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― Pashmina, Monday, 23 April 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)
The DX7 is a massive dud not because of FM synthesis itself, but because its interface ushered in a wave of preset-based synths and preset-based music made with them. Yamaha decided to save money by not outfitting it with the usual knobs and sliders to control its functions, and so it was extremely difficult to make new sounds - you have to move through endless submenus and enter in parameter values on a tiny screen, instead of just grabbing a knob and turning. Thus, most people who bought one just used the sounds it came with: the DX7 piano etc.
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― PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)
I'm usually of the opinion that there's some truth to what Geir says, even if it seems way, WAY off the mark most of the time. But he's just spouting garbage here.
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 5 January 2009 08:05 (seventeen years ago)
Branching from Post a controversial music opinion
There's a technological reason too, I think. The eighties got the flood of affordable digital gadgets, and it took a while to sort out how to use them most effectively.The default patches built into the Yamaha DX7 were so pervasive throughout the 80s precisely because programming your own was so incredibly difficult. The DX7's 11. E.PIANO 1 and 15 BASS 1 *is* the sound of the 80s in my head.― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, July 27, 2023 7:55 PM (three days ago)I remember reading that the keyboard sound on Miles Davis's Star People was literally preset A1 on the Oberheim synth.― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, July 27, 2023 8:20 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglinkDid New Order ever use DX7? For a band that probably had the chance to toy with every gadget coming out in the 80s, their records don’t really have the awkward 80s textures and timbre even while sounding quintessentially 80s. I don’t know much about their gear though!― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Friday, July 28, 2023 5:40 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglinkDunno about NO but Prince certainly did! I was surprised to read that he was also a big preset user and only made minor tweaks on his synth patches.― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, July 28, 2023 5:50 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglinkcreating new sounds in FM synthesis is insanely complicated and frustrating and time consuming― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, July 28, 2023 6:09 AM (two days ago)
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, July 27, 2023 7:55 PM (three days ago)
I remember reading that the keyboard sound on Miles Davis's Star People was literally preset A1 on the Oberheim synth.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, July 27, 2023 8:20 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Did New Order ever use DX7? For a band that probably had the chance to toy with every gadget coming out in the 80s, their records don’t really have the awkward 80s textures and timbre even while sounding quintessentially 80s. I don’t know much about their gear though!― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Friday, July 28, 2023 5:40 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Dunno about NO but Prince certainly did! I was surprised to read that he was also a big preset user and only made minor tweaks on his synth patches.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, July 28, 2023 5:50 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
creating new sounds in FM synthesis is insanely complicated and frustrating and time consuming
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, July 28, 2023 6:09 AM (two days ago)
One factoid I like about Brian Eno's Apollo (which turned 40 today) is that Eno got a DX7, instantly mastered the odd FM programming, releases Apollo with it and then mic drops out.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 30 July 2023 08:18 (two years ago)
I thought the story was that he was recuperating from illness and spent the time mastering FM synthesis? So not instant, but yes he did get his voluminous bonce around the thing unlike everyone else.
Geir otm by the way
― moribund new dance craze (Matt #2), Sunday, 30 July 2023 10:59 (two years ago)
Every time I see this thread I think of the most DX7 record I know, Sleeps With the Fishes by Pieter Nooten and Michael Brook. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mM1JElHWSQ
― assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 30 July 2023 11:14 (two years ago)
I don't know what's wrong with using presets anyway tbh.
― Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 July 2023 13:17 (two years ago)
auteur theory
― corrs unplugged, Sunday, 30 July 2023 13:34 (two years ago)
absolutely nothing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 July 2023 13:46 (two years ago)
it's like no one expects you to mod a violin or get in an mess around with the guts of a Hammond
some guitar players are very on about pedals though
― corrs unplugged, Sunday, 30 July 2023 13:48 (two years ago)
nothing wrong with using presets. certainly lots of classic recordings used the DX7 presets in particular. but none of the DX7 presets would give you Apollo.
