Why do you analyze everything?

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Why don't you guys just listen to what you want? I mean I have no problem discussing music but don't ask "Is this band good or not?" because that just shows you don't have any personality or knowledge of music. If someone hates the Beatles but loves Blink 182 does that make them less of a person? I say no, I embrace people who go against the norm.

By the way, I hate anti-trendy 20-somethings who bash things just because they're popular. For some reason they think they're better than other people just because they're to indie bands and still listen to records. That seems like a large majority of the people who post here.

― Simpson, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love blink 182.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hi there simpson, welcome to ilm!

i think the reason we analyse things is probably something close to the reason you are analysing this. curiosity and interest. plus, i like to think, and i like to hear what other people think. usually, all the people i know ask me hey what do you think of x, and i'm interested in their take too. ilm is, well, the same really.

i love popular things, and less popular things too

― gareth, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The unexamined life is not worth living, yo.

(PS Sterl you are less of a person on this point I refuse to budge.)

― Josh, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously. I put "Take off your pants.." on the other day, and it blew me away.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Simpson is caught in a tragic "post-before-reading" misunderstanding. I think the vast majority of the 20-somethings on this board are more than happy to proclaim love for popular acts; I know for a fact that there are staunch defenders of Shakira, Destiny's Child, Pink, Enrique Iglesias, Jennifer Lopez, Linkin Park, and Alicia Keys. (No, I'm not just talking about myself.)

― Dan Perry, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hahahaha SURE.

― Josh, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a joke somewhere in Sterling's confession, but I'm too tired to fish for it.

And who sez we AREN'T listening to what we want? Are you confusing ILM with some sort of pro-US-indie torch bearer? Or, worse yet, some sort of pro-pop/dance rock bashing machine?

Kinda odd that ye talk about embracing those that buck the norm after using the hate-Beatles / love-Blink comparison, since loving Blink is probably the norm. That is, outside certain circles.

In other words, cf. Josh's comment, yo.

― Daver, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Your Web Guide, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

don't ask "Is this band good or not?" because that just shows you don't have any personality or knowledge of music

This is my new motto.

― mark s, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously. I put "Take off your pants.." on the other day, and it blew me away.
Put those pants back on, man. We already knew that Blink-182 blew.

― Sean Carruthers, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Simpson, eh?"

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ahem... they were two different thoughts. I was saying how everyone should be an individual. I was saying I have no problem if someone likes Blink and hates the beatles, yet many people do. My second thought was entirely different and it was that I dislike people that hate popular things just because they're popular. Beatniks who hang out in poetry cafes spouting off about how commercial the world is becoming. The people who wore abercrombie 6 years ago before it became popular and consider the people that wear it now to be inferior.

― Simpson, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Abercrombie Beatniks!

Anyway, seriously, every time I hear Anthem Pt. II it hits a little deeper. & I was listening to "First Date" anyway to see what all the fuss was about on NYLPM & I still didn't get it -- I mean, its just a sweet aching song.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

everyone shd be an individual except sterling: he shd be a troupe

― mark s, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

More seriously, Simpson -- you're coming in thinking that 'analyzing' is somehow the problem -- rubbish. One can flat out adore, be in raptures by, etc. something and still want to talk about it in more detail. If you don't think that's the case, then I think you're in for a very rude awakening. We ask for opinion on this board because we're interested in hearing what others have to say, and that includes you -- but if you're only here just to insult everybody and engage in broad stereotypes, then ask us why we should pay further attention.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And that said -- I have no problem at all in the slightest if something is popular or not when it comes to whether I like something, and you'll notice others on this thread are saying the same thing, and say it at many points on the board. You're among friends! So why bother trying to initially make nothing but enemies?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I insulted anyone and if I have then I apologize. Once again I was giving my opinion.. isn't that what you encourage? I guess it wasn't clear as to who I don't like. I never said I had a problem with any of you people, I don't even know you. I'm saying I hate people who don't like popular things just so they can consider themselves hip and anti-commercial. I'm saying like what you want, popular or not. Don't dislike things for the wrong reasons. Anyone can like whatever they want, in my opinion, but don't do it just for the satisfaction that you're not following the crowd.

― Simpson, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was saying how everyone should be an individual.
That always seems kinda silly to me. As though society does not play a role in your choices. I am not saying we are all sheep. But could the punk movement (SexPistols,...) *now* emerge? I don't think so. We all react against our surrounding. Some follow, some reject,... I like to analyze because it gives insight in why I make the choices that I make. This probably influences me. So what? Understanding your choices, makes it (sometimes) easier to voice them. I am more interested in someone who can clarify his/her thoughts than a kid who merely says "Oh Beatles suck, man." (Doesn't make his/her dislike of the Beatles *bad* naturally.).

