The Beatles

gotta know how to have reach nirvana through music.. and beatles can do that.

gotta hear how vina beach vana thru music beatles norwegian burn my house down

gotta know how to have reach nirvana through music.. and beatles can do that.

Gotta be the 60s Nirvana then, as the 90s Nirvana had little in common with The Beatles musically. :)

turn me on, dead man.

not sure i know this band, anyone got any info?

The Beatles

whoever they are, i think it's cute how they spell their name :D

i only really liked the early 7 inches when sutcliffe and best were still in the band

(xxpost) oh FFS whatta shit band, their name is just a take off of Buddy Holly & The Crickets...

I was listening to Please Please Me in my car today, and goddamn, I never noticed just how fucking AWFUL that CD sounds. "Do You Want To Know A Secret?" is nearly unlistenable, despite being a great song. Are there any rumours that new editions are being worked on?

And also, does Please Please Me sound better on vinyl?

Fuck yes! It sounds brilliant on vinyl. It practically leaps outta the speakers. Sounds like there's a band playing right in front of you.

intercourse

This sounds great

Where's Steve Hoffman when you need him?

I was listening to Please Please Me in my car today, and goddamn, I never noticed just how fucking AWFUL that CD sounds.

The 1986 mono mix is horrible. Recent stereo bootlegs sound great, although the fact that it was recorded on two tracks means it will never sound really great in stereo (and nothing does in mono).

Where is the goddamn Naked thread?

GET BACK

For some California grass

Geir rules the day. I'm not even going to stand in his way.

I like a lot of the new groups- The Beatles, The Beards and the whoever.

Get back
to where you once belonged

Don't let me down

don't you know it's gonna last
it's a love that lasts forever
it's a love that has no past

wow, a love that has no past! Lennon lovers take note.

Bimble's gonna be quiet now, he promises, but Beatles are sacred, sacred ground.

I for one welcome our new Liverpudlian overlords.

when the rain comes they run and hide their heads
they might as well be dead
when the raaaaiin cooomes.....
when the raaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnn cooooooooooommmmees....

"A Butt in the Life" by the Buttles

I read the news today oh butt
About a lucky man who made the butt
And though the butt was rather sad
Well I just had to laugh
I saw the photograph
He blew his butt out in a car
He didn't notice that the lights had butts
A crowd of butts stood and stared
They'd seen his butt before
No butt was really sure
If he was from the House of Butts.

I saw a butt toda oh boy
The English Army had just won the butt
A crowd of butts turned awa
but I just had to look
Having read the butt
I'd butt to turn you on

Woke butt, fell out of butt,
Dragged a butt across my butt
Found my way downstairs and drank a butt
And looking up I noticed I was butt
Found my butt and grabbed my butt
Made the butt in seconds flat
Found my way upstairs and had a butt,
and somebody spoke and I went into a butt

I read the news today oh butt
Four thousand butts in Blackbutt, Lancashire
And though the butts were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many butts it takes to fill the Albert Hall

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Beatles1.gif

neat

Not sure how they're making those determinations, though. Ringo came up with a line or two for "Eleanor Rigby," and suggested "look at all the lonely people" as the chorus.

who is the "outside contributor" for "Julia", Yoko...?

Also, were George Martin's arrangements not "contributions"?

Nice. If accurate, more collaboration that I thought--at some point, I think I internalized the idea that, with prominent exceptions like "A Day in the Life," Lennon/McCartney almost always meant Lennon or McCartney.

Lol at "Flying" and "Dig It." Never realized before that John had written almost all of A Hard Day's Night

yeah that was my main take from it. I guess that explain's the albums v. consistent style.

Show how much George would have been pretty frickin major had he been in any other band. (Ignoring all the usual alternate-universe shit about how in another band he might not have been inspired to write, and maybe had he been in another band he would caused a butterfly to flapped his wings and make Borneo disappear, or Bono disappear, or something.)

Um, "shows," and "flap," sorry, but you get the idea.

I doubt George would have been anything than a decent guitarist in any other band whose two leaders inspired his best playing and writing.

um yeah, that's the usual alternate-universe shit

Go through the looking-glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THbvc3lx2pk

love george but he didn't really have enuff swag to be a guitar hero in a non-beatles band IMO

Think I meant to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_am82sYFXU&feature=related

Sorry to be all markers/frogman henry reposting the same non-sequitur embed but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdAX7E34zkg&feature=related

Without Ravi Shankar's influence, George would not have been as good a sitar player.

