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which is better? stickys 'dollar sign' (with lady stush) or sticky;s 'boo' 9with miss dynamite)?tinny casio sound + squeaky mouse-mc or savage bass attack + angry girl? they are nearly exactly the same tune in terms of rhythm and tempo....

my money is on stush at the moment. maybe thats cos i've heard boo at lot more times. i just got my copy of dollar sign today and have been caning it all day, so that may change....

― ambrose, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"dollar sign" has the better chorus. also, dynamite doesn't sound so good when she sings and word on the street is she's shite live.

― cooper, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dynamite wins. and she's AMAZING live; best mc i've seen in any genre ever ever ever.

― toby, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and really, it's almost exactly the same tune - change out the bass and add that flangey hi-hat or whatever and some casio noises. There's just something strangely sexy about Stush squeaking out "It's all about Stush!" to push it over the top.

― cooper, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Dynamite just edges out Stush because she sounds a bit dangerous as well as salacious. But Stush would be more fun to hang with I'm sure.

As a tune "Boo!" is also very slightly better because of that fantastic live-sounding percussive rustle. But it's a near thing.

I like the way Sticky's turning into a Spector/Moroder/Timbaland style uber-producer (see also Nesha's "What It Gonna Be?" and Tubby T's awesome "Tales Of The Hood"). His vocal tracks are so much better than his instrumental tracks.

― Tim, Sunday, 14 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i heard this sticky tiune last night on the dreem team show, that was like the silliest novelty tune, with sweetie irie or somethign shouting 'more weed! give me some ganj!' or something over and over again, with loads of silly vocal samples

― ambrose, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that's surgery crew "more weed" - produced by sticky, obviously; think it's coming out on Social Circles; promos are out now.

― cooper, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
At the moment ive got to say stush is better, but tru say dats coz dynamites tune rinsed out now so maybe when heads start playin more of stush i might think the same of that as well. I think that D's tune is more stonger and i feel dat tune more wen I hear it.Coz of da heavy beat. Ne way i think dat dis should be rated in a rave, coz i've bin ravin and i aint even gonna lie,wen people hear Stush's tune they aint as hyped as wen BOO used 2 cum up!

― Bumps, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking "What's It Gonna Be?", "Boo!", "Dollar Sign", "Tales Of The Hood", "More Weed" and "Did It" together (and politely ignoring "Triplets") it becomes clear that Sticky is something like garage's Timbaland. Not only is his production style really identifiable (stiff, sparse, frenzied) but he seems to coax the most fantastic vocal performances out of his guest stars.

BTW anyone who hasn't heard "More Weed" needs to get on it, STAT.

― Tim, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

while i agree that sticky has gotten excellent performances out of his vocalists, i'm going to have to stop short of your Timbaland comparison for the simple reason that nobody's imitating him. 6 months or so after Missy's debut album came out, there was the sudden emergence of tons of singles from the second-rank producers that were virtual ripoffs as far as grabbing and yanking the stop-start beat style; we pretty much owe all the interesting elements from r'n'b in the last 5-6 years to the guy.

i'm also not convinced that it's Sticky that gets these performances out of his performers; none of them save Miss Dynamite have since done anything at all to judge against, so Social Circles may just be busting ass on a&r.

and isn't it just a little disturbing that so many Sticky productions are so similar? "What's It Gonna Be?" is from, like, '99, i think, and it sounds so incredibly different to me from what came after. as discussed, "Dollar Sign" liberally borrows from "Booo!" - "Tales of the Hood" snatches the "Triplets" bassline practically intact - and, i swear, Sticky uses the exact same drum kit in every song. what gives Timbaland/Moroder/etc. a distinctive style is a sort of conceptual one-up on the competition; in Timbaland's case, a keen jungle-style awareness of how to make a groove flex and bump and a penchant for subtle-yet-effective sampling. Sticky tunes sound ...

oh, wait, i just downloaded "more weed." i take those bad things back, for the most part, but am still unwilling to award him more than Jermaine Dupri status for now. this is a decisively different yet extremely wicked tune. so, err, how about that mj cole/rodney p/courtney melody number?

