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Who the hell knows (or is too surprised)...

While indie rock's upper echelon rally to celebrate Joy Division's tunes and late frontman Ian Curtis, New Order, the synth-driven outfit birthed from Joy Divison's ashes, has apparently called it a day. "Well yeah, me and Bernard (Sumner) aren't working together," New Order bassist Peter Hook during an XFM Satellite Radio interview today, according to NME. As astute fans know, the break up isn't the band's first, but according to Hook, it may be the last: "Bernard went off for a break with Electronic, but that was different. But it's like the boy who cried wolf this time."

http://www.spin.com/features/news/2007/05/070504_neworder/

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

I believe this as much as I believe the Cure retires after every album and tour.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

Ned, you must have answered in record time.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

you must be new here.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 4 May 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

To bring Ned to Miami, I need to draw a circle and say "NewOrderDepecheModeCureEcho" 10 times.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

I believe this as much as I believe the Cure retires...

oops, too slow

― Charlie Howard, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

To bring Ned to Miami, I need to draw a circle and say "NewOrderDepecheModeCureEcho" 10 times.

It could happen.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

Or just say Loveless once.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

Gotta be careful there, it could be the emo band.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

There's an emo band called Loveless?

Argh.

― HI DERE, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I was kidding:

http://www.lvls.com/news/

(Maybe not emo. But definitely a band. And crap.)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 May 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

"To bring Ned to Miami, I need to draw a circle and say "NewOrderDepecheModeCureEcho" 10 times"

Be careful: I could appear there instead of Ned.

― Marco Damiani, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be there, then not really there, then kinda there, then pretty much there.

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 4 May 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

i said "NumanSlowdiveBowieCureDepecheModeMBV" a few times in april 2005, and ned magically appeared in queens. SO IT COULD HAPPEN, YO.

― Eisbaer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 02:38 (eighteen years ago)

Loveless the band features mid-'90's semi-one-hit alternawonder and recent first-time author Jen Trynin on electrified something-or-other.

― Garrett Martin, Saturday, 5 May 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

I love the fact that no one cares that New Order broke up. Ha! Even *I* don't care that New Order broke up.

― Bimble, Saturday, 5 May 2007 07:04 (eighteen years ago)

people might've cared more if they broke up right after republic. they've been kind-of nowhere career-wise since then (yes, even considering their post-republic output).

― Eisbaer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 08:01 (eighteen years ago)

also, their studied anonymity (part of their identity) probably hurts here. i mean, folks on ILM and indie/dance folks might care that they've broken up. to casual listeners, though -- the people who only stuff like "blue monday," "regret," or "true faith" -- they'd probably be more shocked that they were still around at all.

― Eisbaer, Saturday, 5 May 2007 08:05 (eighteen years ago)

For me it all comes down to the fact that Get Ready is better than their last album and somewhere along the way, rightly or wrongly, I became rather deeply resentful about that, and resentful of their laziness (re:Bernard) It wasn't too bloody long ago that Stephen said something positive about them getting back together. But you know, just fuck me if I care, really. I'm just exasperated with them. Hell with it. It's not my party and you won't find me crying.

I just wish this Control movie would hurry up and get overwith (and the anxiety I feel about it as well). And then maybe we can settle down and have some peace and JD reissues, have a cup of tea on the sofa and let it all rest.

― Bimble, Saturday, 5 May 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

How many times has this been said?? C0c41n3s a hell of a drug.

― brg30, Saturday, 5 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://sparky.thehold.net/pix/care-o-meter.jpg

actually, that's not entirely true. if we're going to be saved from any more get ready [1]/most of siren's call-style dross and can now remember them as a once-awe-inspiring band who didn't totally bury their magnificent legacy under a reeking avalanche of shit, that has to be worth caring about.

i've said it before and hopefully i won't need to say it again: GIVE IT UP, LADS. GIVE IT FUCKING UP.

[1] "crystal" aside, natch.

