Fountains of Wayne - "Traffic and Weather"

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New album out April 3.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Sadly, it's pretty shitty. A couple of the ballads are decent but for the most part it's even hokier than the worst of Utopia Parkway.

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

what's the worst of UP?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

"Hat and Feet", obv.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

i've liked most everything they've done, but this one is pretty much unlistenable. not a catchy song in the bunch, though "michael and heather at the baggage claim" would have made a decent b-side. the lack of hooks draws attention to how awful some of their lyrical puns and nonsequiturs are.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

jeeez, I'm worried if fans are saying this. and the single?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

the single is "someone to love" and let's just say it's no "radiation vibe" or "red dragon tattoo" or "stacy's mom." it's almost half as good as "mexican wine," though.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

This is pretty much an album of "Mexican Wine"s. I think Adam S needs to decide whether or not he wants to be one of those indie guys who vanishes for five years then turns up in Tennessee having recorded a country album, or if he wants to be Mr Svengali Pop Puppet Behind The Scenes lyricist. I really don't think he needs to bother with FoW anymore.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
For a record that's supposedly so half-assed, I'm kind of shocked at how half-assed the reviews of this are.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 9 April 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

Which reviews, and why?

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 April 2007 06:28 (eighteen years ago)

What I wrote about the new one on the rolling country thread:

Fountains of Wayne -- Never paid attention to them before. Liked them more than I'd have guessed. "I-95" is a pretty great song to drive on I-95 too. If the rest of the new album was as good as that one or "Michael And Heather At the Baggage Claim" or "Seatback And Tray Tables," I probably wouldn't mind that its powerpop lacks the energy of, say, the new Clorox Girls album. I wish they fleshed the sound out more, 10cc or Steely Dan style, like they do in "Strapped For Cash." Still, it's been a long time since I heard a Weezer or Nada Surf album this good. And for all I know, this could be their worst.

xhuxk, Monday, 9 April 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Jon Pareles & Nathan Rabin likee

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a total apologist for these guys, and this album is a complete disappointment.

Dandy Don Weiner, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

I'm with you 100% Dandy. My wife and I love the first three albums in their entirety and have spent a lot of time driving along the highways of America listening to them at very high volume. Then we bought the 2xCD 'outtakes' thing and made the mistake of bringing it with us in the van on tour. Needless to say, we got a lot of "You guys LIKE this shit?" and had to be all "No, no, you don't understand, erm, umm, "Barbara H," umm, err, "Utopia Parkway..." but now I just don't know.

I've listened to this album three times and nothing (except "Strapped For Cash," which is still abominable because of the dreadful Billy Joel-ism at the end) sticks out at all.

A good surrogate Fountains of Wayne is the latest Figgs album, which is awesome if you need a power pop fix.

Manalishi, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

I think what's rilly disappointing for me is that for most the record, it veers into smug sneering at the song's protagonists, which they had done a lot in the past. Only a few songs bother with treating the characters with empathy or dignity, which is what i liked best about them…

Veronica Moser, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm...that's interesting. I didn't think about that at all. It IS quite smug, I agree. But so was "Leave The Biker!"

Manalishi, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

who the hell empathizes with bikers?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm. If they have recorded a country album, that's a step in the wrong direction. I found their previous album a step in the right direction, with more stylistic variety and less of a grungey sound than particularly the debut had. But "Mexican Wine" I would have hoped was a one-off.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

[1]still abominable because of the dreadful Billy Joel-ism at the end)[/i]

their whole career is partly a homage to billy joel, from the long island-isms, to the sappy album-ending ballads, to the fake glam guitar sound, to any number of keyb moments, to the awesome cover of "sometimes a fantasy" they did the first time i saw them.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but the 'ack ack ack ack ack ack' was one giant step too goddamm far for me, dude.

I agree about the 'country' direction. Like I told my wife when we were listening to the otherwise quite pleasant "I-95," when I want to hear country music, Fountains of Wayne are just ahead of De La Soul and Cannibal Corpse on my list of bands to defer to. No one buys Yo La Tengo albums to hear 'experimental' music, and no one buys Fountains of Wayen albums to hear country music.

I empathize with bikers very much, by the way. Every time I hear that song, I think, "Well, maybe the biker just lays the pipe better than your smug self righteous sissy ass."

Then again, I always wondered why 'the boys' didn't just invite Beth down to help them find their fucking sound. Maybe some female vocals would have made Kiss somewhat tolerable. But I'm babbling now...

Manalishi, Monday, 9 April 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

How come all their album titles mention transport in some way?