― cooper, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Re "coax" great vocal performances. This = code for "finds great performers", as generally when have *guest* singers on garage records been reliably charismatic? (Hence the vocal cut-up) Even if Sticky's only finding good talent to spotlight on his records, this is worth commending on its own.

It's true that Sticky's style, though identifiable, fits into an established genre rather than forcing a new one into existence. I love most of his stuff (main exception being "Triplets" which I'm ambivalent about; "Tales Of The Hood" is a much better take on same) but it's hardly groundbreaking. My (unclear) comments were strictly related to the consistent quality of the vocalists - unlike a Jermaine or a Rodney Jerkins or even The Neptunes I can't remember the last time a Timbaland R&B track had a crappy or disinteresting vocalist - more often he's introducing new talents who are then quite able to stand up on their own (see Tweet). I think the same applies to Sticky, but it might be great A&R work in *both* cases.

Also: interconnectedness of vocalists with music. Like Timbaland stuff a lot of Sticky's stuff sounds like the vocals and the production came together very organically. There's a real live, spontaneous feel despite the clinical nature of the music ("Triplets" is *all* clinical, hence my ambivalence). In fact how cool would it be to see Sticky tour with his troupe of performers.

Re: MJ Cole's production of "Ruff Like Me". Yeah it's great - love the straight reggae section and the way MJ has managed to combine his trademark percussive vamps with a rough soca stylee - BUT I refuse to accept that his sudden conversion to ragga is more radical or credible than Bump & Flex doing the same.

― Tim, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also Cooper have you heard his remix of Pay As U Go's "Champagne Dance"? Very Sticky (harried-sounding pizzicato and those thin-sounding beats) but very very good.

― Tim, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stush is AMAZING. On the basis of one song, she's become my favorite vocalist. She sounds like she's been possessed by chipmunks.

― Dan Perry, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jeez, we're being so rockist about this. :) the mj-on-a-soca-beat business has been brewing since his "london dub" of mariah carey last year, which liberally stole from ed rush & optical's "watermelon," as did "nextisms" iirc (not sure as i didn't care for that one at all). amusingly enough, the new ramsey & fen tune features a soca beat as well.

at any rate, if i were to trace the mj cole progression to "ruff like me" it would take into account his engineering experience over at SOUR in the mid-late 90s and the work he did for roots manuva. ukg is faddish even for a british scene anyway; all the d&b guys over there now like to talk about how garage dj so-and-so used to play jungle on a pirate with them in 1996, and the "uk garage is made up of ex-junglists" bit is pretty well drummed into the official history, thanks to reynolds and lazier music journos "uk garage is an exciting new fusion of r'n'b vocals and jungle beats..." but it's true that they don't show the same dedication in that scene to a given subgenre/style that, say, house producers do.

what's important is that it's a wicked tune. :) surprisingly enough, rodney p can actually rap, sort of, well, pretty good for a british hip-hopper, definitely. i don't want to turn him off, which more than i can say for most of the not-ragga MCs. i also find it terribly exciting that most of the impact on the bass drop comes from those jazzy chords. good summer jam.

and dan, that is exactly it; i will never be able to listen to "dollar sign" with a straight face again.

― cooper, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't the internet wonderful? You guys mention these tunes and five minutes later I'm listening to them. (PS I think Sticky will have to do about 30 more amazing tunes in different styles before Timbaland comparisons are valid)

― Ben Williams, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"what's important is that it's a wicked tune."

yes, this is why I love that Squarepusher track and could care less whether its making fun of garage: it rinses out the breakbeats

Boundary policing is what killed jungle.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

audiogalaxy is your friend for this; i'm on several promo lists, even, and i frequently hear things off audiogalaxy that i don't get for weeks. the real deal, though, is here. Live streaming pirate radio - some guy in London hooked up his radio receiver to his computer. You'll hear all the new stuff; it's especially nice in the eastern US as the good shows are on during working hours.

