C/D: Deftones' "White Pony"

really fucking great record, this.

i like all their albums

i don't like that song with keenan maynard james or whatever his name is

their best album was their first, but the second two were nice as well. i havent even bothered to check any newer ones.

Is "neither" an acceptable answer? Some of the individual tracks on White Pony are absolute classics, but as a whole, I can't entirely backup this album.. This is a band that would totally benefit from some kind of 2-disc retrospective that includes about half of each record.

i kind of love everything this band has done from white pony forward. the last record, saturday night wrist was both really good and totally ignored.

This album's influence on emo: discuss.

This album's influence on emo: not widespread enough (unless we're talking about Thursday & their ilk, and in that case, urf).

Is there another Team Sleep album coming soonish?

I'm sorta of a mind w/ billstevejim: the last two records are better albums, but White Pony has higher highs, and it's the one I give the most love of the three. I wish "Back To School" was around when I was younger.

lol i hated back to school when i was in high school

back to school is their worst single...the record company tacked it on in a re-issue or some shit

Well, I guess I can't like it anymore then.

damn straight

j/k

FREEDOM

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i like back to school

i like the original version, "pink maggit"

Did this CD have "Change" on it?

yes

Why the hell this fantastic band was lumped in with the soul sucking genre that was 'Nu - Metal'. Cheers to all you lazy journos, once more.

Reminds me of the idiots that tarred Swervedriver with the Shoe Tattoo

They toured with taproot, linkin park, korn, limp bizkit etc. and had the same fan base. Not exactly strange that people compare them with those bands.
-- jim, Monday, March 26, 2007 8:56 AM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

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Toured with <> sounds like
-- NYCNative, Monday, March 26, 2007 3:02 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

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"Toured with <> sounds like"

Yeah, but actually does sound like, at least some of the time. Much more atmospheric/experimental than Korn or Limp Bizkit, minimal "hip-hop influence", and they don't go in for the bark-singing often, but songs like "Ihabia" and "Rickets" (both off Around the Fur) are pretty much textbook nu-metal. Same goes for White Pony's "Elite", though by way of Nine Inch Nails. Different influences and ambitions than most of their peers, but that doesn't mean they weren't playing in a similar ballpark.

Guitars (tone, effects, riffs) are in keeping with nu-metal, as are the rhythm section and the overall production approach. Vocals, dreamy softness and experimental reach are the big differences.

-- Pye Poudre, Monday, March 26, 2007 3:37 PM (

They were the Limp Bizkit it's OK to like.

wrong

they didn't really rap very much

the little 12-15 sec interludes where he kinda rhythmically talks totally make me wince tho

There is quite a lot of rap if I remember correctly. Definitely one or two songs on the first album, most memorably and horribly on the Max Cavalera colab. on the second album and are the verses of "back to school" not rapping?

I like the band but they are totally herby and embarassing.

i haven't heard much else, i'm just referring to what i've heard on white pony. and yeah i would hesitate to call them verses or rapping
but he does not sing for a certain period of time on 'back to school'

xp

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image otm, choripán = yum.

yeah i saw some old pics in a mag the other day and was o_O

why the hell this fantastic band was lumped in with the soul sucking genre that was 'Nu - Metal'. Cheers to all you lazy journos, once more.

Gee, why would a band called the DEFtones be lumped in with rap-metal?

Also

First Korn album > First two Deftones albums

"Also

First Korn album > First two Deftones albums

-- Whiney G. Weingarten"

the first Korn album was pretty great (i saw them pre-hiphop along with marilyn manson opening for Danzig in 95, a great show) but that first Deftones is the shit.

What got me into Deftones was Around the Fur. It's nu-metal I guess but it's nu-metal done right.

Deftones were one of the first bands to be saddled with the tag along with Korn but they were starting to move on already as the genre started to crystalize and become a commercial force.

korn's 1st album WAS kinda OK -- i mean, i guess rage against the machine kinda beat them to the punch re the whole rap-rock thing, but korn WAS kind of interesting at first. the problem is, though, that every damn record that korn put out after it sounded THE SAME (same thing with RATM, too). and to get rockist here, then the record companies and the second-rate knock-off nu-metal crap acts jumped in.

yeah i will rep for the first korn album and possibly also 'follow the leader'

didn't chino moreno (or whatever his name is) do some sort of atrocious rap on a song from korn's 'life of peachy'. seems all pretty straightforward to lump deftones in with the nu-metal camp on that basis.

yes he did.

Before any of this had crystallized as "nu-metal" (which IIRC was coined by an article in Spin), most of this stuff was being lumped together with stuff like Tool or Helmet or Prong or White Zombie as "alternative metal". Nu-Metal qua Nu-Metal definitely starts with Deftones amd Korn, though.

lol nu-metal qua nu-metal a++

hoos qua hoos

i've just never really understood how people seem mystified that the deaf tones are bunched in that same category as korn, and whatever other godawful acts were part of that fold. sure they may have a different sound, be much better, and have different influences, but they were obviously all cronies, toured together, guested on each others records and generally rode on that metal-sounding mid-nineties wave together. and the nu-metal kiddies always loved the tones. when they weren't singing along with the rage-filled choruses of 'faget' and 'daddy', they were lapping up the vibes of 'dai the flu' and 'seven words'

I guess the mystification comes from just how better they were.

that's pretty feasible :)

a smaller, less stinky turd....... is *still* a turd.............

fuck off

yeah this album still holds up, the singing is what makes it so different than every other band in this 'genre'
it's pretty awesome

Yep, Chino is a great vocalist, especially starting with this album.

I have a soft spot for the self-titled. Saturday Night Wrist had some huge duds on it.