"Utopia Parkway", "Welcome Interstate Managers", "Out-of-State Plates", "Traffic and Weather"


I think FoW would be best if all their songs were like "Valley Winter Song" or "Troubled Times"

Richard Wood Johnson, Monday, 9 April 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

They should all be like "Hackensack" or "Fire Island". Leave behind the rock'n'roll of the debut forever (but not to become a country act instead)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 9 April 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)

Which reviews, and why?

Pitchfork and Stylus, for one and two...

but now I just don't know.

What do you mean, Manalishi? Are you questioning whether you even liked the first three records?

I really want to hear this now -- if only to imagine writing a review postulating why they blew it so bad.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:20 (eighteen years ago)

their whole career is partly a homage to billy joel

puhleeze. Steve Miller, closer.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

Lemme ask you something, GH…

so Fountains of Wayne "should" do this, or "shouldn't" do that. I've read many similar comments along those lines regarding what you think artists should do.

Do you think the result of artists doing what YOU think they should do will be the betterment of music/creativity worldwide? Or would the result merely be to please you? or are those two results one and the same?

Veronica Moser, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

I think the primary result would be that he wouldn't be dissing them on the internet, which is kinda win-win-win for everyone involved.

nabisco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

What am I talking about, Geir will be around long after the world's been forced to convert to his many-chorded ubermelodic folk-songs-with-backbeats Final Solution for the Betterment of Pop Bands.

nabisco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

Do you think the result of artists doing what YOU think they should do will be the betterment of music/creativity worldwide? Or would the result merely be to please you? or are those two results one and the same?

Everyone will appreciate well-produced melodic pop with the right kind of musical schooling.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

Dear Veronica,

Google Translator

Norwegian
right kind of musical schooling

English
Hongro Youth

Best,
Nabisco

nabisco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

"Everyone will appreciate well-produced melodic pop with the right kind of musical schooling."

Everyone will? Wow, with all the "will"s and "should"s you bandy about, you really have it all figured out, don't you?

I gotta say that I admire the way that you seem completely unaffected by the taunts thrown your way herein.

Veronica Moser, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)


Everyone will appreciate well-produced melodic pop with the right kind of musical schooling.

-- Geir Hongro, Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:25 PM (1 hour ago)


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Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Veronica, he's been unaffected by such things since the mid-90s -- it's much better and easier to read his posts with a spirit of curiosity and detachment, the way you might watch Bigfoot through some bushes, and file all content, from the fascinating to the predictable, in a drawer marked "Geir's Opinion." He's like the creepy bot mascot of web-based music-geeks and often fairly delightful about it.

nabisco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

Melodic pop makes you free.

jim, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

I pretty much dislike this record, and Utopia Parkway is a staple in my house -- I think it's just about perfect. My problems with this one include lack of memorable melodies, annoying faux-"radio friendly" production that makes everything sound really tinny, and what seems to be a sick fascination with Tony Orlando and Dawn. (I assume that's Adam, but the folky stuff isn't any more interesting.) The worst part, though, is what an earlier poster touched on: What I love most about the first two records is that the lyrics (with support from the music and the production) managed simultaneously to mock their protagonists and show real empathy for them. Perhaps that's because the songwriters were embedding a lot of their own feelings in their characters, or using their own actual teen laments (e.g., "Troubled Times"). I believed in the characters' voices. On Interstate Managers, and more on Traffic & Weather, they're often just mocking the clueless un-hip. That feels mean, and the characters seem cartoonish and unsympathetic.

Vornado, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

aww c'mon man, "Fire Island," 'All Kinds of Time," "Hey Julie" and most toonz off of WIM are massively empathetic!

and "Troubled Times"…that's my jam! could've been used in any number of sensitive, overly articulate teen programs in the past decade.

Is Geir the Count Grishnackh of melodic pop?

Veronica Moser, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

If Adam S had been born ten years later he could have been the Pete Wentz you could take home to meet your parents.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

fountains of wayne should do a massively melodic song (not a country song, of course) expressing massive empathy for geir.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

and they should call it "norwegian would"

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:43 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
managed simultaneously to mock their protagonists and show real empathy for them

Sort of like Boogie Nights were it a record.

And it's absolutely the case on WIM -- my fave on that may be "Halley's Waitress" -- a track all about a guy in a coffee shop who waits forever for the waitress to come by and bring his coffee. It's got a great conceit and this ridiculously spot-on Bacharach-ian arrangement, but there's this ONE line about that waitress on the phone w/ her agent that puts it over the top -- that makes her shitty job about HER hopes and dreams and failures. So, so great.

At any rate, I bought TAW b/c I'm faithful to these guys and heard the first four or five songs thus far. Without having dug into it yet, as predicted, I do not get the hate at all. Seems like backlash to me...