― cooper, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If I was a dance music producer, I would make sure all my tunes were easily available on download. Virtually the only people who actually buy 12 inches are DJs, and downloads don't hurt that market since DJs still need the vinyl to spin (Ok that fancy new technology that lets you hook up your computer to the decks could blow this theory, but for now it stands). So therefore downloads would mean you are letting your music be heard by many more people (who don't have the time, the energy or the money to hunt down the vinyl) without impacting sales.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks, that link is dope. The Reelists "Freak Mode": sweet.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

uh-uh, cd players. they're quickly becoming standard almost everywhere - i have tunes i play from cd because i'm too poor to get dubplates cut. not so stylish, but way more practical. josh wink, for one, travels with cds only of his rare old stuff, because theft and airline loss is so common. i mean, the cds are a substitute for vinyl at best, but, well, it'd be really tempting to get all the stuff i wanted for free and it would definitely cut into what i purchase.

― cooper, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh well then. Now, if I can just get a broadband wireless connection I can listen to UKG pirates while I walk around New York... can't be far off.

― Ben Williams, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"jeez, we're being so rockist about this. :) the mj-on-a-soca-beat business has been brewing since his "london dub" of mariah carey last year, which liberally stole from ed rush & optical's "watermelon," as did "nextisms" iirc (not sure as i didn't care for that one at all). amusingly enough, the new ramsey & fen tune features a soca beat as well. "

Don't get me wrong, I generally love MJ Cole and think "Ruff Like Me" is tops. And I can definitely see the line of descent you're tracing - it's been clear that he's an awesome darker/harder producer ever since the dub mixes of "Sincere" and "Crazy Love". What bugs me is that he has a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to switching styles, as if it has to be an authentic move because he's a classically-trained musician whereas all those other producers are obviously just commercial scamsters trying to make a buck off this new fad - like, if Ramsey & Fen have a new soca beat track, then that's great, and it shouldn't be treated with suspicion. On one of the (rather self-conscious and oddly prissy) uk garage/breakbeat radio shows here the DJs were banging on and on about Cole's talent over and above his peers and I just find it annoying after a while.

PS. when it comes to hard-to-credit switches, then TJ Cases' "One By One" (one of my absolute favourites from last year) is a much more extreme example.

― Tim, Friday, 3 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"What bugs me is that he has a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to switching styles, as if it has to be an authentic move because he's a classically-trained musician whereas all those other producers are obviously just commercial scamsters trying to make a buck off this new fad - like, if Ramsey & Fen have a new soca beat track, then that's great, and it shouldn't be treated with suspicion."

oh, yeah, i was just, you know, like "wonder where they got that from?" taking the piss a bit. mj cole engineers all the r&f tunes.

it does seem that dance music people generally value classical training too highly, i agree - it's a commonly leveled slam against so solid's "dilemma", frex., and the breakbeat garage tunes; helps them establish a pecking order, i guess. i actually had some drunk label guy at the WMC showcase this year try to point out to me which tracks had some "proper music" in them and which didn't - decided it was basically anything that was either not mostly bassline and beats or produced by someone who had once done something with an r'n'b vocal.

i haven't heard that argument used to justify a style switch, though, and i'd say that the massive hype behind the track is mostly because cole has been slow to release lately and rodney p apparently has some cachet over there. and it's a really good tune, too. for the most part, though, i think people get way more bent out of shape over the whole mc crew thing than they do about producers changing what they do - i mean, all the old-school djs and producers (bump and flex, EZ, the Dreem Teem, etc.) sound very very much different now than they did in, say, '96, when they were all busy pitching up US garage dub mixes, though there isn't the stupid drum and bass idea of "progression" within the scene and older tunes are regularly getting played still.

if i were to guess, though, there is an emerging narrative of the ukg scene which places the 98-early 00 period as the scene's glory days, and now all these kids are coming in and tearing down the scene with their mc posseez and their violence and their basslines, and bassline tunes are okay sometimes "i like that new mj cole bit! he's made some proper music, though" because you actually like the stuff but need to appear discriminating.

