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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--_-gPX3Nw
― solitary posts that effortlessly summarize the spirit of ilxor (ilxor), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 13:30 (fourteen years ago)
"Black Sabbath - Iron Man"
The inclusion of this song on this thread is mind-boggling.
― Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 14:49 (fourteen years ago)
Fugazi--Waiting Room
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:18 (fourteen years ago)
The Steppes - The Sky Is Falling, from their brilliant 1987 debut Drop Of The Creature
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:23 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhs3Rj71gpo
― it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:26 (fourteen years ago)
I always thought one of the prototypical examples of the whole quiet/loud "thing" has to be Dancing With The Moonlit Knight?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Spl1cOf-o
― Kim, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)
Gouge Away has the loud verses/whispered choruses
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:56 (fourteen years ago)
(except at the end)
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 15:57 (fourteen years ago)
"Is she really going out with him" Joe Jackson
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zmhvJpTELc
^ the original 'It's Oh So Quiet'
― immer wieder, ralf & günther (NickB), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:19 (fourteen years ago)
"Black Sabbath - Iron Man"The inclusion of this song on this thread is mind-boggling.
LOL, I know, it doesn't even have a chorus!
seriously! this is like one of the oldest pop music tricks in the book! does anyone seriously think this was started by Pixies/Grunge/Nirvana or whatever?
OTM. It's called contrast. Not just the oldest pop music trick in the book, but kind of a fundamental way to structure any piece of art.
― unmetalled world (wk), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 17:08 (fourteen years ago)
More reps for The Bait and 'Sun God'.
Still love this song
― Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 17:57 (fourteen years ago)
agreed. the bait were masters of this technique.
― candlecart, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)
I always thought one of the prototypical examples of the whole quiet/loud "thing" has to be Dancing With The Moonlit Knight?
Does "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight" have a verse and chorus in the traditional sense though?
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 19 May 2011 10:36 (fourteen years ago)
― unmetalled world (wk), Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
OTM. it's ridiculously easy to find examples of this. but that's not what was significant about kurt's songwriting style. the "grunge" thing under discussion isn't soft/loud/soft pop dynamics, it's the post-hardcore combination of that familiar strategy with deliberate, shrieking noise. therefore, yeah, squirrel bait, husker du, the pixies, nirvana, etc. dino jr, too.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 May 2011 13:11 (fourteen years ago)
^this is a lot closer to what I'm hearing; I always felt like ppl credited Pixies w/ the formula, but I feel like Pixies were rarely as formulaic or diagrammatic as quiet-verse/LOUD-CHORUS suggests (unlike Nirvana ca. Nevermind). This is why I brought up Gouge Away, which for most of the song subverts the 'formula' by offering loud verses and quiet choruses (& also subverts another technique that the Pixies did legitimately lean on--the three-bar figure--by making the main figure five bars instead)
did Huskers du much with this technique?
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:22 (fourteen years ago)
No Geir, it doesn't. That doesn't stop me from thinking that it's the same trick though.
― Kim, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:30 (fourteen years ago)
(if u thought i was geir before...)
in the solo acoustic demo Black Francis cuts before the Purple Tape that was included as disc 1 of Frank Black Francis, Black Francis calls Caribou the song "that's supposed to sound like Husker Du"...Caribou kind of demonstrates what I'm talking about: it's never really quiet, in that the loud noisy end part is not played at that much greater volume than verses. Quiet/loud doesn't work. Whoever did the Pixies write up in the SPIN Alternative Record Guide (I think Weisbard...?) suggested 'cooked/raw' which I like a lot more. S Reynolds used 'luscious/haggard' which I totally love. Nirvana was quiet/loud, and I think Pixies pointed the way for that, but I don't they really hewed to that dynamic themselves
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
(oh u were actually talking to geir lol)
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsmuVA0m7c&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht9hcDFyVw
― brio, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:37 (fourteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-_Vtttrfc
― brio, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
lol. Yeah sorry, I'm on mobile and didn't bother to quote.
― Kim, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:41 (fourteen years ago)
Keep thinking about the Zombies "brief candles" in relation to this thread.
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:45 (fourteen years ago)
oh shit - missed this:
it's ridiculously easy to find examples of this. but that's not what was significant about kurt's songwriting style. the "grunge" thing under discussion isn't soft/loud/soft pop dynamics, it's the post-hardcore combination of that familiar strategy with deliberate, shrieking noise. therefore, yeah, squirrel bait, husker du, the pixies, nirvana, etc. dino jr, too.― contenderizer,
still fun to have an excuse to listen to suspicious minds this morning
― brio, Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:46 (fourteen years ago)
it's all good Kim, I just forgot Geir posted right above the post I responded to
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 19 May 2011 14:47 (fourteen years ago)
It's a similar old trick, that has been around since the baroque era. And that trick is all over Genesis' catalogue. The quite-verse-loud-chorus-build is still rather typical of grunge era songs though.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 21 May 2011 22:39 (fourteen years ago)
The Ballad of Jerry Curlan - Angry Samoans
― m0stlyClean, Monday, 23 May 2011 23:48 (fourteen years ago)
Beyond the Realms of Death-Judas Priest
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:05 (ten years ago)
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
― LimbsKing, Friday, 11 July 2014 22:08 (ten years ago)
more than a feeling
― brimstead, Friday, 11 July 2014 22:18 (ten years ago)
pre dating Squirrel Bait's mighty swirl.
'Refrigerator Heaven" The Freeze
― Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Friday, 11 July 2014 22:30 (ten years ago)
Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass - Without Her (1969)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP5eNQJpIjc
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