― grimly fiendish, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

[1] "Dracula's Castle" aside, natch.

fixed. :)

― Michael Servetus, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

I really love their last album, especially the title track. I guess I don't really believe that they've broken up or ever really can. Even their solo projects will bear the mark of New Order and their catalog is so burstingly full of wonder that I return to over and over that I don't really need anything new from them.

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 5 May 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

I can't see many people making a case for more than 3 or 4 songs from the last 15 years. A few will, but they're doing a Alex in NYC: Killing Joke thing.

― paulhw, Saturday, 5 May 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm suprised there isn't a New Order poll already.

― van smack, Saturday, 5 May 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

3 or 4 great songs from the last 15 years isn't so bad. "Regret" is utterly classic and many people consider "Crystal" to be too (though it's not my absolute fave). It does seem I liked the last album more than most people though - maybe I am as sad as you make out!

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 5 May 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

I'm suprised there isn't a New Order poll already.

I know! I was just thinking this the other day...

― Bimble, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get the hate on the last album, but I guess we had this discussion on another thread. For me WFTSC ranks as one of my top 3 NO albums, up there with Technique and PC&L.

― baaderonixx, Sunday, 6 May 2007 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

Then start a poll, damnit hehehe :) :) :) :)

I don't want to be the one to do it, I don't know why, I just don't.

― Bimble, Sunday, 6 May 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)

Another Monaco album, Hooky?

― King Boy Pato, Sunday, 6 May 2007 05:46 (eighteen years ago)

No, he's supposed to do that damn Base... thing with Mani from Stone Roses and all that. What happened to that? I can't remember what it was called now...Base-something. And it was Andy Rourke too, if I recall correctly. Was it Freebase? I can't freaking be bothered to look it up.

If he does another Monaco album instead, I'll likely shoot myself.

― Bimble, Sunday, 6 May 2007 05:59 (eighteen years ago)

But...Monaco is THE FUTURE:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Monacoselftitled.jpg

― King Boy Pato, Sunday, 6 May 2007 06:02 (eighteen years ago)

Hooky confirmed it in his myspace. The split seems official.

blog entry

― najja, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

so that's that, then. until hooky's next 'leccy bill comes in, or barney fancies a new car.

as long as hooky finds something to spend his time on that isn't his blog, i'm happy. jesus wept, that's unedifying reading.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Welp, now it's on Hooooooky's MySpace, I guess it's safe to say New Order will never play together again. Never again! You can't change your mind after you've posted on MySpace, it's INTERNET LAW.

As bad as that blog is (and it is pretty fucking bad), it's not a Monaco album. Remember that.

― King Boy Pato, Thursday, 10 May 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

I love people who completely hate on a long-lived band's recent output regardless of whether it's any good or not.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 04:32 (eighteen years ago)

regardless of whether it's any good or not

what gets me so much is that they are manifestly still capable of brilliance. they're just lazy bastards.

truly great - ie up there with the best they ever did - NO songs of the past few years:

here to stay (in all its versions, but particularly the instrumental one)
waiting for the siren's call
krafty

not quite as great but still great:

crystal
working overtime

meh:

all the rest except ...

unforgivable:

rock the shack (the album version, at least; i've heard a live version that was way better)
60MPH (this, really, was the clincher for me. awful)

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Check out the Peel session of Rock the Schack (on "In Session") and tell me this is not one of the most JD-sounding songs NO ever performed (agreed tho that the album version is pretty awful).

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

Good job you Googleproofed 'cocaine', brg30.

― braveclub, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

Christ, that blog is bad. Rock stars should just say no to the Internet. Why do they think we should care about their daughters' sleep-overs?

― underpants of the gods, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

Why the hate? Come on, they were great until that Curtis guy left.

― StanM, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:50 (eighteen years ago)

Come on, they were great ~~until~~ after that Curtis guy left.

― braveclub, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:55 (eighteen years ago)

"NO" is £3 in Fopp.

Remember them this way?

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

Also great: Turn My Way, Slow Jam, Turn. Yet still strangely unfussed by break-up of one of my favourite bands ever.

― Dorianlynskey, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

1) Band breaks up
2) People say :Come back, bring more new music
3) Band eventually says "OK" and do some.
4) Eventually band says "Can we go now?"
5) People say: Oh OK then. Thanks.