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:54 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I was sort of sceptical towards it, but my scepticism proved to be wrong. I don't see this country reference at all. I mean, sure there are two country songs on "Traffic And Weather" compared to one on the previous album, but most of it is the same kind of great powerpop. Best album of 2007 so far!

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously, what a misunderstood band this is.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:35 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

So I bought this, listened a few times, was bored with it, but then my wife started playing it constantly and now it's grown on me, to the point that I think I like it as much as Welcome Interstate Managers -- though there's nothing on ToW to compare to the 1-2-3 punch of "Bright Future in Sales," "Mexican Wine," and "Stacy's Mom."

But really I just came on this thread to say that "Leave the Biker" is plainly about the inadequacy of the viewpoint character -- it's not the biker, but the lonely guy who bitches and moans about how nice guys can't get girls, who's the butt of the joke here.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 May 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Certainly #4 qualitatively as well as chronologically among their albums, and it does contain their flat-out worst song ("Revolving Dora"), but it's still pretty solid. Three tracks stand out for me:
"This Better Be Good," which almost matches "Bright Future in Sales" for the savagery with which it hangs its protagonist out to dry. The lame rhymes and strained "donut shop" verbal riff in the bridge seal the deal for me. Still makes me crack up.
"Hotel Majestic" may be their weirdest song yet.
"New Routine" is the true gem. It nails the mockery/empathy balance on a much grander scale, and can probably be read as a metaphor for the band's whole career.

Dodo Lurker (Slim and Slam), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)

I like this better than the debut, as it is more powerpop and less grunge.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)

Weirdly I gave this album it's annual spin this morning - it's still one of the most banal albums ever made by a band with two excellent albums kicking off their career (though Uptopia Parkway does lose the plot towards the end). Dug out Interstate last night, standout tracks are thin on the ground, 'Supercollider' is one of the worst songs anyone can imagine them producing. Is it supposed to be a sincere tribute to 'Shoulder'-era Oasis? Because that's exactly what it sounds like. Ridiculous.

At least Weezer guarantee a few excellent songs every album these days, no matter how nasty the production has become. With 'Someone To Love', you get the impression FoW were begging to stay in the spotlight. Roll on album 5.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:28 (fifteen years ago)

FoW albums operate on a strict rule of alternating excellence.
1st - classic
2nd- dud
3rd- classic
4th- dud

ithappens, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 13:50 (fifteen years ago)

Except Utopia Parkway is totally not a dud!

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:13 (fifteen years ago)

I beg to differ.

ithappens, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:49 (fifteen years ago)

I listened to this a few days ago and though you can poke and prod at pretty much everything it has held up well. "Maureen" was the first time I ever noticed a track sounding like shit because of loudness war/overuse of compression and T&W was more of the same. The fictional characters with stupid everyman stories and ridiculous names approach self-parody. You can tell their hearts aren't in it and they hate their fans. But it's still a good album anyway.

skip, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 14:51 (fifteen years ago)

Skip OTM. The loathing that seems to lurk within them is my big problem. Too often there's no empathy for the characters in their songs, just contempt, which gets terribly tiring, and makes you think: it's no wonder you've not become stars if you hate all your potential audience that much. Live, too, they've always looked like they'd rather be anywhere else. I've seen them a lot over the years (for all my reservations, I love hearing those big melodies played on love guitars), and back in 1997 they looked like they'd rather be anywhere else - Chris Collingwood especially. It wasn't so much of a problem when they were playing tiny clubs, and you could mistake the attitude for ironic distance. But in recent years it's become apparent that they really don't give a shit about playing live. Rarely seen a band go through the motions so obviously.

ithappens, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:12 (fifteen years ago)

I saw them at the Highline Ballroom on the T&W tour and like you write, those big melodies are worth hearing in person. But even going in knowing what to expect, the bored sneers and rote playback were shocking. They made half-hearted shoutouts to New Jersey while mocking the New Jersey bridge & tunnel crowd that made up the majority of the audience (and of which I was one). They are still one of my favorite groups but it's sure as hell not because of a personal connection with the band members.

skip, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 15:39 (fifteen years ago)

Rarely seen a band go through the motions so obviously.

You should see Magnetic Fields sometime!

But -- last time I saw them was on the Jersey Shore and it was great, no sense of sneering. But whatever all you guys perceive as sneery about them is lost on me in any event.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:51 (fifteen years ago)

No one likes "Fire in the Canyon"? That's the best song on here!

Vanilla Douche (res), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 21:56 (fifteen years ago)


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