― cooper, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"oh, yeah, i was just, you know, like "wonder where they got that from?" taking the piss a bit. mj cole engineers all the r&f tunes."

Surely not *still* though? I would have thought he has better things to do with his time.

I do think that "Ruff Like Me" is an excellent excellent tune, it's just my relationship with MJ Cole that always goes through a love/hate phase. Actually he always comes across as much nicer in interviews than I would otherwise imagine.

Re: glory days. Holding up '98-'00 doesn't surprise me, as I'm sure that when all is said and done it will be tunes from that era that I will remember most fondly. It's just a nostalgia thing of course - the tunes now are just as good and the directions the scene is going in are just as exciting.

And since this has turned into the general-purpose garage thread, can someone please help me with a track ID? It's a dark, frenzied hyper-syncopated Darqwan-like track with mad bongos, bee-swarm drones that sound like Adam F's "Metropolis" and sped up samples from Wu-Tang Clan's "Bring Da Ruckus" (being "Bring da muthafuckin' ruckus!", duh). Whatever it is, it's awesome, and thus I need to know from whence it has arrived in my head.

― Tim, Sunday, 5 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

der both good in der own ways everybody's DIFFERENT

― lateasha, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Now that I've heard Ms Dynamite's new single and realize that she wants to be Lauryn Hill, I vote Stush.

― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed. It's not that "Dynamite" is bad, but I have a feeling that anything Stush might come up with would be better.

― Tim, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No it's called "It Takes More." "Dynamite" is another track off the album, I think. I prefer "Dynamite" actually. Apparently there is no garage on the album. Shame.

― Ben Williams, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Miss Dynamite is the HEAVIEST mc ever no contest.

― Liza, Monday, 13 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Im saying dat stush is a better tune for the same reasons as most other peeps,booo! has been rinsed out enuff,the tune is still heavy tho.As a producer sticky is up there,il listeln to everything hes worked on,his drumkit and bassline may b similar in all his tracks but is that a bad thing if it gets ravers jumpin.Wen i first heard more weed! in a club,that calypso beat was so original and from then on i think sticky's the guy of the moment.He has certainly inspired me as a producer.big up to sticky!

― matty b, Friday, 17 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

stush is better all of y'all are just playahaterz

― rachel jones, Monday, 20 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

DDDyyynnnaammiittte stush cant step to dynamite have u herd her new tunes???? N.E WAY WATCH OUT 4 MC POKER RE-MIX OF STUSH ITS TAKIN DA PPPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!1! (OUT ON HORRA RECORDS JUNE 2002)

― RRC, Tuesday, 21 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

promos of the new miss dynamite garage tune (produced by sounds of da future!) - ramp - are out now. bigapple has a realaudio sample: http://www.bigapplerecords.co.uk/pages/Music/Dynamyte_Ramp.ram

it's blinding! if she keeps putting out stuff like this i'll stop whining about how bad the album sounds.

― cooper, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i agree with you that the album was a disappointment. dynamite is one of the only mc's, male or female, that possesses the ability to simultaneously reinvent garage and dancehall - really make an evolutionary contribution to the state of music in 2002, so its a shame that all she managed to do was churn out a pile of the same old crap we've all heard 100 times before. im still a bit confused why people do this, but its certainly not limited to dynamite. i donno if she thinks it has a better chance of selling when its in the "proven" r&b category. heres to hoping she pairs up with some top notch producer and comes up with something actually innovative, i know she has it in her...as long as she can think of something to rap about besides how cool she is of course. oh and stush was fun...reminds me of the old chipmunk jungle vocals :)