― c u (crüt), Sunday, 30 July 2023 14:04 (two years ago)
^^ bingo!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 30 July 2023 21:24 (two years ago)
I mean, the stops and switches on a Hammond or Lowrey organ could technically be called “presets,” so I imagine early DX7 adopters didn’t feel lame for using presets. Hell, “Baba O’Riley” is hailed as advanced synthesizery for its time, but it’s literally just the “marimba repeat” setting on a Lowrey Berkshire Deluxe TBO-1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgPtksNqbCk
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 30 July 2023 21:43 (two years ago)
I never had a DX7 but I had a TX81Z which was a rack mount FM synth of same linage. Really could never make heads or tails of programming the thing, it was really easy to make a sound get nasty sounding aliasing (which is unpleasant distortion).
That type of synth though even in standard form is really good for certain kinds of sounds. I thought certain bass sounds were really good, especially the deep sine stuff. The sounds made to be like electric pianos have a nice timber too and anything bell like were really lovely.
The thing I thought it was cool was to use certain sounds in a layer on the same MIDI channel as another sound, as that hard bass or those bell like sounds would sound good paired with something else.
― earlnash, Sunday, 30 July 2023 21:48 (two years ago)
Oh yeah and woody sounds like the marimba or wood blocks were interesting too...did not sound like the real ones but they were tonally interesting.
― earlnash, Sunday, 30 July 2023 21:49 (two years ago)
I wish I picked up a Reface DX when you could occasionally find one for under $300 used.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 30 July 2023 23:37 (two years ago)
Wow, never knew that about Baba O'Riley.
Btw I just replaced a track that I had recorded using the Korg Opsix with the Volca FM playing a similar patch, because it sounded way better. Weird (but I do love that little Volca).
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 31 July 2023 01:38 (two years ago)
Eno got a DX7, instantly mastered the odd FM programming
instantly mastered the programming by using bespoke DX7 programming hardware maybe: https://i.imgur.com/H6L6XN4.jpg
see https://spheremusic.com/Bargaindtl.asp?Item=4626
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Monday, 31 July 2023 02:27 (two years ago)
that baba o'riley vid is stellar!
kinda deserves an xpost to a who thread
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 31 July 2023 07:37 (two years ago)
OTM
― Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Monday, 31 July 2023 08:22 (two years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFGy1ecwig
― J. Sam, Monday, 31 July 2023 14:36 (two years ago)
I believe New Order did use Yamaha FM synths starting about the mid-80s. I recall from Hooky's New Order book (highly recommended!) a point where they replaced their "clunky American analog synths" for "more reliable Japanese ones" (roughly paraphrasing).
I had a Reface DX for a moment. If you're either looking for DX type sounds, and/or a Microkorg type thing I would seriously check it out. I'm a big fan of digital stuff without screens (all hail holy DL4) but I think that's the only Reface that has one, lol. Hard to program FM without it.
I also had the elusive FS1R for another moment (I guess FM is not really my thing). I found it in a music store in nowheresville CA hours north of SF, the kind of place that feels out of Frontierland and sells banjos and mandolins. I think it was like $80 cause they didn't have any idea what the heck they had. I was always intrigued by that thing and there are some -BEAUTIFUL- presets in there. I even got one of the editors to still work. That one has formant synthesis too, and you could have it re-synthesize a sample too (was supposed to be use for speech but I sent it drum loops and it was pretty wacky). Overall only slightly less tedious to program than a traditional FM synth, it probably was much more sophisticated than a DX7. Was very happy to flip that one for many times what I paid and still a good price for the buyer.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 02:56 (two years ago)
incredible sounds in that TX7 video.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 1 August 2023 10:30 (two years ago)
Contemporary composition for DX7 orchestra?
https://anderspjensen.bandcamp.com/album/det-foranderlige-instrument
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 15:32 (one year ago)
I’m up for it
― brimstead, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 15:36 (one year ago)