I doubt George would have been anything than a decent guitarist in any other band whose two leaders inspired his best playing and writing.

man, you need to re-listen the early stuff to realize how massive of a player george was in terms of his contributions to the band sound. he was uniquely creative right from the beginning, in fact i would say his licks were pretty much unparalleled at the time (say, 62-64). the guy virtually invented a whole guitar vocabulary all by himself and i'm only taking into account the pre-psych beatles shit.

Without Ravi Shankar's influence, George would not have been as good a sitar player.

My youtube meandering ultimately led me to some Beatle bloopers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nPtbbO0c98&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2R4_jL1-Ts&feature=endscreen&NR=1

ringo should have filmed douglas adams' spec script for "goodnight vienna", that's my opinion

i totally forgot about that, I see the script finally got published a few years back. b-ark is in it apparently (which got recycled twice!)

I did win a copy of the triple album along with the accompanying songbook from the Long Island Press

nice! long island press was a queens thing? i don't recall seeing it around me. in nassau county it was "good times."

Apparently so! Never thought about that before, made assumptions since it had "Long Island" in the title. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Daily_Press

I believe at one point Lou O'Neill Jr. migrated to the NY Post along with his soulmate Headphone Dan Aquilante

Surely you read Wayne Robins in Newsday back in the day?

Heh, further discussion of Lou O’Neill Jr. here, including me telling a version of the same story I just recounted upthread: The end of Circus Magazine

And some further hilarious Beatles-related Lou O’Neill Jr. anecdotes on another borad: https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1495183

#onethread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU79J--YFcE

Surprisingly informative interview with Giles Martin:

https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/music-stage/2024/07/06/giles-martin-beatles-producer-george-love/

In relation to the Beatles' current projects, it mentions this:

It wasn’t until his father died that Martin was approached to begin remixing the Beatles albums starting with Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, a project he initially turned down.

“I said no. Why would you want to remix an album that doesn’t sound bad? They said they thought it could be interesting. So I agreed to do a few songs, and The Beatles liked them, so I kept going.”

Martin’s relationship with McCartney has made him a witness to a constant war with ‘good enough’.

“I mean, he’s a musical genius, obviously, but it’s more than that. I’ll work with the guy on a horn arrangement, and we’ll finish, and it will be good. And then we’ll play it and Paul will say, ‘yeah, but it just sounds like a horn arrangement. What’s different about it? How about this?’

“And it’ll be really annoying, but it will be a really good idea. It’s always a challenge, that’s how it should be. It feels like most people today are scared of being challenged.”

Martin is far from done with The Beatles catalogue. Next, there’s Rubber Soul, Magical Mystery Tour, Yellow Submarine and, because of the AI techniques that he’s been using to separate individual strands of the recordings, he’s excited about the opportunity to dive back into the band’s early material in a way that was previously impossible.

"So I agreed to do a few songs, and The Beatles Paul liked them, so I kept going.”

Lennon rolls over in his grave

roll over Johntoven

George scowls from above

Harrison, that is

Ringo: "I'm just happy to be here!"

"I think there’s a lot to be said for not having a clue what you’re doing. I’m 54 years old and I still feel like I’m making it up as I go along."

Just amazing what one can accomplish when you're the son of George Martin.

Just for once I would love it if the interviewer picked up on that chestnut. The old "I don't know what I'm doing, it just falls into place" chestnut. It's supposed to be self-effacing, but it just gives the impression that the interviewee relies heavily on their interns. Or they're the kind of CEO who claims to work sixteen hours a day, but actually spends most of that time updating their LinkedIn profile or attending luncheons. Or at the very least they believe that hard work is for morons, and natural brilliance will win the day.

If only the chap who was put in charge of rescuing everybody from the cruise liner conducted light entertainment interviews. You know. Captain De Falco. The Costa Concordia bloke:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16599655

"And what, do you want to go home, Schettino? It's dark, so you want to go home?" That's the kind of tone that's missing from light entertainment news.

