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...as expressed in their records.presenting lots and various and very different influences at the same record:
A.C Newman
James Murphy
Brian Eno

― Zeno, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:47 (eighteen years ago)

LENNY KRAVITZ OWNS THIS THREAD

― Eisbaer, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:48 (eighteen years ago)

good examples,please

― Zeno, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

Ummmmm Ween.

― Drooone, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

girl talk

― fact checking cuz, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

Zeno, you say "victim" -- the only really good example here is Kravitz. You need to clarify either your word choice or your thinking.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 March 2007 06:40 (eighteen years ago)

Murphy and Eno, certainly, pull all their influences together tightly and cogently.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 March 2007 08:28 (eighteen years ago)

In a negative way, the Bees.

― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:12 (eighteen years ago)

Mid 90s Blur. Although not at all in a negative way.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

Prolapse,especially in "the italian flag" (stereolab,PIL,The fall,sonic youth,new wave,shoegaze etc etc)

― Zeno, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

The Pooh Sticks are the most blatant example I can think of. But then it was so deliberate, even going as far as to list the steals on the liner notes, that probably doesn't fit into the victims category

Any of the bands who have thought it was a good idea to update Pet Sounds with beatz ( ie from Panda Bear to 18 Wheeler)

― tom, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

I wouldn't put Eno and Murphy together....Eno digests his influences more thoroughly, Murphy's are much more apparent and knowing. Not knocking him, I see it like Stereolab in their prime, songs can be influence mash-ups. I don't listen to any Eno and thing "oh, he's doing this artist or that..."

― dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

That thread title makes me think of some poor bugger crushed to death under the weight of thousands of LPs after his shelves collapse.

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

i was going to make a joke about john fahey and his collection of taped 78s/his classical (music) education, but it's just not coming together for me right now.

― ian, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

If you'd seen his lifestyle or his car, you'd know how literally John was victim to his record collection. Total Collyer Bros style.

― sexyDancer, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

Spacemen 3, but in a really good way.

― William Selman, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

when are we gonna get the sexydancer tour diaries?

-stephen merritt
-devendra banhart

― ian, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

i swear i heard devendra in the t.v. ad for the hills have eyes II last nite. sounded cool.

― scott seward, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

does devendra still claim he'd never heard Tyrannasouras Rex?

― dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

“My hero, my favorite musician, is Caetano Veloso. That’s my number one,” enthuses Devendra. “What gets me through a tour is listening to Caetano (slight pause) or Jorge Ben, Gilberto Gil, Os Mutantes, and all that. That’s what gets me through my life. Tropicalismo becomes this big part of my life and this big inspiration, so I started thinking about Naturalismo. That’s what we do – naturalism. I started talking to Andy (Cabic) from Vetiver about this. ‘What do you think about this? Naturalism is a good one, right?’ If we give them some alternatives then maybe people will start taking this seriously. It’s not going to happen with these humiliating, embarrassing, cheesy, tacky phrases like ‘freak folk.’ Then he says, ‘We don’t want to be anti-artifice. We don’t want to be against anything or elitist in any way.’ I agreed.” “Then I started thinking about something I’ve said in every interview, which is that everything is a derivative of nature. Everything. Even the most plastic, most synthetic things are derived from nature. The source of them is found in nature at some point. Naturalismo becomes a completely all-inclusive thing. If there’s one thing we can take from Tropicalismo, it’s this anthropophagic attitude towards the world.”

― scott seward, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

"but yeah, sometimes I sound exactly like Marc Bolan on Unicorn!"

I'm a fan of both...but the resemblance is uncanny.

― dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Beck

― kornrulez6969, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

"anthropophagic"

what does this mean? i would guess people-eating.

― Cousin Cole, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

maybe devendra will go goregrind for his next album.

― scott seward, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

this should become a new ILM meme: "If there’s one thing we can take from ________, it’s this anthropophagic attitude towards the world.”

― fact checking cuz, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

I was listening to Another Green World last night at da bar and thought things along these lines

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Dan, you're right about Eno. His stuff is very opaque in these terms. It also doesn't hurt that I heard him years before I did Riley, etc.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 23 March 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

Oasis to thread.

Also, Rancid?

