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Happy days, Saint Julian has a new book coming out about Japanese rock. Only four months to wait until Japrocksampler is published.

― Billy Dods, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

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― Mark G, Friday, 4 May 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Sweet!

― Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

....violent refusenik rock groups with a penchant for plane hijacking!!!!!

Sounds good to me. No chance of an accompanying CD I suppose??!!

― Kim Tortoise, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh god.

― Pashmina, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

― Telephone thing, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

that looks like the sweet jesus of awesome.

― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

i wish someone else had done one of these first. cope is kind of tedious.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Do you think it might have the accuracy that the KRSamp missed?

― Mark G, Friday, 4 May 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Always enjoyed Cope's writing, from NME pieces in the early 80's on, and I'm definitely looking forward to this. Any word on which six groups?

While we're on the subject of violent refuseniks, Cope has what seems to be a legitimate release 'best of' Rallizes Denudes CD "Flightless Bird", available from his Headheritage site. Mine's in the post.

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

In addition to his two volumes of autobiography, Cope has written three other books of nonfiction. Krautrocksampler, released in 1996 and now out of print, covers the German krautrock musical movement. Before the publication of this book the genre itself had all but disappeared off the musical map; both the phrase and the genre are now firmly ingrained and have subsequently been heralded in the likes of Mojo and The Wire magazines.

I wonder if Cope is going to get credit for introducing the world to Japan this time. Hello, EVERYONE was talking about krautrock for at least a decade before his book.

― libcrypt, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE 1996

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s68240.jpg

― braveclub, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

haha, yeah that blurb is laughable. plus his book sort of sucked anyway.

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

i like the cover

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51L2RLX0ZXL._SS500_.jpg

― get bent, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

i want early fushitsusha photos.

― ian, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

I'm irritated at Cope for the smarmy, arrogant letter he wrote the makers of the Scott Walker documentary. Anyone see it?

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

He's a bit of a waaaanker, innit?

― admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

of course, but that's the fun of him

― get bent, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

i admire his, hmmmm, energy? even if seemingly every record he listens to is mind-blowingly mind-meltingly mindfucking or whatever. how many times must that man's mind be fucked?

― scott seward, Friday, 4 May 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

He reminds me of Scott Seward in that sense.

― admrl, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, that guy too...

― scott seward, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

how many times must that man's mind be fucked?

to the tune of "blowin' in the wind"

― get bent, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

the ideology of extreme tripout head music as revolutionary and liberating actually feels more cloistered (and possibly hung up on past triumphs) than anything to me lately.

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

(can i get an otm? lol.)

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

I have to say, on the other hand, that his actual-song-type album from a few years back, Citizen Cain'd, is super good. There are some extended, plaintive songs on there that sound like the very best fried heavy midtempo dual-guitar Neil Young stuff. DL "I Will Be Absorbed" and "Feels Like A Crying Shame" if you can.

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

I will buy this.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

couldn't get an otm
now i feel so alone...

: (

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

NO HANATARASH NO CRED

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

well at least it has a hoosteen seal of approval

― get bent, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

first krauts, then japs, next up wops

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

[i]After Mussolini, the kids had no choice but to freak fucking out.{/i]

http://www.filosofiaedintorni.net/mussolini.jpg

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

Haha I was just remembering this bit from his review of Vision Creation Newsun:

[i]You know how you occasionally read a review of some new Fall LP and they say the Fall are back on form and you just gotta hear this particular record and you get all excited and hopping cause if the Fall just got genuinely back on it (even briefly) U-Know it would be a pagan free-for-all to live for. And it has intriguing song titles like "Dame J. Burchill Art Gulag" and a supposedly great cover version of Don Covay’s "It’s Better to Have & Don’t Need (Than Need & Don’t Have)". And in that brief time between reading about the album and hearing the album, you’re a kid again with a kid’s dreams and a whole world of possibilities (not just musical) is thrown up in front of you. Then you hear that new Fall record and it’s just more embittered semi-mystical coded fraudulent ramblings about NOTHING nothing NOTHING.

BUT......... it does not matter because you’ve still enjoyed AND lived fully through those moments of possibilities.

Well this album is all those possibilities AND it achieves.[i]

Fucking great passage!

Hmmm I guess that means no Boredoms in the new book, since that review is still readable on his site, while all the Japanese reviews which are integrated into Japrocksampler seem to have been taken down...

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Look how the pretty little i's with brackets around them denote the beginning and end of the quoted passage!