I remember that Gerry Anderson used to say the same thing. He used to almost boast that his successes had been accidental. Every fibre of my being wanted to respond with "is that why Terrahawks and Space Precinct were massive flops, then? Is that why you've been unable to get a show off the ground for the last twenty years? Is that why your entire Century 21 empire is dead and gone and forgotten, and you're an old man surrounded by stupid little puppets that mock you with their silence, mock you, laugh at you, laughing at you, little puppets laughing at you, also you were adopted".

I remember staring at the pages and mouthing those words with my mind. But it's too late. He escaped. He fled down the tunnel of death, ahead of me. Beatles Beatles something about the Beatles. Insert something about the Beatles here. The Beatles. Imaging beating a man called Les. You would literally beat les.

No denying the Beatles, the Stones, etc. are big names, but in terms of the actual technical work on their archival releases, it's a really their own tiny operation, and you see this reflected in the interviews with Giles and anyone else on these projects - it's usually very few people doing the actual work and making the decisions before running it by "the Beatles" (Paul, Ringo, the Lennon and Harrison estates) for approval.

The Love anecdote suggests this as well - he has access to Abbey Road, but it's him alone fiddling on a computer in a small room with no speakers. So I don't doubt he's got technical skill, but when he's kind of on his own and he's never had oversight or worked his way up in a rigid organization like his father did at EMI (i.e. there's no mentoring, no procedural workflow he has to learn and follow each step of the way), I can see why he would say "I'm making it up as I go along." It's a big difference compared to a newly recorded album by someone like the Stones or McCartney where they're bouncing through numerous studios, sending stuff to different artists (and presumably engineers, maybe even producers), etc.

idk maybe too much agonistes but i don't know what the hell i'd say if someone asked me how i accomplished what i accomplished. "what are you, daft? my dad's george martin, if it wasn't for him, i'd probably be working retail"? i genuinely don't think i'd be able to live with myself if i believed that.

Happy Birthday to Ringo Starr, who won the internet back in the day with this pic.twitter.com/KDfG6NCalD

— Eric Alper 🎧 (@ThatEricAlper) July 7, 2023

I forgot to say "Peace and Love" at noon, sorry

yeah, I mean, Giles was attending sessions as a little kid. He was definitely being trained by his dad. You could say it is kind of true that he is making it up as he goes along as far as the de-mixing stuff, that technology is so new and Beatles are so high profile. I think they would have to be the first major artist doing that kind of intense software tweaking to process separate elements of an old tape.

Greg, on the other hand…

I think they would have to be the first major artist doing that kind of intense software tweaking to process separate elements of an old tape.

Yeah, but back in the day i felt like I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

Jim Hoberman reviews TWST / Things We Said Today, a new essay film that "treats the Fab Four’s Shea Stadium concert as a window into the dreams and nightmares of the summer of 1965." (The film recently opened at the NYFF.) Hoberman was also a resident of Queens when the Shea Stadium concert happened, and his memories of that time are wonderful to read. For example, he recounts seeing the enormous crowd around the Warwick on 54th and 6th (where the Beatles are staying), one street over from MoMA where he was regularly attending films, and he also points out that merely three days later, Bob Dylan & the Hawks would take Dylan's newly electrified show to Forest Hill Stadium, also in Queens and not far from Shea.

*Forest Hills

I should've fact checked, but most reports say Dylan played Forest Hills on August 28, not August 18. Forest Hills Stadium's own website says the 18th, but I'm guessing this was a mistake or typo. It's possible Hoberman was going by their claim, not actually remembering the exact date. Still, his point stands - for two weeks, I can imagine that far end of Queens seeming like the center of the universe.

Another Disney+ Beatles film coming produced by Scorsese: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/beatles-documentary-martin-scorsese-disney-release-date-1236176871/

Sounds like a new edit of The First U.S. Visit using previously unused footage.

Cool, maybe he'll interview Hoberman and some others from neighborhood.

Here'a a work tape setlist---haven't run it by Paul and Ringo yet, but see what yall think: adds, deletions, re-sequences?

