t/s: best SMOOTH HOUSE label

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glasgow underground?

or

paper recordings?

― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

best of UK '97 you mean

― blunt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

btw GU every time. - cheese, + deep & giving back to some US paroducers. Paper had a more clinical sound overall as well as a ""progressive"" slant. I dropped the ball after 1/2 dozen releases although I kept checking for a few years. GU also has Muzique Tropique, nuff said right?

Thread's a good idea in that (it reveals?) most ilmers seem to have held little interest in the genre during the last decade. If that's where we gotta start again, so be it!

― blunt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

would guidance be a "smooth house" label?

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

dial. pokerflat. kompakt.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

rofl

― Ronan, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

paroducers is my word of the week.

― blueski, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

beware of commerical ones

― blunt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

answer my guidance question dammit

― strongohulkington, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

sure and it's way better than either GU/Paper!

― blunt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

hmm I realize I don't know much about Guidance post-98 or so.

― blunt, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

if we're really talking "smooth" i don't think paper was ever quite so smooth (despite an act called "schmoov!") -- i think of them as fairly chunky/funky a lot of the time. i bought a ton but i have a hard time remembering much of it, though i did like crazy penis and i loved streetlife originals. i remember glasgow underground being a bit more chicago-ish, but maybe the romanthony signing is throwing me off.

anyway, might we throw DIY and mantis into the pot?

― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Naked?

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nu-Groove, although that's pushing it back a bit.

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

guidance might not quite count but it's awesome

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

btw i think guidance is finished, their online store is selling all of their stock and it's not coming back

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Thread's a good idea in that (it reveals?) most ilmers seem to have held little interest in the genre during the last decade. If that's where we gotta start again, so be it!

-- blunt, Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:44 AM (11 hours ago)

i think the form peaked about 10 years ago, which is why i picked the acts i did. after 2001 it was all dubby minimal house, pokerflat style.

so, blunt, what do you recommend?

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I recommend forgetting about that dead end and looking at the road!
So by smooth house you meant turn of the century jazz/disco samples with melodies consisting of a couple of alternating chords and the odd instrument sequenced along, rarely or blandly soloing? Brit sax house. And then Jizzanova noodled smokescreens of CD-changer muzak so Europe still figured it covered the roots thing somewhat.

It was the period when house started "going underground/back to the roots" (yeah..spare me) to resume its' natural progression in the US, with faraway places like Japan paying more (literally) attention.

After 2001 you were all dubby minimal house (aka techno fresh out of its' banging tribal phase). So was I, tired of spinning Moodymann records to tide me over until the next steps. Luckily I delved into disco heavily and then back to the good old producers or New York and Chicago.

btw you guys all up in the yay and nobody's repping OM? Be there beef or what. Is it b/c of Ka$hkade. Or the earnestly funky hip hop of PUTS. Shit is smoother than a newborn's butt! I'm coming to investigate all this and more tomorrow.

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

basic chanel

― am0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drd600/d642/d64248x7492.jpg

― tricky, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005Q6MT.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― tricky, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

yUCK. Destroy Naked's back catalogue and we'd all be better off. Apart from Summerland - "Soulmate" and we'd all be better off.

Anyway I always loved Soulfuric but that's more garage territory really...

― J@cob, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

i never really understand what blunt is saying

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

i am partial to that nude dimensions mix because it has my favorite morgan geist track and my favorite metro area track on it. otherwise i am pretty ignorant of much of the naked music catalog.

― tricky, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

what about various mr. fingers related labels?

― tricky, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

"the sun can't compare" is the smoothest acid ever.

― tricky, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

OM is shit easy listening....

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-150-12593-001.jpg
http://www.discogs.com/release/12593

I was really into this collection at the time. Haven't listened to it in years, but I remember that 2 lone swordsmen mix to be great

― sous les paves, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

I don't understand what the vahids mean by smooth house either then. I have the first few GU/Paper/Guidance releases but not a single Naked/OM record. Apart from a comp full of licenses. It's all good/bad house to me

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

What I think is smooth house: http://www.discogs.com/release/20175

― J@cob, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, anyway, isn't the answer Prescription?

― J@cob, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

That is the real answer to everything (as opposed to "42"). btw it's recently relaunched at prescriptionworld.com

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

.org that is! typical viagra cialis url

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

hmm yeah, prescription is quite good. track mode is even better ... but neither is really what i started the thread to talk about!! (keep yr soulful afro music off my thread, thx)

i am actually SPECIFICALLY after that circa-97 UK sound, it's one of my minor obsessions i've had since ... 1996

keep the answers coming ...

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

this is SMOOTH HOUSE:

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00000G6UE.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is and was the smoothest. The Alleviated label. I'm willing to bet that in a few years people will finally flip the "sun can't compare" record (or download the b-side!) and see where the real goodie always was. But maybe I should start the 2007 smooth house thread.

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I love Paper Recordings! I have about 20 12"s of theirs. I put away the turntables a couple of years ago, but I'd love it if they would put their stuff on eMusic...

― schwantz, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Sun Can't Compare the B-side?

xpost.

― jim, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

rofl

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

You did get the point though.

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/label/Pagan
http://www.discogs.com/label/NRK+Sound+Division
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― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Grow! doesn't like ilx code
http://www.discogs.com/label/grow!

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

(add the ! to the url)

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

ugh. GU and paper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NRK

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, the earliest nick holder stuff was cool. and i can always get down with ian pooley. but then miguel migs (who has NEVER done a single thing i can get down with) came along and singlehandedly ruined the label. and peace division. and halo + hipp-e, who started producing at exactly the same time that they started to suck. and rulers of the deep.