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

"fraudulent" is silly, isn't it? i'm not aware that mark e. smith claims to be doing anything apart from what he actually does. part of the humor in some of the best fall lyrics is their lack of an actual message.

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Earliest Boredoms = 1982

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

although before Osorezon no Stooges Kyo pretty much anything Ey3 does is the same

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Roffle at comparing VCN with the sodding Fall!

― braveclub, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

borerock sampler by jon williams

― ian, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to Tim--

I don't actually agree with that Fall/Boredoms paragraph. Just find it hilariously well written.

Also search when he tries to sell David Lee Roth as a shaman figure...

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe its time for me to find moments where Boredoms sound like The Fall?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

There's a few tracks that if you dubbed in Mark E Smith over it would sound ok, but mostly no.

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

Ok actually some of onanie bombs sounds like the fall

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

"I Am Yamantaka EYE"

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

The fuck-up like red acid rain
Give it to Yoshimi every day
Who is Mr. Julian So-Called Cope?
Introduce me
I'm Yamantaka EYE

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

Bite My Bullocks
Call Me God
some of the guitar on Lick'n cock boatpeople

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone seen the early Boredoms video where they look like Discharge and sound like the Birthday Party?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKIfw2nLWg

^ not that but good

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

isn't there some recent fall song with a reference to "drudes" or something?

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

shit, the video disappeared I think it was "Boredoms before Yoshimi"

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

G---6-7-9-/--14---12-14-12--11--
D---6-7-9-/--14---12-14-12--11--
A---4-5-7-/--12---10-12-10--9---

G---6-7-9-/--12--11-9-7-6-/--14--
D---6-7-9-/--10--11-9-7-6-/--14--
A---4-5-7-/--10--9--7-5-4-/--12--

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

other speculations about who it's going to include besides flower travellin' band and rallizes denudes?

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Fushitsusha

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

I dig Cope loads actually, I've got most of his records, "Head On" is fucking great. "Krautrock sampler" irritated the fuck out of me, though, it was like he ws telling you which stuff was ok to like & which stuff was NOT ok to like, and that's not cool to me, lots of the not OK stuff is great!

― Pashmina, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

i wonder if he's including magical power mako

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

I liked Krautrocksampler. I agreed with most of his tastes. I've always been surprised that he's had such good taste, considering that I've tried and failed many a time to like any music he's ever produced.

― filthy dylan, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

i never he knew he liked haino.

xposts

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

(no pics of german haino plz)

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

fingers crossed for the in-depth treatments of Flied Egg and Love Live Life + 1 that I've always wanted to read.

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

(btw Tim I thought you were OTM!)

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

it's a revolution .... OF THE MIND

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

Fall sounding like Boredoms will probably have to come from their "Bonkers In Phoenix"-"Ibis Afro-Man"-"Das Boat" skein of songs.

"e-EE-e-EE! e-EE-e-EE!"

BTW "Lick'n Cock Boatpeople" is one of my all time favorite song titles by anyone. It pops into my head unbidden all the time in day to day life, as does "Where's My Fuckin' Jesus?"

― Jon Lewis, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

stormy you gotta go see elf power next time they come to chicago. hadn't followed them over last few records but had revelation that i was seeing an all-time classic american rock band when we saw them the other night.

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

cool Tim, not familiar with them at all but will bear it mind. thx for the tip!

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

Hope there's some talk about Lost Aaraaff in this book. The one record I heard by Rallizes didn't seem very good, can anyone point me in the direction of their best stuff?

― Matt #2, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

BTW "Lick'n Cock Boatpeople" is one of my all time favorite song titles by anyone. It pops into my head unbidden all the time in day to day life, as does "Where's My Fuckin' Jesus?"

MORE PARTIAL TO BOATPEOPLEHATEFUCK

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

xpost: consensus seems to be "77 Live" is the best Rallizes recording. Get it from the Forced Exposure site. I have "Heavier than a death in the family", which is apparently a single CD version of this, with an extra track. Cope has written extensively on Les Rallizes at HeadHeritage.

I bought a Lost Aaraff CD at a Keiji Haino gig in Stirling, on the strength of reading they were a 70's pre-Fushitsusha outfit heavily influenced by Sabbath and the Doors. It's actually piano improv with cookie monster vocals, and sounds like the Muppets band doing free jazz. If that sounds good to you, watch for my copy on eBay.

