its not just ILM that's gone poll-crazy, nme presenst the greatest indie anthems ever!

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its out 'down there' at 4 pm whereas its not out in little-manchester-on-the-wold until tomorrow, so someone else can reveal the 'winner'.

nice picture of shields up there though i'm sure you'll agree.

― pisces, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

whoever wins, we lose

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I for one am curious to hear what Dom Passantino and DJ Martian have to say about this subject.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

And The Lex, he deserves his place there as well.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

This is as nerve gas to me.

― Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex already voted for 'Powder Blue', I believe.

― braveclub, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear "Bandages" by Hot Hot Heat won.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I reckons "Standing in't way of Control" by Word around doors probably won.

― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It's high time Shed Seven were paid in full.

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

It's high time someone left Eric B and Rakim on Friday, thus ruining their weekend.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Do they know what 'anthem' means?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

DJ Martbias

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

would Eric B give blood, if he had any?
would you say Rakim is good or are there far to many fish (which is his favourite dish) in the sea?

― blueski, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I stopped reading the NME a few years ago after compulsively buying it every week for um some time (1972 - 2002).

Then - last week - I bought it to read on a train. I'm well out of the loop about young UK rock bands so I kinda wanted to find some things to be interested in... The Mojo CD had got me rather interested, though it was very patchy - it did make me think that there might be stuff out there worth trying to find. I like the Aliens album I bought off the back of it for starters.

Anyway - The NME... I didn't even understand it, there just seemed like there was such a poverty of spirit about it, I wouldn't have minded being a bit alienated with teenage swagger and attitude. At least I could have seen the point to that. But this was so narrow, had such a weak frame of reference that it was as if I was the far side cartoon of 'what a golden retriever hears' and all the text had been replaced with someone saying 'blah blah blah'.

Anyway, the list looks like that, even the token, slightly less obvious tracks are just stupid choices.

This week to depress myself further I got some NME clone called Pulp (I think) and it was worse.

I'm off back to Mojo and The Wire, could somebody give me a shout if some young people do something interesting?

― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

never thought of "Animal Nitrate" as an anthem...but dang, it is, isn't it!

― henry s, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

list so far:

31 Oasis - 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'
32 The Stone Roses - 'Fool's Gold'
33 The Killers - 'Mr Brightside'
34 Radiohead - 'Just'
35 Pixies - 'Monkey Gone To Heaven'
36 Kaiser Chiefs - 'I Predict A Riot'
37 Kasabian - 'LSF'
38 Pixies - 'Gigantic'
39 Oasis - 'Champagne Supernova'
40 Klaxons - 'Golden Skans'
41 Blur - 'Parklife'
42 The Cribs - 'Hey Scenesters'
43 Suede - 'Animal Nitrate'
44 The Stone Roses - 'Love Spreads'
45 The La's - 'There She Goes'
46 Dinosaur Jr - 'Freak Scene'
47 The Libertines - 'Up The Bracket'
48 Sonic Youth - 'Bull In The Heather'
49 The Rapture - 'House Of Jealous Lovers'
50 My Bloody Valentine - 'You Made Me Realise'

― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The NME is shitty shit shit (although I do get it every now and then for the crossword), but I don't understand how you could favour Mojo, Sandy, not one bit.

As for the list, does anyone even care anymore? Meh.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

emily - I just really like reading about music.

Mojo usually has one big feature which will be forelock tugging, clunky and unattractive writing about some ropey old rock warhorse and then lots of often nice wee stuff about the interesting nooks and crannies of rock's rich tapestry.

I can't do the crossword in NME either these days. That pissed me off too.

― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I do dislike trawling through to find the names of rubbish singles by crap haircut bands. But crosswording is worth it.

Oh, and I forgot to say, 'Pulp' is that Popworld magazine which has actually already gone bust. There's a thread about it somewhere.

