Eyeless In Gaza...

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During a dig around my music room this weekend I came across three pre-recorded tapes by Eyeless In Gaza which I've had since the late 80s which seems to cover most of their output, but there's a few things that have bothered me since I started playing them again.

1) How come they suddenly changed around 1983 from a synth duo with arty aspirations into a jangle pop group? I mean that the last two albums "Rust red September" and "Back from the rains" sound like Lloyd Cole with a headcold, or something like that. What actually happened? Were they trying to go commercial?

2) How come nobody seems to mention them anywhere? Is there a decent website about their history?

3) Does anyone out there in ILM-land like them anyway? The early stuff is incredibly primal, wired guitar lines over simple synths which sound either very dated or very forward looking depending on how you feel, while the later stuff is actually rather nice, in a pre-Sarah Records kind of way.

So, info please!

Rob M, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There is an Eyeless in Gaza compilation due out later this month: maybe a good starting place?:

Cherry Red:

Eyeless In Gaza Sixth Sense - The Singles Collection CDMRED 209

Eyeless In Gaza are a classic slice of Cherry Red history and this singles collection is a perfect release for the re fans - new and old. The 27 track CD features every A and B side released on Cherry Red and includes the Indie Chart hit singles "Veil Like Calm", "New Risen" And "Sun Bursts In". Martyn Bates and Peter Becker married a rare lyricism with technology in a unique way, enabling their work to still sound fresh and up to date. The booklet features a complete discography plus sleeve notes by the band.

Kodak Ghosts Run Amok / China Blue Vision / The Feelings Mutual / Invisibility / Plague Of Years / Three Kittens / Others / Jane, Dancing / Everpresent / Avenue With Trees / Veil Like Calm / Taking Steps (Original Version) / New Risen / Bright Play Of Eyes / Scent On Evening Air / Drumming The Beating Heart / Sun Bursts In / Lilt Of Music / Inky Blue Sky / Tell / Welcome Now / Sweet Life Longer / New Love Here / Back From The Rains / Evening Music / Far Lands Blue / Catch Me

DJ Martian, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like them, much to Everett True's disdain. ;-) I have some AMG reviews up and about. An acquired taste, but they have their own particular way around things.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw them live 4 or 5 times back *then*. They weren't much good mainly due to Martyn Bates' horribly mannered vocals. They were very prolific on record from about 81-83 and a couple of the early albums are OK. Caught in Flux has some skeletally funky trax in among the pastoral angst, and is worth a listen, as are Drumming The Beating Heart and the debut Photographs As Memories. The two albums you mentioned, Rob, were indeed more commercial and fairly horrible IIRC. I think they might have made a comeback of sorts in the 90's, but the moment had passed.

Dr. C, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rust Red September is their BEST album
gorgeous avant-gone-newpop
it's kindred in some ways to other bands' transitions/cusps:
Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
Virgin Prunes - If I Die I Die
Clock DVA - Advantage
Associates - Sulk
A Certain Ratio - I'd Like To See You Again

and the Daddy -
Magazine - Correct Use Of Soap

Back From The Rains
is where they fell off
with only "Evening Music" capturing the earlier vibe

course, this is all muddied now by the many-bonus-tracked reissues

like with some of those other albums, as a fan i was initially suspicious
now i'm surprised few others get it, but then everyone hates the ACR album, too... (which i did too, at first)

Paul, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

preemptive strike: Legend sod off!

(if Eyeless were artwankprog wasters then they're in good company: Wire, et al)

Paul, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul - interesting list, and I can see where you're coming from on "I'd like to see you again". It was the second ACR record I bought - after "Graveyard and the ballroom" - and it sounded so different that I couldn't get my head around it but perserverance won out, but in preparation for the SoulJazz compilation I dug it out again last week and reckon it's one of their best albums, more consistent than "Sextet" or "To each", anyway.

But back to EIG - I'd not thought of it as 'new pop', and they were a year too late anyway weren't they? I can remember an NME from 1983 slagging them off for trying to jump on the Tears For Fears bandwagon which doesn't really make sense, they sounded nothing like each other.

It's reassuring to see that there are others out there who know of EIG and like and respect the music. Urgh, did I just say that? Shoot me please!

Rob M, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i are not alone?

here's a few other Eyeless thoughts:
* named after an Aldous Huxley novel - which i've read but can't remember, duh...
* Pale Saints named after track on largely instrumental Pale Hands I Loved So Well album
* Sebadoh occasionally used to get called 'Industrial Folk' a tag i feel fits EIG better
* if Eyeless resemble any prog band it's got to be Van Der Graaf Generator
- 'difficult' singer
- relentless experimentation
- strange verging on gonzoid lyrics (debut Photographs As Memories album especially)
- something there that makes even the not-so-good stuff seem interesting
* some of their instrumentals seem kin of Zoviet France, Hafler Trio, etc (pagan power, protest?)
precursors of Boards Of Canada, etc
* most fans seem to favour Drumming The Beating Heart, another fine album
* John Rivers' production is part of what makes Rust Red September so good
* Ned likes 'em too, what more do you need to know?...

