it at all -- I found it boring, pretentious, and vaguely embarrassing, and can't really imagine what people who like it so much are hearing in it. Perhaps I need to dig it out again and give it another try, but...

What I've heard of Ege Bamyasi and Tago Mago sounded appealing, especially the former.

Phil, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i haven't heard it inna couple years to be sure, but there's this solo that erupts in the middle of "father cannot yell" which sounds like either a. a tape-slice glitch or b. karoli playing fucking backwards. it was then that i knew can were genius.

anyway, my favorite is still probably future days although everything they did has moments.

jess, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I guess some of you will find this funny but a band called The Creeping Nobodies will be opening for Damo Suzuki in Toronto next month.
How many Fall references can one squeeze into a bill?

Mr Noodles, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: the records that everybody else mentioned, and I should add that "Aspectacle" (from the s/t album, in their disco period) is actually pretty great. I'm fond of _Delay 1968_, too, in a different way.

Destroy: _Out of Reach_, which the band hated so much it's never been reissued, and with good reason.

Douglas, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i prefer th' faith healers

bob snoom, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

or ganger. in a similar vein to me prefering aphex twin to cluster and trumans water to faust. old music sounds old unless you are old (nothing WRONG with that!)

bob snoom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eight months pass...
does anyone know whether Future Days is available on vinyl? has it ever been reissued? (maybe someone knows whether it will be sometime?) or is the only chance i have at obtaining a vinyl copy the 2nd hand shop or frikkin' ebay...

willem (willem), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

five years pass...

Tons of Can threads so might as well revive this one for this link -- Irwin Schmidt on food, music and democracy:

http://thequietus.com/articles/00813-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-food-and-cooking-plus-a-recipe-tip

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 06:24 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I know it's not meant to be any good, but the completist in me needs to buy a copy of 'Out Of Reach' - are any of the CD versions better or worse than others in terms of sound quality? I've read that, since it's been disowned and not officially reissued, the CD versions often come from poorly done vinyl transfers.
Any tips for which of the grey-area CD versions to try and locate?

Thanks

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:35 (fourteen years ago) link

If there's a Can forum or similar where such a question might also have been answered by knowledgeable geeks then please point me that way too.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I dont know about sound quality, but there are several different versions floating around - at least in Europe. The one released by Audelic contains Out Of Reach and the self titled album and is pretty cheap, there should be also a more recent version from Cleopatra (!) that according our supplier's database should be easily available.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks Marco. I didn't think to check for standardly available copies, assuming that the grey-area aspect would write them off, but I think I see the copy you mention, thought the UK distributor for Cleopatra isn't entirely clear and we definitely don't deal with whoever Synergie are ourselves. I'll try to see if maybe Cargo, F-Minor or PHD have it on their books.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I think that all these versions are basically non-legit.
I saw the Cleopatra version is available through Bertus, a big Dutch supplier: I'm pretty sure all good UK distributors work with them.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Cheers, that will probably help to know. If I can get it through the shop that's a bonus as I have a lot of left over holiday pay to write off.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I found it on a mp3 blog a few nights ago, Haven't listend to it yet.... not actually sure I want to. nothing worse than a bad album by a favourite band.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, I know it's not meant to be good. I want it purely for completeness reasons.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it 'bad'?

Or just 'bad by their standards'?

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 08:08 (fourteen years ago) link

It is truly and definitely BAD: the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments, but Out Of Reach is pretty indefensible.
That said, I'm the proud owner of a copy exactly for the same reasons of Krakow. :)
The BBC album, instead, is marvellous and a fascinating glimpse into the band's compositional methods.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link

The best things on it are the Rosko Gee songs

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Anyone else think "Inner Space" is under-rated? I'm not sure it's up there with the canonical records, but it's close IMO.

Neil S, Saturday, 20 November 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

first time I've heard the recorded version of this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFYCE6VIt4&feature=related

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

delay is ok... "the thief" is a banger

fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Is Cannibalism worth bothering with? The remix of Yoo Doo Right sounds like warmed-over trip hop to me...

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

you mean Sacriliege? the Cannabalism albums are just compilations

frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Cannibalism 2 has a few of my fave Can moments (the crazy/fun Mother Upduff is supposedly a true story; Turtles Have Short Legs one of damo's best vocals; Shikiku Maru Ten also excellent wierdness)
the first Cannibalism is less essential if you already have the early Can records but there's a few different mixes iirc.
and yeah, Sacrilege had a couple pieces i liked but i only recall the Sonic youth one right now....

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

cannibalism ii's just such a great listen - it's edited together so well, the first clutch of songs p much sync up & match jaki's drums up iirc.

honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I never tried Cannibalism 1 since I have all the albums, plus I hate how "Yoo Doo Right" is the only full length piece there. Cannibalism 2 seems good but if you have Radio Waves and Unlimited Edition then it's kinda superfluous. Cannibalism 3 is a collection of solo material and it's actually pretty entertaining (though disappointing if you're expecting a lot of great instrumental stuff). As for the remix collection, I really thought it was a big wasted opportunity, you'll probably wind up liking 1-2 of the remixes and find the others a waste of time

frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Ah yes, sorry, I do mean Sacrilege. It's the 3p mix of Yoo Doo Right that didn't sound too great to me, some of the other remixers might do a better job though.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

soundborad 77

My Large Grandpa Says This Plugin Is Gorgeous! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 November 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

I don't think I've ever seen this before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu2wSpL6xoQ

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 17:57 (four days ago) link

Nice!

tylerw, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:02 (four days ago) link

Jaki!