― Mark G, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty pissed off by this.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

They WILL play again - betcha.

My own NO album rankings :

1. Movement
2. WFTSC
3. PC&L
4. Technique
5. Low-Life
6. Brotherhood
7. Get Ready
8. Republic

― Dr.C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

Swap Movement and Technique and this looks exactly like mine!

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Except I would have put Get Ready above Low-Life.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

"Slow Jam" is really, really wonderful! Also I am completely obsessed with "Morning, Night and Day".

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

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"can we keep this thread New Order only, please - that means the actual members of New Order: Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, and Tom Chapman - thanks"
st3ve, with all due respect, I know what you're going for but it's cheap and beneath you. it's an easy gag, but we all know the actual members of New Order are Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris, Gillian Gilbert, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman. let's acknowledge that this stands, no matter what other unpleasantness is going on.

the tour poster designer knows what's up:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/kitbrash/NO_poster.jpg

― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 13:57 (thirteen years ago)

The right order and everything!

― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:02 (thirteen years ago)

MOJO ran a long interview, in which they're all in a creepily buoyant mood. Gillian was much missed apparently.

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:23 (thirteen years ago)

Newer Order.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 14:33 (thirteen years ago)

ahh.

good timing as i need to ask a long dreaded question.

am i safe to buy the remastered editions yet ?

are the current editions that are available in the shops 'fixed' after all the chaos of the initial copies ?

and is it true the only way to tell is the lack of the plastic outer case, or, is there another way to be sure before stumping up the cash and cracking the seals on them ?

btw : the mojo re-vision of TCL is not half bad in parts ..

― mark e, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:19 (thirteen years ago)

I still see the flawed editions in shops. to tell which ones are the old ones compared to the new fixed editions there's this post:

the mis-pressings have the Deluxe Edition (or whatever it says) plastic slipcase and the extremely large white sticker on the front with the title and details, the newer ones have smaller stickers with the info and no slipcase.

― mikebee (BATTAGS), Monday, September 14, 2009 2:09 PM (1 year ago)

― van smack, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:24 (thirteen years ago)

That should be in bold font

― van smack, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:26 (thirteen years ago)

ta van smack.
i saw that when digging around last week.
would have thought they'd have made it a lot more clearer than that, as i doubt i'm the only person waiting to get a proper set of these !

― mark e, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:30 (thirteen years ago)

as much as it seems like heresy to say it, youtubes I've seen of recent newer tom chapman new order are really much much much better than the show I saw new order play with peter hook 7 years ago.

― akm, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

clearly tom chapman's influence.

― akm, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

it's a good name, but I think they're sticking with New Order.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:49 (thirteen years ago)

Order from The Ideal Copy website. They have them clearly marked as the updates and you can bundle them.

― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

seems counter-productive for mark to order from a US website and pay international shipping.

― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 23:38 (thirteen years ago)

If you want to be sure of getting the fixed remasters, I'd order from Amazon. They're unlikely to have old stock on hand, and if you do get the wrong ones (which can be identified as mikebee states), they'll let you exchange them.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 January 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)

Nice poster, looks like buro destruct

― river, Thursday, 19 January 2012 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

i only own two of those remasters version Power Corruption & Lies and Low-life bought at the same time from Amoeba Hollywood. thanks to mikebee post i knew i had the right ones when bought.

― Bee OK, Thursday, 19 January 2012 04:33 (thirteen years ago)

i checked the ideal copy site and thought that re the price.

have decided to buy from fopp and if not the new editions, take'em back.

however, i relistened to my old Factory edition of Technique this morning in the car

.. sounds perfectly fine (and given i have not heard it for over 10 years - it made me remember how much i used to love this band !)

not sure i need the remastered edition now ..

― mark e, Thursday, 19 January 2012 08:24 (thirteen years ago)

if you downloaded the Recycle project, you probably don't. I painstakingly tagged my own compilations out of those, and they're great!

― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 19 January 2012 08:39 (thirteen years ago)

The Hordern? On a Wednesday night? I don't think I could be arsed.