― nathalie, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I automatically hate stuff that's popular because most people are idiots, so anything they like is automatically shit! What's so hard to understand about that? Just because I have superior tastes and the verbal skills to put down anyone who doesn't share them, should I tolerate other people's stupid opinions? Of course not! Sheesh.

― dave q, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I insulted anyone and if I have then I apologize.

Well, great -- because face it, lines in your first post like "That seems like a large majority of the people who post here" after expressing hate for a certain kind of person seems like an insult to me. How would you have taken it if the roles were reversed?

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, you're really starting to get on my nerves. You took what I said out of context. I said it seems like many people here dislike things just because they're popular. I never said any insults or made fun of their mothers. You need to get a grip, pal, and understand I'm not looking for an "online battle". It seems like you have a problem with what I have to say... does it possibly hit close to home?

― Simpson, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There is a very good very simple reason to hate stuff that is popular: you hear it too much, you get sick of it, you get sick of people praising it. Damn I'm glad that I like the Beatles, because if I found hearing a Beatles song just once even slightly annoying (in a purely aesthetic emotional/gut-reaction sense) then multiply that by the amount of times the average person hears the Beatles and hears them praised in their life, and you get HATE SHITE HATE KILL DIE etc. Perhaps a better example (and this is true): I thought Moby's 'Play' was kind of cool when it came out. Now, GOD I HATE MOBY.

― Keith McDougall, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone can like whatever they want, in my opinion, but don't do it just for the satisfaction that you're not following the crowd.

I seriously doubt that (a) anyone actually thinks they do this even if other people think they do--getting someone to admit this is sort of like trying to get someone in the incipient stages of alcoholism to admit they have a drinking problem, and (b) the more you examine ILM, the more difficult you'll find it to peg ANYONE on here (since that's where you're posting) as doing one or the other. I think a lot of us do some combination of following to see where the parade leads (that's why I burned Original Pirate Material, and I love it), seeking new things that others haven't mentioned yet (everybody go to www.othermusic.com and order the Kid America and the Action Figures CD!) and diverging from conventional wisdom (I think you're all nuts to hate the Moldy Peaches).

Relax and look around awhile, and welcome aboard.

― M Matos, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

does it possibly hit close to home?

Nope. Heed Mr. Matos' advice immediately above and just take the time to get a better sense of the board.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anybody who wants to know what they can and can't listen to can contact me and I'll give my judgement on their choices. My word is final. Nothing made after 1992 will be acceptable, no band with Liverpudlians (sorry but they are bad people), no one from America except The Doors & The Pixies, no one from any continent except Europe, as long as they are from Manchester England. Oh, I might as well just tell you: Joy Division and New Order, The Smiths , The Happy Mondays, Stone Roses, Northside & The Paris Angels. If anyone likes anybody apart from these bands then they are sooo uncool that their opinion doesn't count and I will not even talk to them. Not even through the medium of the keyboard. I have spoken, hear Me!

― Kevin Sundance, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh btw, people who wear Abercrombie are inferior.

― Sean, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember my early posts. I remember calling everybody on here "insufferable cunts".

This guy's positively gushing in comparison.

― Nick Southall, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

we remember them too nick: we all called each other "insufferable cunt" for weeks!! it was top!!!

― mark s, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone who actually listens to Blink 182 for musical pleasure is a dickhead by definition. I'm one of the few fascists on ILM who think those who publicly admit to PREFERRING Blink 182 to the Beatles should be banned from the fourm.

"Embrace people who go against the norm?" Nu-metal is the fucking norm, Norm.

I know you're only joking Simpson, but then again, so am I ;)

― Chris Sallis, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm curious what thread Simpson was reading that produced his inital reaction to the board.

― bnw, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I probably made some suspect comments on one of the charts threads

― Ron, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterl, you dickhead.

― Josh, Monday, 15 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, young grasshoppah.

― static, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh how I miss those days, Nick Southall.

― Josh, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

why are you analyzing my analysis of your analysing analysis?

― Queen G, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can we go back to refering to everyone as an insufferable cunt?

Can we post threads like X insufferable cunt or self-superior wank?

Does being an insufferable cunt rock?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Brother Simpson....the thing of it is is that aside from the handful of guys here Ned Flanderized enough to politely take the time to respond to your baboon-simple 1994 comments and welcome you here, you are being humored in the most gargantuan of ways......just letting you know what the shot is, duke.

― Ramosi, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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