If a prominent improvised electronic music group was found to be miming their live shows and just playing minidiscs...

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...what would the world do? We're not even talking effecting previous recordings live or anything. We're talking fake knob twiddling. We're not talking one show; we're talking at least several occasions over a few years. We're not talking about a band releasing CDr editions of 100. We're talking signed to a pretty substantial label.

Would it be right to expose this?

― JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.blogthetalk.com/uploaded_images/Milli1-717447.jpg

― Masonic Boom, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

no, throw a bunch of CSS penis hacks over their website, then blackmail them instead...

*shrug*

― fandango, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, the truth is important, but I don't think it would matter all that much in most cases. Nobody cares that Daft Punk aren't playing live (they're wearing motorcycle gloves, how could they?), that Kraftwerk's backing tape contains about 95% of their live show, if not more.

― StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

We're talking a little bit more towards playing "actual" instruments. Like miming percussion hits and guitar. More towards noise, less towards techno.

No guessing.

― JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

To take the devil's advocate roll, there's probably a lot of reasons why a smaller act would be unable to replicate their studio sound live that don't have to do with a lack of talent -- perhaps not wanting to haul tons of gear on tour. In the past though, it was pretty clear to me they did play live with a fairly similar level of sound sophistication.

― JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't miming harder than playing live?

― StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

EXPOSE THEM THEY ARE FRAUDS AND CHEATING THE GREAT AMERICAN IMPROVISED ELECTRONIC MUSIC FAN PUBLIC.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

He conducted many Edison Tone Test Recitals, the name given in the November 1915 issue of Edison Phonograph Monthly for the marketing phenomenon of artists sharing a stage with Edison Diamond Disc phonographs. The artist would sing at times, the phonograph would be played at other times, and audiences were asked if they could distinguish "the re-creation" from live singing.

― m coleman, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

being a snitch makes baby jesus cry

― blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

Is it Wolf Eyes?

― President Evil, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)

Rammstein?

― fandango, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

How many prominent improvised electronic music groups are there?
Are their initials MOM? That's not a guess by the way.

― Matt #2, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

noizers against snitching

― strongohulkington, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.thegamebws.com/pics/thegame/part1.jpg

― strongohulkington, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

if Cam'ron lived next door to an improvised electronic music group, he would just move away.

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 30 April 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

this reminds me of this guy i met who worked at a performance space in switzerland or something, who caught a prominent electronic duo playing doom on their laptops during a show

― s1ocki, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

it was pansonic, wasn't it?

― strongohulkington, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

oh, techrepaws.

― StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

it was clivillés and cole.

― s1ocki, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.whatdvd.net/WhatDVD-Graphics/main/174.jpg

― JW, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

Oh just tell. They'll be found out sooner or later. I'm sure the small audience for this sort of thing wont be up in arms about it.

― filthy dylan, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

oh fuck off, condescendingpaws

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

lightning bolt, total sham

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

it's excepter; stop trying to throw us off the trail.

― ian, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

i'd rather see musicians miming than, say, a bernhard gunter "show"; he doesn't even pretend to play. he just sits in front of his cd player. on a stage. and we are all invited to bask in his gentle decency.

― Lawrence the Looter, Monday, 30 April 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

I hear excepter uses drum machine samples and not even the real drum machines!!!!!

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/gnl2/PlatoCave.jpg

^ most recent excepter show

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

the residents just mimed along to a dvd when i saw them. the lead dude even controlled it with a dvd remote and went through the menus. so lame.

― s1ocki, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

at least a couple of ILM posters will have to start liking whoever this is when they find out it's "not real" :-P

― fandango, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

:-P

― s1ocki, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think I'd get my ass beat if I revealed it.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

i have seen an act perform to dvd's, no idea who the f it was at this point. at least they were singing for real, and since it was a dvd the visual stuff was cued up with the song. which is nice. this was at a famous art gallery so all bets are off as far as music being any good.

ps slocki i want to marry you, a little

― gff, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/gon0/large/gon0-007.jpg

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

where did wizardishungry pic of JW & Ian with electronix go

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

all i wanna know is, why would they use MINIDISC, of all formats?

― pshrbrn, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Because that's more punk rock.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

'cos CDs skip

― fandango, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

They should have used laserdisc

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

excepter use cardboard replicas of electronic instruments stuffed with cocaine and hookers
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k172/DfG_1999/mspace/003_0A.jpg

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

The Village Voice alt-weekly has frequently mentioned the subject of the band's attire, with controversial blogger and (former) Voice writer, Nick Sylvester referring to them as having "ousted Animal Collective as the Village People of Brooklyn Noise" (Brooklyn's Excepter banned from the Knitting Factory by Nick Sylvester, The Village Voice, September 28, 2005). The significance of their hats were noted several more times.

― Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

daer ethicist,
how do i shot noize integrity?

p.s. may get my ass beat.

― tipsy mothra, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://a460.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01305/95/40/1305810459_l.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

4 years ago :/

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Discography

* Tank Tapes (2007, Fuck It Tapes)
* "KKKKK" (2007, Paw Tracks), 12" single split with Panda Bear
* Alternation (2006, 5RC, GER047)
* The Troglodytes (2006, HOSS, HOSS002/ER08), 12" EP split with Leb-Laze
* Sunbomber EP (2006, 5RC, GER055)
* Self Destruction (2005, Fusetron, ER03)
* Throne (2005, Load, ER07)
* KA (2003, Fusetron)
* "I LUV THE NFL SOOOO MUCH GUYZ" a funk/metal collaboration with Adam Schefter[1]

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

Does an Excepter jam a Cumbia rekkid?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

lectric claves all over first rec

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

is Excepter going to just throw on a DAT TAPE when they come to "DJ" at Dazzle Ships this wednesday?

― dan selzer, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Dan Selzer as visualized by Jeremy Campbell

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

When will Porkchop take shower?!?!?!?!

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, I'm confused. They bring a ton of gear but don't actually play it? I can understand if somebody didn't want to rack up the excess baggage costs and tried to slim down what they had to drag around clubs and parking lots and hotel lobbies for months, but if you brought the gear it seems like you'd want to use it. Jon who is it?

Also: mini-Discs are hardly error free- those tiny buttons and the minuscule interface on a typical MD player can certainly play havoc with you if you aren't careful.

― Drew Daniel, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

I know who it is and so do a couple of other SF ILXors

― admrl, Monday, 30 April 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

darlin` don`t you go and cut your hair
do you think it`s gonna make him change?
"i`m just a boy with a new haircut"
and that`s a pretty nice haircut
charge it like a puzzle, hit me wearin` muzzles
hesitate to die, look around, around, the second drummer`s drowned
his telephone is found

music scene is crazy, bands start up each and every day
i saw another one just the other day
a special new band
i remember lying
i don`t remember lies
i don`t remember what
but i don`t care, i care, i really don`t care

did you see the drummer`s hair?

advertising looks and chops a must
no big hair!!

songs mean a lot
when songs are bought
and so are you-
bit*h, rant down to the practice room
attention and fame so
career, career, career....

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

err that supposed to be a BOLD!

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.brightok.net/~bridges/p_albert.jpg

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.playkids.com/stores/playkids/catalog/cf332151-s.jpg

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

some time back, some dudes were claiming one New York band's set was canned, for the most part. i don't know why i'm not mentioning the name, because they were named on an older thread. i guess i'll just add to the mystery.

― QuantumNoise, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

ARE YOU SAYING...
black dice = http://childsuicide.homestead.com/files/elephant_in_living_room.jpg???????????

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

.... Japanther

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I can't make head or tail of these 'hints'... but that totally says PRINGE ALBERT.

― braveclub, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.loonietimes.com/gallery/Pringles.jpg

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

Japanther set down a boombox full of random samples and played live behind it, when I saw them.

― filthy dylan, Monday, 30 April 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

black dice. isn't this old news?

― akm, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

I thought they had drums and guitars and stuff.

― Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

props

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

just things to hide weed in

― sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

Hütter or Schneider (I don't remember which one of them) once said during an interview with a Norwegian paper that "We don't neccessarily have to be present during a concert".

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/ethicist.190.jpg

― hstencil, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)

and the thing is, randy cohen really looks like this:

http://www.denison.edu/publicaffairs/images/cohen_r.jpg

― hstencil, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

also i don't remember black dice ever claiming to be improvised, but i could be wrong.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

I know of musicians who use mini-discs to cycle quickly through shit-tons of short sound files, so they are kind of treating the mini-disc like a sampler. I've seen Bernd Friedmann do this and also Vicki Bennett (People LIke Us). Maybe it just depends on a few questions: how long are the prepared chunks you're using? what percentage of the total result is just playback? are you "looking busy" in dishonest ways or just doing extra / transformative stuff on top of pre-recorded musical "spines"?

I've seen obviously "fake" instruments get played in ways that are awesome too- i.e. nobody is fooled by the Paperrad crew's cardboard yin-yang symbol "guitar" but that's part of the point.

― Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

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