― Celebrating In The Ndzone (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 19 January 2012 09:10 (thirteen years ago)

^fronting

― bro-one (electricsound), Thursday, 19 January 2012 09:44 (thirteen years ago)

more like illogical loathing of sydney buses

― Celebrating In The Ndzone (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 19 January 2012 11:10 (thirteen years ago)

I checked with Amazon and they only have the new stock.

Felt strangely non-plussed with the deluxe edition, still and thought they did New Order a diservice.

― djh, Thursday, 19 January 2012 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

Wasn't the issue not with the albums but with the bonus disc, the b-sides?

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 January 2012 01:54 (thirteen years ago)

the packaging was tat aswell; *fewer* Saville images than the original Technique artwork and some wank essay in a booklet. Hook was banging on about how good they sounded too until people complained. he clearly didn't listen to them, nobody gave a fuck enough to make them any better.

― piscesx, Friday, 20 January 2012 02:35 (thirteen years ago)

He probably listened to the (re)master 'tape' (in studio), or something.

― Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 08:57 (thirteen years ago)

Bytheway, can anybody access any of the "Recycle" project?

I got the "Blue Monday" yesterday, but since then I can't even get any of the pages w/links. Even that one.

I thought it might be this machine, but have tried at home too.

Or is it a 'browser' issue?

― Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 09:05 (thirteen years ago)

well fopp had a pile of the reissues, but it was very unclear as to which versions they were.
no slipcase, but big sticker re the extras were placed on the back of the packaging.
decided not to bother - when the urge rises i've got PCL on vinyl.
that'll suffice.

― mark e, Friday, 20 January 2012 09:29 (thirteen years ago)

Well, the PCL one's extras are all stuff I have anyway, on 12" vinyl.

― Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 09:45 (thirteen years ago)

Mark - Recycle seems to work for me.

― The Eyeball Of Hull (Colonel Poo), Friday, 20 January 2012 10:41 (thirteen years ago)

I've been getting it via Google Cache.

What browser you use?

― Mark G, Friday, 20 January 2012 10:51 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

oh dear.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/mar/07/new-order-peter-hook

― mark e, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:51 (thirteen years ago)

A member of New Order from their formation until 2007, Hook was not invited back for the group's recent reunion. "The truth is, Bernard [Sumner]'s a twat and he always has been," Hook told the Guardian last summer.

There's that banter again.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:54 (thirteen years ago)

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― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:14 (thirteen years ago)

AHHH is right

― van smack, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:18 (thirteen years ago)

That is THE most disturbing gif I have ever seen. It's going to haunt me.

― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)

It's like the party scene from Jacob's Ladder.

― beachville, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:49 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqPXx38Ogw

― beachville, Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:49 (thirteen years ago)

yeesh

― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

http://learningfunnel.com/hookie-o.gif http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvepu1KTat1qexyuco1_400.gif

― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:32 (thirteen years ago)

Skillrex freaks me out w/how much he looks like Corey Feldman, but that doesn't seem half as horrifying as the Hooky gif. I think it's the "AHHH".

― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:39 (thirteen years ago)

who told these dudes that "invisible doggystyle" was the DJ dance of choice

― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:41 (thirteen years ago)

they look like a dog rubbing shit across a rug. Which is fitting.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:47 (thirteen years ago)

anyone insulting these moves has obviously never been caught up in the mix before

― da croupier, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)

unless the mix is electrocuting them because something's not grounded they have no excuses.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:21 (thirteen years ago)

when caught up in the mix, one needs no excuses

― da croupier, Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:24 (thirteen years ago)

why does Skrillex look about Hooky's age

― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Thursday, 8 March 2012 17:47 (thirteen years ago)

Hopefully Hook's next tour will be: Nescafe presents PH + The Light perform 'The Idiot'

― Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:50 (thirteen years ago)

i won't repeat the thought i just had

― some crap (electricsound), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:54 (thirteen years ago)

you're just going to leave that hanging

― Feebs K-Tel (NickB), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:56 (thirteen years ago)

Much like Hooky's jaw.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

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