NRK became like the convention center for boring scenester house producers who were not musical enough to integrate 2step / broken beat touches, not tech savvy enough to pick up on minimal trends, and not manly enough to go the james lavelle route of really tough prog house.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

miguel migs is the posterboy for decaf dance music

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure how i feel about pagan.

there was "architecture" which was a really really big deal for me in 1998. and it has a track by AUBREY, can't fuck with that.

but aside from that they always seemed like the poor man's paper recordings, or a compromise between tech and house that somehow integrated the most rote "jazzy" / "soulful" aspects of house with the boring monotony of the worst 20:20 vision recordings.

20:20 vision ... now THERE's an overrated label ... i banged on about these guys for YEARS, until i realized the only things i liked about the label were dino + terry, lawson's LOVELEE DAE remixes, and a carl finlow track that wasn't even on 20:20!

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

i like ian pooley ok but then again i hated that one album of his from '99

― rps, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

haha ... GROW!

OK here's my thoughts on grow! / hi-lo / glory B.

first of all, i know you're just saying that the way i like to tell people the CHEAP were the greatest techno label of the 90s and mike taylor likes to tell people that it was actually SAHKO ... pure otaku points for being as underground as possible ...

also their work as memory foundation / ratio / skinless brothers is TOTALLY crucial ... that stuff is some of the greatest leftfield techno of all time, played out by everyone from mills to garnier to ken ishii to dj hell etc etc

but the stuff on grow! ... i dunno ... just seems weird to me to complain that the artists on this neuton comp weren't more famous. do i love pulsinger+tunakan and kotai+mo? yeah, of course. is there a reason they're not as famous as dj hell or daft punk or jeff mills? yes, there must be, one other than luck or keeping it real.

i dunno, i agree with you that grow! is great stuff. hi-lo in particular. they make me think of what REEL (they clear UK techno sublabel, not the sublime japanese jetpack techno sublabel) would be doing if they had made any money off that daniel ibbotson disc and not just closed shop ...

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

let me try again ... i LOVE LOVE LOVE this [url=[Removed Illegal Link] record[url] ... but even when i'm listening to it and enjoying it, i always realize that it's just too anonymous ... every one of those tracks bangs, but other than the immortal "claire", is there a single one that i'm like "whoa, that's the sound of iO right there" ... in other words there's not a track there that i don't think it could just be any other producer on any other label.

i feel the same way about grow!

the jeremiah tracks fit in nicely with just about any of the detroit-jocking stuff on soma ... vince watson or whoever ... the last disco superstars just sound like shinichi osawa or dj sneak ... the hi-lo tracks are probably the best, but like i said VERY daniel ibbotson sounding to my ears ...

i have this reaction to a lot of paper recordings tracks, too ... but not with glasgow underground, GU records have a very very specific sound to my ears, especially the kevin mckay related projects ... maybe that's why i would have to go with GU on this thread?

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/91628

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

i am really glad you brought them up though!

grow! is definitely recommended for anybody digging on soma / paper recordings.

does SOMA belong in this thread? i love soma comps vols 2/3/4/5/6/7/8. but they do seem more divided into tough / smooth / deep / techy sections instead of mixing all the styles up ...

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I am agreeing with you a lot here Vahid, on the stuff I've heard.

20/20 Vision is only highly rated cos it is British and it's been going for a long time. It's never blazed any kind of trail and is just fortunate that not techno not house became the genre du jour.

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

(and now that things are moving away from pleasant italo influenced disco house nobody will be caring too much about 20/20 vision again)

― Ronan, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/label/Wave+Music
http://www.discogs.com/label/Dessous+Recordings
http://www.discogs.com/label/Disque+Solid
http://www.discogs.com/label/Airtight
http://www.discogs.com/label/Sole+Music

― blunt, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

I love Paper Recordings! I have about 20 12"s of theirs. I put away the turntables a couple of years ago, but I'd love it if they would put their stuff on eMusic...

Not as reasonably priced as eMusic, but when you absolutely positively *must* hear that track... http://www.bleep.com/?label=Paper

― JefferyMac, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

a few to seek from paper recordings, which will tell you why I hold it in such high esteem:

holloway + eastwick - downtime (the vamp which comes in at 3:20 and the beat @ 3:55 changed my life)
schmoov! - chicken grease
stryker - can't stop
dirty jesus - don't fuck with my shit (salt city orchestra mix)

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

er, sorry that should be "schmoov"

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 April 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

"you rock me" is great, really really great, but "sun can't compare" is more quintessential heard which is why it's my pick. no one else would have made that b-line like that.

― tricky, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

WHOA DUDE WTF OWWESOME

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 April 2007 06:04 (nineteen years ago)

this is good too:
http://www.discogs.com/release/140109

If the Cheap catalog was repressed tomorrow, it would not make 1/4th the impact that the Sahko repress did.

― Display Name, Thursday, 12 April 2007 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

sahko = 10 db whisper
cheap = 5 db whisper

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 April 2007 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

sahko repress = No, no way, bullshit, you're lying, OH MY FUCKING GOD, I can finally get a copy of that!
cheap repress = Oh yeah, weren't they hair dressers or something?

― Display Name, Thursday, 12 April 2007 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

does this guy look like a hairdresser?

hey ... it's latebloomer!! (scroll down)

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 12 April 2007 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

You can buy almost everything from Paper at http://paperecordings.com/ in digital format. Pretty cool, but I have an emusic account - so that's why I wish they were on emusic.

― schwantz, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

hairdresser aesthetics >>>>> just about anything else

― tricky, Friday, 13 April 2007 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

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