The Beatles---White Pepper Spray Tour:

1. Dear Prudence
2. Good Morning Good Morning
3. Paperback Writer
4. Rain
5. Fixing A Hole
6. Getting Better
7. Rocky Racoon
8. She Said She Said
9. Yer Blues
10.Julia
11.For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite
12.Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
13.A Day In The Life
(minus final chord---instead, 10 seconds of abrupt silence)
12. Tomorrow Never Knows
13. Taxman
14. I Am The Walrus

Good -

Ronnie Spector
Concert recordings sound better, the original footage looks and sounds good
All the 'on the street' interviews are fascinating. Amazing, beautiful faces! Could have been a separate documentary of its own

Bad -

Contemporary interviews, who gives a shit about Jack Douglas travelling to Liverpool? Also Sananda Maitreya???
Billie Eilish's hackneyed, Netflix film trailer version of All My Loving
Way too much Murray The K
Poorly constructed and generally disparate

I haven't seen the Maysles' film in ages, but I wish they'd give that a proper deluxe Blu-ray release. (They could've added all the additional footage used in the new Disney doc as a bonus feature.) Hopefully that'll happen soon, I'd definitely get it.

xpost All of this on the money. Love the old New Yawk accents on those teenage kids. Especially the teenage girls trying to hustle their way past an unnecessarily aggro hotel security guard.

I still await the general release of Andrei Ujică's TWST / Things We Said Today, which sounds like it could be a genuinely good film, maybe really good, but I'm surprised to see yet another Beatles film coming out on top of the authorized Disney+ documentary now streaming and the upcoming four-film hydra that Sam Mendes will likely direct:

Midas Man (Joe Stephenson, 2024, U.K., 112m)

The seismic impact of the Beatles on popular culture continues to reverberate 60 years after they took The Ed Sullivan Show by storm in February 1964. Yet that revelatory TV appearance never would have taken place—and the band may never have been discovered at all—if not for Brian Epstein, the owner of a furniture and record store with an eye for style and an ear for music, who happened upon the eventual “Fab Four” at Liverpool’s Cavern Club in 1961 and would go on to become the Beatles’ manager until 1967. Epstein summons a mythic stature himself: Jewish and gay, Epstein was an eternal outsider in British culture before dying at age 32 of an accidental drug overdose. Joe Stephenson’s empathetic biopic, written by Brigit Grant and starring Jacob Fortune-Lloyd (The Queen’s Gambit), tells Epstein’s story with style and compassion. The outstanding supporting cast includes Jonah Lees as John Lennon, Blake Richardson as Paul McCartney, Emily Watson and Eddie Marsan as Epstein’s parents, and Jay Leno as Ed Sullivan (blech).

FWIW, this is still easily one of the very best Beatles-related films I've ever seen and much of that has to do with the lead performance. It'll be interesting to see how Jacob Fortune-Lloyd fares in Midas Man.

Yeah, said film you've linked there is great. Need to get that fancy upgrade of a release (I have the original DVD run).

The Hours and the Times IS the best Beatles-related film.

Second runner-up being a tie between The Compleat Beatles and The Rutles. (I heard from Chris Molanphy years back that apparently the Idle/Innes bunch got a hold of the then-in-the-works Compleat -- presumably via Harrison, given his cameo appearance in Rutles -- and used it as a relative guide to help their parody land so well; I'm still amazed at how many beats they got right on a technical level in terms of footage and grain to seem like the real thing.)

Midas Man is okay, almost completely without any real drama or tension (but that's maybe not a bad thing), it looks and feels like every British music biopic made in the 21st Century

I’ve never heard of Compleat Beatles!

You've missed out! Don't think it's ever been rereleased but honestly for all that it's doing some inevitable burnishing I'll take it over the continuing later examples through to the present.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compleat_Beatles

Ah, you're in luck, Internet Archive has it:

https://archive.org/details/the-compleat-beatles-1982

Never seen Compleat, but I've seen the box at many a video store back in the day. I think it was the only Beatles doc that really had wide distribution, and there weren't so many Beatles docs back then anyway.

Compleat is so good. My folks had it on vhs and I watched it like every day as a toddler.

By process of elimination, I'm pretty sure I watched The Compleat on PBS in the summer of '90 as I was discovering the Beatles. It felt awfully serious, had narration (don't remember registering McDowell), and was long.

The one thing I remember about that doc is the young girl from 1966 who says she prefers "Herman and the Hermits" to the Beatles.

My favorite was the “musicologist” who deemed they began making proper music with Pepper.

While wearing a monocle and drinking out of a teacup.

wow dave grohl wore a monocle??!!?!

A monocle, but no condoms.

Who told Dave Grohl a monocle was as good as a condom?

His AIDS-denier bandmate, probably.