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:05 (four days ago) link

holy shit

also, SO MUCH HAIR

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:07 (four days ago) link

wow! found on a random ebay video tape too, how bizarre

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:11 (four days ago) link

Truly amazing. Great to have it!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:29 (four days ago) link

La Lechera to thread ASAP

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 18:58 (four days ago) link

Wow at first I thought it was the I Want More performance from OGWT (which I love) but there was more!! Wow. Thx for posting!!!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:08 (four days ago) link

Thanks to the thread for hipping me to that, brightened an otherwise frustrating day

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:19 (four days ago) link

(Specifically Maresn3st and Ned)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:20 (four days ago) link

Wow at first I thought it was the I Want More performance from OGWT (which I love) but there was more!! Wow. Thx for posting!!!

There's an I Want More performance from OGWT? Where is it?

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:33 (four days ago) link

Whispering Bob Harris mentions Future Days in his preamble but Damo is gone, so this clip must be from between Future Days and Babaluma.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:37 (four days ago) link

never quite seen anyone slap a keyboard like it's a drumkit

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:42 (four days ago) link

January 27th, 1974 seems the best bet for this performance. They must have been touring the UK to promote Future Days - but without the singer!

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:48 (four days ago) link

Can live on The Old Grey Whistle Test, 27/1/1974

visiting, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:52 (four days ago) link

I found the I Want More performance on YouTube years ago — there are dancers and a random guitar player iirc. It’s so cute it seems fake. I haven’t looked for it in ages but it runs 24/7 in my mind

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:53 (four days ago) link

That sounds like the Top of the Pops appearance?

visiting, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:54 (four days ago) link

Oh wait I guess it was TOTP

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:54 (four days ago) link

Yes, Top of the Pops, promoting their hit single.

(xps) LOL yes, see what happens when you just watch the embedded video and don't go to the Youtube page.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:55 (four days ago) link

Well regardless it’s great

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:55 (four days ago) link

As I think I said on another thread they were the only people in the studio older than the presenters.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 19:56 (four days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9nFglCyshY

since nobody’s posted it yet…

Clay, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:34 (four days ago) link

Good lord, Can

brimstead, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:34 (four days ago) link

oh shit i got an off-air audiotape of this track, glad video has finally surfaced. early '74 is can live at their peak imo

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:42 (four days ago) link

Imagine turning on the tube and seeing that

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:42 (four days ago) link

xp hard agree

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:43 (four days ago) link

I do think they'd have gone much higher in the charts if a gorgeous pouting Michael Karoli had been there.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:49 (four days ago) link

Awesome stuff, this.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:54 (four days ago) link

I posted this before but Michael K definitely had more teen appeal than dear old Holger and Irmin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDqR8Del_Q

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 20:57 (four days ago) link

I do think they'd have gone much higher in the charts if a gorgeous pouting Michael Karoli had been there.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.)

or his hot clocky sister

is it rude to call constanze karoli "clocky"? it's not meant as a putdown. clocky cis women are super fucking hot.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 21:21 (four days ago) link

are there any other pictures of her around besides *that* one?

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 21:25 (four days ago) link

Idk what it means but Michael Karoli was a vision to see

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 21:25 (four days ago) link

xp https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/109273897/dixoscar_400x400.JPG

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 21:29 (four days ago) link

https://st33.wordpress.com/sleeve-pages/the-roxy-music-girls-2/

sleeve, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 21:32 (four days ago) link

I know about the pic but I’m not clear on “clocky” which is ok bc we talkin bout Can not the sister

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 December 2024 00:18 (three days ago) link

"clocky" in this context means "resembling a transgender woman" (as construed by white patriarchal social norms about gender yadda yadda yaddaoooooooooooooooooooooooo). sometimes this gets taken as being pejorative but i don't mean it that way!

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 December 2024 02:39 (three days ago) link

not sure i'd ever really twigged before that holger plays with a capo but that makes so much sense

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Thursday, 19 December 2024 09:31 (three days ago) link

I've never seen him do it before.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 December 2024 09:51 (three days ago) link

Not sure I've ever seen a bass player play with a capo, to be honest.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 December 2024 09:52 (three days ago) link

same!

Bernard Quidbins (NickB), Thursday, 19 December 2024 10:40 (three days ago) link

Michael Karoli was on holiday by the time "I want more" was a hit in the UK.

So, they got a stand in to play guitar, and nobody singing as such.

(Nobody knows who it was, btw)

Mark G, Thursday, 19 December 2024 11:07 (three days ago) link

But it definitely wasn't Lou Reed, that much we know.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 December 2024 12:14 (three days ago) link

Doug Yule?

Chris L, Thursday, 19 December 2024 14:41 (three days ago) link

Some people seem to think it was their sometime-lyricist Duncan Fallowell.

I guess the capo-on-a-bass thing works if you're playing drones on the low strings (that aren't open) simultaneously with melodies on the higher strings.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 19 December 2024 15:08 (three days ago) link

I'd understand it if it was their sometime lyricist Peter Gilmore, as he wrote those lyrics. But, no.

Mark G, Thursday, 19 December 2024 15:26 (three days ago) link

Funny that it took yet another person to write “I want more and more and more and more and more and more and more x20”

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 December 2024 15:29 (three days ago) link

great vids <3

nxd, Thursday, 19 December 2024 16:30 (three days ago) link

He's not listed on the b-side credits.

Mind you, those that are, are listed under their real names!

Mark G, Friday, 20 December 2024 21:52 (two days ago) link

But it definitely wasn't Lou Reed, that much we know.

― Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, December 19, 2024 4:14 AM

Doug Yule?

― Chris L, Thursday, December 19, 2024 6:41 AM

Ha! When I first saw it I thought "hey, that's Lou Re... Doug Yule on guitar!"

nickn, Sunday, 22 December 2024 01:57 (sixteen hours ago) link


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