― becky, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

im sorry, but da two cant compare. ms dynamite is all dat n more wen it comes 2 mcin, rapin, AND singin. shes da 1 role model to all up n cumin female mcs cos it she rinsed dat tune 'boo!' n made it easier 4 ladys 2 start cumin out of der shells. people were goin CRAZY wen 'boo!'came out, da hype around dat tune was unbelievable n every1 loved it, da tune was on every1s lips, u get me. im not dissin lady stush, cos shes kinda heavy 2, n da tune is hectic 2, but she's like da new kid n i dont think dat shes ready 2 take ms dynamites crown just yet. wen people heard dat tune, der wasnt da same response 2 it as der was 2 ms dynamites, showin how heavy 'boo!'was. 'dollar sign' jus aint gettin da same kind of vibe 4 sum reason. most people b sayin dat its all bout 'dollar sign', but i reckon dats jus cos da tunes new,n ur jus gettin in2 it, while 'boo' was out timeee ago, n wen u compare a new tune wid a old 1, ur blatently gonna wanna hear da fresh n latest sounds n big dem up, u get me. but wen it actually comes 2 it, it aint about dat.'boo'still sounds fresh, n everytime i hear dat tune up in da raves, da crowd goes milly trus me, n da atmosphere is jus HECTIC. i think dat 'boo'is da better tune out of dem, wheter its old or it aint.... ms dynamite is jus hectic wen it cums 2 music, n lady stush jus aint ready 2 compete or compare wid da ultimate queen of garage, u get me?! xxxx....shai....xxxx

― lady shai, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eh? ms dynamite is better at rapin'?

surely this'll affect her career as pop starlet if word gets out...

― ambrose, Monday, 10 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...
anyone know where i can get 'dollar sign'? i've looked everywhere and have come up totally empty. i slept on it and now i NEED IT!! reply privately to my email address.. mb

― mikebee, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nah i think stush is da best man all da sounds she makes in der r heavy but dynamites still ok

― shanice lakeisha Vantanio, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I believe that Stush and Dynamite first of all are good performers within their own rights. But Stush will take the title of Queen of Bashment and UK Garage. I say this because her lyricz are just raw and when her other stuff come out a lot of y'all who r playa hatin are gonna be surprised @ what dis girl's got up her sleeve!

Yeah "dollar sign" may not be gettin' the same response that "boo" did, but u know thats just the way it goes sometimes, once the promotion is done that can change. i mean "boo" is still my tune it has an infectious beat. But stush has the seriousness in her lyricz just like dynamite, but she makes it more entertaining.

I don't agree with all this comparing stuff, just because they have the dancehall vibe influence, all that kind of foolishness just starts up harsh rumours which yeah, the media love but then it doesnt help the artist(s).

Stush lives for dancehall n bashment, thats where her heart is, whereas Dynamite has a more soulful/pop approach but also with a ragga influence, which is all good coz what she is sayin is very important and i respect her so much for that. But my Dollars are on Stush, no doubt coz she's just crazy when performing live.

― "Nadz", Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone heard Ms Dynamite's "Deal With The Matter" from the new Ed Case album? Best thing she's done since "Boo", easy.

― Chris, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

stush is hevay r lyrics r heavy no 1 can smash it like her but dynanite u still ok boooooooo!

― lycrecya, Sunday, 28 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
'deal with the matter' is a heavy tune. its crazy.

Also there is another Stush tune called 'Dip', Sticky on that once again.

What do ppl think of Artful Dodger's Ruff Neck Sound. A different style for Artful Dodger but it works and its definetly a good return 4 them using Richie Dan who is a good MC/vocalist.

Tubby T - Tales Of The Hood is released in a few wks 9/9/02. I predict that it might reach about 15.

MJ Cole's Ruff Like Me should definetly be in the top 10 when its released commercially, otherwise we live in a sad world

― darren vernon, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
"Dollar sign" is really dreary and shitty.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

eleven months pass...
did stush ever do anything else after dollar sign?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 22 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

She supposedly was making an album. Probably didn't pick up a record deal.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 23 January 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently she is still working on one?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 23 January 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

how weird, i happened to listen to dollar sign for the first time today after a year or more... love it. still sounds fresh

― minna (minna), Friday, 23 January 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it's so good! wish I could find something, anything else!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I really hope that more Lady Stush music comes out soon, because I just got into this over the weekend, and I'm loving it. More, please.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

They both rock the shit out of their respective tracks.

