Dan le Sac vs Scroobius Pip - 'Thou Shalt Always Kill'

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3306813

Mfkn real talk

I lolled/agreed.

"X opened my mind to what Y can be" should be a meme.

Does Dan Le Sac post here? I don't want to get banned for C&Ping him :'(

an outro that reminds you why Kid 606 shot himself dead in 2004

^^sub-sylvester

do i really want to listen to an mc that sounds like boycie from "only fools and horses"?

No, but seriously.

http://www.funvalleysports.com/history/images/bigs/dan_plesac.jpg

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i hate this now

New single also awful.

Im not a racist!!

Haha
This fella aint a fan of the ole alnum is he?!
Nevermind though aye.
Just wanted to make two points though.
1) Im not a racist! I make music and write the only way i know how. I dont aim for any particular crowd. I will happily do a week long living exchange with anyone of any ethnicity though to give myself a little more credibility.
2) I love hiphop. Sadly i am too young and british to have been around when Gil Scott Heron dropped "No Knock" out of nowhere years before HipHop was even a concept, or when Kool Herc and Afrika used music to genuinely change the lives of so many people and did so literally on the streets. I have, however, had the pleasure of listening to them and slot of what they started on cd whilst riding around the Essex communter belt. On my unusually high horse.
Keep on trucking

Pip
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ScroobiusPip | 27 May '08, 23:29 | Send note | Report this | Reply

Is "ethnicity" the new "racialism"?

I will happily do a week long living exchange with anyone of any ethnicity

I nominate Inuit

John Le Terry and Scroobius Barton

Ouch, smackdown:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/144868-dan-le-sac-vs-scroobius-pip-angles

instrumental version would be at least a 6/10

That's mentioned in the review. Rapping does sound intolerable though.

"Two guys from the Essex commuter belt deciding that they have the right to ordain what does and does fall under the jurisdiction of the ‘four elements of hip-hop’."

And why not? This daft assertion does not stand up to any examination, and believing it is proto-conservativism and proto-fundamentalism.

To be clear, I'm saying that two guys from the Essex commuter belt have just a right as anyone to discuss and debate 'the four elements of hip-hop' or anything else, and believing that they can't is proto-conservativism/fundamentalism.

i guess he has "mike skinner's accent" in the sense that they're both britishers?

also the above poster is wrong

Anyone who bores on about 'the four elements of hip-hop' should be kicked in the nuts.

totally! anyway this is totally the best british hip hop record since day one's 'ordinary man'

Are there any other examples of well produced hip hop records ruined by the rapping?

lol every british rap album of the last 20 years lol

ummm... this is novelty nu-rave comedy record. lol at mr pitchfork who seems to think dls&sp are seriously trying to make a proper hip hop album. it's like slagging off chas & dave for being too cockney and not sounding like led zeppelin.

well he's totally ruined their chances of cracking that lucrative american market now

Yes, walked into that didn't I!

ummm... this is novelty nu-rave comedy record.

lol at any attempt to even remotely explain or justify this shit.

yeah but i don't see why people are getting so het up about it. it's not a political manifesto, it's just a dumb little parody of the holier than thou indie brigade, no more.

Have you heard the actual album?

this record is not an intentional parody

i've only heard this single. i don't mind it, in fact i thought it was fairly amusing the first time i heard it. i'm not going to walk around blasting it all day long mind. it does sound very tongue-in-cheek, self-deprecatory in places, almost like a list of admissions that the singer is guilty of rather than a list of things he truly believes in.

Yeah you kind of need to hear the album to best appreciate this review, of the album

I've heard the album and I don't appreciate this review.

Huh. I haven't heard the album, and I do.

I have and I do so I calculate that it's hometime

i heard their myspace shit and it's okay. i'd describe it as slightly embarrassing if it's done with a straight face, but there are albums that deserve a 0.2 much more than this... and oddly, they often get ratings of 8.0 and above! like that fucking burial album for example. what horrible excrement.

Yeah the mark seems disproportionately harsh, but Pitchfork pull their marks out of thin air, and it's not like they can be scientifically calibrated or anything anyway.

right, but it seems like there should be some kind of rubric that would facilitate a logically bound scoring process.

...after all, it's not just one extreme. There's also the celebrated 10.0 for a Walt Mink record (which, in all honestly, I've never heard) while things like Pet Sounds gets a 7.2 or something. A scoring system is meaningless without consistency.

Scoring consistency = boring. As long as it gets the idea across (this is great! or this sucks! or this is just okay!), then I'm fine with it. DLS&PP score/review = OTM because I HATE that Always Kill song and because true justice is always both cruel and delicious.

...after all, it's not just one extreme. There's also the celebrated 10.0 for a Walt Mink record (which, in all honestly, I've never heard) while things like Pet Sounds gets a 7.2 or something. A scoring system is meaningless without consistency.

-- res, Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:09 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.ratsnest.com/pictures/albums/Negativland%20-%20These%20Guys%20Are%20From%20England%20And%20Who%20Gives%20A%20Shit.jpg

Truthbomb.

I guess this has been proven inaccurate at one point or another, but I always thought it was up to the individual writer to "suggest" the numerical score. If so, of course there isn't going to be consistency! Not everyone thinks Pet Sounds is a 10.0 classic. They should, but they may not.