I even found myself getting disappointed by the writing in the Wire the other day, when that Von Sudenfed article just kept going 'oh, isn't it strange that Mark E Smith, who is, like, a bit rock, is working with Mouse on Mars, who are, like, a bit dance, woooooo'. The writer (someone regular, I think) was clearly trying to say something a bit deeper than this, but not succeeding. Very frustrating.

And on a tangent completely unrelated to the list this thread is supposed to be about, it may interest you to know that I'm doing a dissertation next year on an author you introduced me to, Sandy (B.S. Johnson). Hussar.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"wonderwall" will win

― abanana, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Why the fuck is "Bull in the Heather" of all things in there!?

― Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link

(brief thread hijack)

Emily - Wow, I'm glad you like him, I spotted that there was a re-issue of some stuff that included Albert Angelo, which I've not read but its the one which has holes in some pages and you can see bits of the pages yet to come, sort of like a flashback in a film, though its a flash forward obviously.

I haven't seen a re-issue of "See the old lady" which is a shame I'd love to re-read it. I only read it once in the mid 80s when I borrowed it from the main public library in Dundee. There had been a mention of him in a few articles about Alisdar Grey - mainly comparisons about typographical stuff (this would be not long after Lanark come out).

Oh and just nipped over to wikipedia and remembered that Joe Pernice does a song about him and the Jonathon Coe biography is really worth reading.

― Sandy Blair, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck off, NME.

There's 44 "Indie Anthems" better than "There she goes"?

And one of them is LSF by Kasabian? Ha ha.

And there's 31 better than "Fools Gold"?

And one of them is "Cigarettes and Alcohol"?

Cockmunchers.

― Iain Macdonald, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Do they know what 'anthem' means?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, May 1, 2007 4:50 PM (Yesterday)

have they even BEEN to koko?

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

11. The Smiths - 'This Charming Man'
12. The Stone Roses - 'She Bangs The Drums'
13. The Libertines - 'Can't Stand Me Now'
14. Oasis - 'Don't Look Back In Anger'
15. Blur - 'Song 2'
16. Franz Ferdinand - 'Take Me Out'
17. The Stone Roses - 'I Wanna Be Adored'
18. The Verve - 'Bitter Sweet Symphony'
19. Joy Divison - 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
20. Joy Division - 'Transmission'
21. The Smiths - 'Panic'
22. The Breeders - 'Cannonball'
23. The Gossip - 'Standing In The Way Of Control'
24. Babyshambles - 'Fuck Forever'
25. Oasis - 'Supersonic'
26. Radiohead - 'Creep'
27. Oasis -' Wonderwall'
28. Pavement - 'Cut Your Hair'
29. Arcade Fire - 'Rebellion (Lies)'
30. Manic Street Preachers - 'A Design For Life'

(the list continues...)

― pisces, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i like 'bull in the heather'. maybe the go team covering it has broadened it's appeal to modern NME readers. that doesn't really make much sense either tho.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

'Smells like Teen Spirit' is a lock for #1 surely.

― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

24. Babyshambles - 'Fuck Forever'

I grieve for the nation.

― danzig, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

spolier it's live forever at 1 with smells like ts behind it. libertines at 5 and 6, artic monkeys at 10. blah, blah.

― acrobat, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

How the hell is "Teen Spirit" indie? Didn't it come out on a major label?

― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

oh boy

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

let's not do this

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oasis - Live Forever was no1. Teen spirit was no2 I think. 2 Libertines tracks in the top 10 and a Smiths song too. I forget the actual numbers though.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Big surprise to see "Free" by Ultra Nate at #9, though.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

could somebody please explain what you britishers mean by "indie" again???

― askance johnson, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

whatever gets played at the indie disco of course

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Big surprise to see "Free" by Ultra Nate at #9, though.