Paul, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Eyeless in Gaza (the book by Huxley) is great. Super. Fantastic. Read it.

Orange, Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

seven months pass...
I saw a vinyl copy of the Pale Hands I Loved So Well LP from '82 in a second-hand shop window today. Worth getting?

zebedee, Friday, 6 December 2002 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I named my zine after their second album. Even so, their debut (_Photos as Memories_) is my favorite for its sheer strangeness - love the sparse synth lines.

mike a (mike a), Friday, 6 December 2002 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

Sad that there's not more talk on these dudes - I have been really digging Rust Red September and Photographs as Memories, and I'm very curious to track down their double album from '07. Anyone heard it?

Simon H., Tuesday, 18 August 2009 10:26 (sixteen years ago)

five years pass...

where does one start with these guys?

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 15:42 (ten years ago)

depends what sounds you're after really. 'drumming the beating heart' is my favourite one of the earlier albums when they were more of a discordant post-punk thing, although they had started moving into somewhat prettier songs by this stage. 'rust red september' was the peak of their shinier indie-pop phase and is a highpoint for many fans, but i'm not really all that into the sound of it tbh.

where they really get great in my opinion is when they start making the folk influence more explicit. 'all under the leaves, the leaves of life' is a fucking masterpiece albeit a sadly neglected one, and it mixes dark folk songs with heavier sounds. not entirely representative of the rest of the album, but check out the song 'struck like jacob marley' which is kind of like a spectral version of 'yoo doo right':
http://open.spotify.com/track/1YiQs0OuVf4AZ0Q0tkn6gY

of the later albums, 'everyone feels like a stranger' from 2011 is really strong record as was 'answer song and dance'. not head the last couple i'm afraid :(

Frank 4ad (NickB), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:13 (ten years ago)

thanks for the pointers, I'll def check those out

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:14 (ten years ago)

nb: what i said is kind of the total opposite of what most people would tell you i think

Frank 4ad (NickB), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:21 (ten years ago)

this is my single favourite martyn bates song, completely mesmerising to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijacIJHnGMU

Frank 4ad (NickB), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:44 (ten years ago)

flute in that makes me think of ghost's quieter moments, it's like seeing a sudden ripple on the surface of a pond - only then do you notice the stillness of the moment

Frank 4ad (NickB), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 16:47 (ten years ago)

NickB OTM about all under the leaves, the leaves of life - a super later CD album with stronger folk influence incorporated plus heavy sonics, great on headphones!

one thing I forgot to mention upthread is what a breath of fresh air Martyn Bates' guitar playing was in the early 80's: chords I've never heard anyone else play, highly rhythmic, spartan not showy and on the instrumentals conjuring both the elements and dark psychological states. took me surprisingly long to hear the Robert Wyatt influence in his voice - like Wyatt with the intensities of Peter Hammill.

I bought the early albums chronologically from '82 onwards and was very excited by Drumming The Beating Heart with tunes like "One By One", "Picture The Day" and "Pencil Sketch". then I feel they got even better on Rust Red September with my faves: "Pearl And Pale", "Taking Steps" and "Bright Play Of Eyes".

funnily enough I was turned on to them by an L.A.-based fanzine: Beyond The Pale.

Paul, Friday, 5 June 2015 14:09 (ten years ago)

Alan McGee is a fan too - he once singled out Drumming… as a personal fave. he also said Eyeless were soulful, that is: soulful in a Joy Division way.

Paul, Friday, 5 June 2015 14:19 (ten years ago)

One of those strange unique bands that emerged at that particular place and time and plowed its own furrows all the more over the moons, I now realize.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:23 (ten years ago)

rediscovering eyeless a few years back sent me scurrying back down various other rabbit holes to see what other long-lived indie bands i'd been overlooking all this time: band of holy joy, and also the trees... can't remember who else, but none of them were quite a good imo (open to other suggestions btw)

was a pleasant surprise seeing the dead c mentioning their early records as a key influence in the wire magazine piece from a year or so ago, though i have to say that i often find bates' voice on some of that stuff a little too grating

this thread made me listen to 'answer song and dance' again - great album, and well worth checking if you've been sleeping on their later stuff

Frank 4ad (NickB), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:51 (ten years ago)


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