Dynamite working on her new album I've heard; anyone know if it's going to be garage or more of the same from her first? There was talk of it being garage, "A Little Darker....". I really hope so, because she so kills on every garage track I've heard her on.

― Nick H (Nick H), Monday, 23 February 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

totally. please let it be so.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 February 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Now I have a crush on Stush. She's cute and self-assured and stuff.

― Lukas (lukas), Monday, 5 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Anybody know what Sticky's been up to these days?

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:53 (twenty years ago)

Earth to Stush and Ms Dynamite please make new albums soon kthxbye.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago)

hahaha i cant believe that back then we were all like "sticky sticky sticky". i kept on looking for a mention of jammer or something.

still stush is still fresh. i went to forward er...ok well it was ages ago but they played dollar sign then and it was fierce.


― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago)

i played dollar sign last night. what a song. more please stush!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
WHITHER STUSH

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

withered

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

:(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

APPARENTLY "DOLLAR SIGN" IS GETTING RE-RELEASED THIS YEAR!!! and there will be a big 'push' behind the Stush. Tremendous news! It's all about Stush!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

alright!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

stickys syuch a weirdo

did he never think that people would start to notice when he just delivered the sanme beat over and over and over again for every tune? he still doesnt seem to have realsied that this maybe an erroneous path: see "hype hype"

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

See "Hype Hype" charting at #22

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Hopefully it charted on the strength of the Wonder mix, but I certainly don't see it providing much incentive for Sticky to change what he's doing.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Other than Dollar Sign, are there any other commercially available tracks with Lady Stush on them at all?

I noticed she was on the bill of some grime event recently and was pleasantly surprised because I thought she'd vanished off the face of the earth. Still, what with MIA and Lady Sovereign albums on the way if ever the time was right for a big Stush push its now.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

she was on the remix of lisa maffia's "all over", and there's another track that richie vibe vee's been playing recently with her on a verse at the end. i saw her do a pa at twice as nice a couple of years ago when the white label was all over the radio, and it was fantastic.

― Chris Houghton (chrish), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

there's a full page on her in xlr8r this month! a picture and everything! ALBUM TO COME THIS YEAR!!!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

all our hard work on this thread finally paid off!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

this news has made my day week month life! it's all about stush! and well done ilm.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

WE DID IT

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

M.I.Who?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Haha

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

I was so pleased to see everyone dance to "Dollar $ign" when I played it Club FT.

Sticky doesn't really need to update his sound from late 02 - stuff like "Golly Gosh" and the remix of "Dem Lott's 'Ere Now" sounded pretty fresh at the time until grime-proper totally blew up, and the scene has now worked its way round to a point where they sound fresh again. Sticky was always one of those producers who had a natural talent for sounding stiff and funky simultaneously, and that stiff-funkiness seems to be really big in grime right now (see stuff like Chardonnay's "Can't Hold It In" esp.).

Grime recyles its grooves too obviously; there's an argument that Sticky actually kickstarted grime's taste for "riddims".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

sticky's uh return to form is the most hopeful sign in a while for me (more dancing, less toys r us guitar tracks plz), even if it's the same goddamn beat from four years ago. (this mix i downloaded last night juggles remix and regular "hype hype" and it's like ughhhnnn omg.) besides, the MC performances are usually so good that it makes up for the repetition.

(this thread really made me nostalgic for 2-step btw.)

― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

maaaaaan i want to hear this NOW. anyplace besides slsk i should look?

also, for you San Francisco folks -- i'm "special guest" this Saturday night at The Choon Up. i missed last month's party but the one before that was awesome. i'm not a huge grime fan so expect lots of ragga 2-step/broken beat type stuff. i'm bringing lots of big guns: cdr promo shit/rare 12" stuff...hope yous can come down!