-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:58 (36 minutes ago)

haha

― pisces, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

10. Arctic Monkeys- I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor
9. The Strokes- Last Nite
8. Stone Roses- I Am The Ressurection
7. The Smiths- How Soon Is Now?
6. The Libertines- Time For Heroes
5. The Libertines- Don't Look Back Into The Sun
4. The Smiths- There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
3. Pulp- Common People
2. Nirvana- Smells Like Teen Spirit
1. Oasis- Live Forever

Fucking woeful, but then again, this isn't for most of us anymore is it? I think the saddest thing is even bands that got covered 20 years ago (Sugarcubes, The Fall etc) wouldn't get a mention nowadays, and that's a shame. Anyways, enough pining for a non-existant golden era.

I can't believe there's no Deceptacon in there.

― Mister Craig, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

this isn't for most of us anymore is it?

well... if they'd conducted this poll ten years ago (ie when it was for us, okay me) i like to think 'we' would have had the brass balls to vote something more recent than 1984 as our favourite. right or wrong, having 'live forever' atop the chart is just embarrassing.

i haven't heard those two libertines tracks in the top ten, but i'm pretty confident they're shit.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

The top 10 in order of how good they are:

7. The Smiths- How Soon Is Now?
4. The Smiths- There Is A Light That Never Goes Out
9. The Strokes- Last Nite
3. Pulp- Common People
8. Stone Roses- I Am The Ressurection
2. Nirvana- Smells Like Teen Spirit
10. Arctic Monkeys- I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor
1. Oasis- Live Forever
6. The Libertines- Time For Heroes
5. The Libertines- Don't Look Back Into The Sun

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Do they know what 'anthem' means?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, May 1, 2007 9:50 AM

Agreed, no matter how much I like "there she goes" or "this charming man" there isn't much anthemic about either of them!

― zaxxon25, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

"This Charming Man" is totally designed as a fucking anthem, it even has a bit where you can do a scissors kick to.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Dang, I still don't understand this. Seriously, can we get some young people in to give a presentation or something? They can use powerpoint and their ipods or something.

In return I'll explain things like what all the actual good records are.

― Sandy Blair, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

To be fair, I was dancing to those records 10 years ago on a pretty regular basis. But those records are also the reason I ceased wanting to go to 'indie' clubs.

It's like an average of every generic indie club DJ's setlist.

― Mister Craig, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

what no Ocean Colour Scene (who have a brand new album out this week).

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

YSI?

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I need a sarcasm smiley, as I know how much this board hates that band.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i like to think 'we' would have had the brass balls to vote something more recent than 1984 as our favourite. right or wrong, having 'live forever' atop the chart is just embarrassing.

but when reader polls do feature very recent songs/albums right at the top there is general mockery. i don't remember any reader polls from my NME-reading period (also the Britpop period so there was a big 'now' focus anyway) but they probably would've been won by the Stone Roses and The Smiths.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

most of the songs in the list are fine. it's just that 'why bother' thing - NME could've just written the list themselves in half an hour and might as well have.

― blueski, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

No Sultans some credibility.

― Groke, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Where's me anthem? oh no.

― Mark G, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

but still there must be some fixing cos wtf is Bull In The heather doing there? surely Sugar Kane or Teenage Riot or 100% or Silver Rocket or Youth Against Fascism or something would make more sense? Martianesque theory: nme staffer needs sonic youth song for list, has no knowledge of said band goes on everyhit.com and simply puts biggest SY Uk hit on the list. is pwned cos BIH ain't much of an anthem.

― acrobat, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

But by that reckoning, "To Here Knows When" would have been the MBV entry rather than "You Made Me Realise."

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

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― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't heard those two libertines tracks in the top ten, but i'm pretty confident they're shit.

'time for heroes' is basically a shit 'boys don't cry'

the other one is basically just shit

― tissp, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

That I can remember, I've played 17 of these when DJing (and the handbag cover of "Look Good On The Dancefloor")

Danced (again, that I can remember) to exactly half. Including Bull In The Heather, not including "The Libs".

― Groke, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The whole list is dogshit. I guess I don't know what indie means if Nirvana's on there, but after reflection, and after looking at those crap songs, I don't give a fuck.

― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 May 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

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