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

NUDE 77

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

Head Heritage doesn't care about Elf Power.

http://www.willisms.com/archives/kanyewest.gif

― Tim Ellison, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

Oddly enough, I am listening to Le 12 Mars 1977 a Tachikawa this very second.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)

Based on Cope reviews removed from HeadHeritage for updating for the book, line up includes: Les Rallizes Denudes, Taj Mahal Travelers; Flowers Travellin' Band; Tokyo Kid Brothers; and Speed, Glue & Shinki.

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

Lost Aaraff rules!

bought a Lost Aaraff CD at a Keiji Haino gig in Stirling, on the strength of reading they were a 70's pre-Fushitsusha outfit heavily influenced by Sabbath and the Doors

who said that? er, yeah they definitely don't sound like that! At least, the PSF cd does not. Come to think of it, maybe the disc that was included in the 'Purple Trap' box set comes closer to that? not sure, haven't listened in a while. I might just need to break that out after I get home from work...

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Who said that? Actually not sure now. It would have been either Cope, some random geezer in the Wire, or something in a programme booklet for Instal, Le weekend or KYTN.

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

"first krauts, then japs, next up wops"

Italodiscosampler?

― I eat cannibals, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=60&threadid=5919#unread

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

Certainly seems to be a lot of interest in Italian Prog, though Cope seems to be more into 70's proto-metal recently.

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Chuck Eddy and Martin Popoff already wrote the books on that though. you snooze you lose.

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

Chuck wrote a book on Italian Prog? Wow!

― Soukesian, Friday, 4 May 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

Flower Travellin' Band's Satori is teh fux0ring bomb. Must get the 180gsm reissue...

― Mister Craig, Friday, 4 May 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

"Krautrock sampler" irritated the fuck out of me, though, it was like he ws telling you which stuff was ok to like & which stuff was NOT ok to like, and that's not cool to me, lots of the not OK stuff is great!

Yeah, seriously. I know everyone disagrees, but contrary to Cope, Amon Duul >>> Amon Duul II.

That said, Krautrocksampler is better than Crack in Cosmic Egg on that front which basically claims that every rock record produced in Germany from 1968-1977 is AMAZING. If you've ever heard Embryo or half the shit on Ohr, you will probably beg to differ.

I am curious about this one though and will probably buy it because I'm a sucker. Is there a chapter on Brast Burn?

― Bill in Chicago, Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

Kraut rock > Kraut prog, even though there's a little bit of prog in all of it, it seems.

― libcrypt, Saturday, 5 May 2007 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Picked japrocksampler up today for £7 in FOPP (Glasgow)

― Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 31 December 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago)

sixteen years pass...

I finished reading Japrocksampler the other day, good read.

Anyone know why Krautrocksampler never gets reprinted and is so hard to find?

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 16:15 (nine months ago)

would be appropriate if 4 Men With Beards reprinted it with entirely smudged text

― frogbs, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 16:23 (nine months ago)

lol

I used to have a PDF copy somewhere, but I figured a reprinting was surely due at some point.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 16:27 (nine months ago)

I've still got my copy I bought at time.... er, somewhere.

― biting your uncles (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 16:32 (nine months ago)

Despite this continued demand for Krautrocksampler, Cope has stated that the book will not be updated or reprinted, claiming that it contains some "factual errors and that he doesn't want to position himself as an expert, having met people he considers better informed."[3]

― Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 17:50 (nine months ago)

Thanks, I guess that explains it. Disappointing. Doesn't seem like you need to ignore/discard previous scholarship just because there's been further work and understanding done though, but that's just me.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 17:52 (nine months ago)

A new edition with those mistakes corrected would be ideal, if only as a document of how the style got canonised.

But failing that I think it's pretty cool of Cope to be this egoless.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 18:00 (nine months ago)

It was a short book and obviously did not cover much, but as a "sampler" it was effective.

Later on, the internet meant I could d/l all of the albums in the top 50 for testing. Later on than that, most of them are on Spotify (prob)

― Mark G, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 21:32 (nine months ago)

Sometimes I wonder if my neutral feelings for ADII "Tanz der Lemminge" are entirely a result of Cope shitting on it/excluding it from the book. It's a perfectly good psych record, but maybe it was seen as a step backward from the mighty "Yeti" by the heads of the time.

― InternationalWaters, Thursday, 7 November 2024 18:23 (nine months ago)

thats funny, for me it was kind of the opposite since George Starostin thought Tanz was their magnum opus and an improvement on Yeti.

― frogbs, Thursday, 7 November 2024 18:27 (nine months ago)

George Starostin was wrong about everything though.

― biting your uncles (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 November 2024 18:29 (nine months ago)

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