― MC, Friday, 23 March 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

still, even any art music/minimilist influences he may have, I feel like are decently digested...except maybe stuff like the pretty echoplex Riley-esque horn solo in songs like 2HB, but that may have been Andy Mackay's contribution anyway. I mean the hornplaying is of course, but the looping and such.

― dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

i swear i heard devendra in the t.v. ad for the hills have eyes II last nite. sounded cool.

scott seward on Friday, March 23, 2007 10:28 AM (8 hours ago)

the original teaser trailer for the Hills Have Eyes 2 (the one where it's just the two freaky guys carrying corpses behind them) used the Devendra song really well, i thought.

― latebloomer, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

re: Unicorn..

did i ever point out how similar the melodies of "She Was Born to Be My Unicorn" and Animal Collective's "Grass" are?

― poortheatre, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

Pavement, esp. the early stuff

― mulla atari, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and Elvis Costello.

― mulla atari, Saturday, 24 March 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)

Re: Devendra and Bolan, I once heard Michael Penn being interviewed by Terry Gross, and he seemed shocked and puzzled when she asked him if he was influenced by John Lennon. I'd raise Penn as a candidate for this thread but I haven't heard more than a song or two.

I don't get the previous two posts.

― These Robust Cookies, Saturday, 24 March 2007 05:09 (eighteen years ago)

Pavement, definitely!

― latebloomer, Saturday, 24 March 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

in a good way though

― latebloomer, Saturday, 24 March 2007 05:16 (eighteen years ago)

anthropophagic does refer to cannibalism, actually. it was a term used by oswald de andrade to describe syncretism in brazilian culture and was referenced by the tropicalists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_de_Andrade

― Tim Ellison, Saturday, 24 March 2007 07:02 (eighteen years ago)

Stereolab
Air (especially 10,000 Hz Legend)
er, the Cramps?

― Telephone thing, Saturday, 24 March 2007 07:55 (eighteen years ago)

The High Llamas.
And also what's wrong with the Bees?

― zeus, Saturday, 24 March 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hey I know one, in a very extremely -ve way, those awesome d00ds, the Vines.

― Drooone, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Yo La Tengo
Dream Syndicate
Mazzy Star

― nerve_pylon, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

Avalanches and DJ Shadow anyone?

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

Taking Tiger Mountain sounds like a Fugazi record.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, i'm sure Eno was listening to Repeater when recorded that one.

― ian, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

decemberists, maybe?

i'm thinking not so much neutral milk hotel as early '90s jethro tull colliding with a "this american life" 2xCD (only available during fund-raisers).

― Mike McGooney-gal, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:01 (eighteen years ago)

Radiohead. Jonny Greenwood wanted the whole world to know when he discovered Can.

― souldesqueeze, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone mentioned The Strokes?

― venimdenim, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

chuck berry had several records he must've built his style upon, and in "you never can tell" he references his collection.

― whisperineddhurt, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

Wilco

― Brooker Buckingham, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Primal Scream, obviously

― Tom D., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Radiohead. Jonny Greenwood wanted the whole world to know when he discovered Can.

I think that's a load of horseshit. It would be one thing if a Radiohead album were solely evocative of Can, but it was one of many influences (including contemporary classical composition) that came to a head. I would call that musically inquisitive, perhaps assimilative, not "victims".

― MC, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

Just meaning that each Radiohead record tends to reflect whatever they're listening to the most at the moment. Their first two albums were heavily influenced by (among others) the Smiths, OK Computer by DJ Shadow, Kid A by Autechre and Can, etc., etc. Plus the obvious Pink Floyd fixation that has carried throughout their career.

― souldesqueeze, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but it doesn't seem to me that they are negatively "aping" (what the word "victim" means to me), rather that they are using their influences to affect their sound. "Victim" implies that the output is bad copycat stuff, which I don't think so in re: radiohead.

― MC, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

Are there any recording artists who are not influenced by their record collection? The answer to this thread appears to be "Everybody"

― tom, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, perhaps I misunderstood the question at the start of this thread. If you're referring to artists who merely ape their influences without contributing anything creative, Lenny Kravitz definitely owns.

― souldesqueeze, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

A huge number of the acts mentioned in this thread are "victims" in a positive sense.

I certainly mean it in a positive sense when I say mid 90s Blur were victims of their record collections. They have never sounded better.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

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