The CHOON UP Saturday 4.2.05
OFFICIAL DIZZEE RASCAL PRE-PARTY!

The Choon Up is a new ragga event. Covering the whole gamut of Ragga influenced
music:
Dancehall, Dub, Hip Hop, Dubstep, Broken Beat, 2-Step, Jungle & Grime, The
Choon Up is the place to feel the sublow sound.

With Special Guest:
MIKEBEE (future breaks/friday night session/safe sf)

And Rotating Residents:
ROBYNN (witches' brew/norcalDJMPA/get low)
KID KAMELEON (shockout/mashit/soundlab)
AJB (free flo fridays)
SUBTEK (dubliminal/get low/safe sf)

This month, we are getting ready for the 4/4 Dizzee Rascal show with a
pre-party warm-up.
Be there early to get your chance to win 1 of 2 pairs of tickets to see Dizzee
Rascal with
DJ Wonder on the 'History of Grime Tour' Tuesday, April 4th at The Independent
in San Francisco.

Saturday, April 2
$5, Free B4 10pm, 21/Over

House of Shields
39 New Montgomery at Market

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

Heywood, you were at the first Choon Up?....so was I.

KK and Robynn and Subtek were all there and were all great.

I don't know if I can make this one though. It came up fast!

― Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:10 (twenty years ago)

i was there for a minute, hiding in the dj booth...

hope you can make it -- i'm really excited about this one!

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

anyone see vibe vee tracklisting (but not playing) this last week:

sticky and joy feat stush - begging 05

hah ridiculous throwback headrush! begging is still tops tho, so sultry n elegant n restrained and errr unsuitable for stush maybe?

(toys r us guitar brung us grime's best riddim this year so wtf)

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 08:47 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

what happened

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 17:13 (seventeen years ago)

stush is back! terrific turn on sway's new single

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:47 (seventeen years ago)

Shystie and Lady Sovereign appear to have fallen off the face of the planet too.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 18:52 (seventeen years ago)

Hurr-hurr, remember when grime was gonna take over the world? Puke.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 20:31 (seventeen years ago)

You don't have to sign your posts.

― HI DERE, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 20:33 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-2j9ZqCtt0

this is still hot

then again, so is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwFn-GMWzI

― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:57 (fourteen years ago)

also I'm hearing "F Ur X" for the first time

so hot

― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 15:06 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7xHBpqKcsk

also this

― I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 15:10 (fourteen years ago)

heard this in clothes shop today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB3hJBvAZY

― standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Friday, 22 April 2011 15:17 (fourteen years ago)

nine months pass...

http://open.spotify.com/track/6mo8mnPSkPWnHFBHpg2YvN

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:00 (thirteen years ago)

http://open.spotify.com/track/5MVJksCJBLzWlzLlSjkzDY

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

i don't know what those are cuz i don't have spotify but i feel like i should bump this thread regardless b/c people should talk about these two women all the time

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:37 (thirteen years ago)

the first one is "Dollar Sign", the second one is "Boooo"

― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:38 (thirteen years ago)

i cosign both

i was also about to ask whether you'd heard stush's amazing "we nuh run" and then i scrolled up and you actually posted it 9 months ago

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 23:51 (thirteen years ago)

three years pass...

back! (again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu5M43Odkvc

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 14:25 (ten years ago)

Just like that it's all about stush again.

― Tim F, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:40 (ten years ago)

I'm not super feeling that track but it did prompt me to put 'Me Nuh Run' on again and "fuck you and fuck your playlist" was such an incredible moment. That and Ms Dynamite's 'Bad Gyal' coming out within a couple of months of one another was a terrific point of synchronicity.

At one point in 2009 I had a playlist that was just those two tracks, 'Pull, It Wheel It' and 'Your Eye Too Fast' and I caned the shit out of it.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:18 (ten years ago)


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