Best Kerrang Album of 1991 POLL (Ends May 11th)

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Best RAWK album of 1991? Or the year RAWK died?

Poll Results

Option	Votes
Nirvana - Nevermind	22
Redd Kross - Third Eye	12
Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger	6
Fudge Tunnel - Hate Songs In E-Minor	4
Entombed - Clandestine	4
Jellyfish - Bellybutton	2
Slayer - Decade Of Aggression	2
Guns n'Roses - Use Your Illusion II	2
Mötley Crüe - Decade Of Decadence	1
Alice In Chains - Facelift	1
Leatherface - Mush	1
Wolfsbane - Down Fall The Good Guys	1
Skid Row - Slave To The Grind	1
Sepultura - Arise	1
Kingofthehill - Kingofthehill	0
Dan Reed Network - Heat	0
Enuff Z'Nuff - Strength	0
Tesla - Psychotic Supper	0
Corrosion Of Conformity - Blind	0
Neil Young And Crazy Horse - Weld	0
New England - You Can't Keep Living This Way	0
Guns n'Roses - Use Your Illusion I	0
The Four Horsemen - Nobody Said It Was Easy	0
Mind Funk - Mind Funk	0
Metallica - Metallica	0

― The Twisted Pollstarter, Sunday, 6 May 2007 02:24 (eighteen years ago)

I have the Redd Kross , Soundgarden, Fudge Tunnel, Neil Young,Alice In Chains, Nirvana albums. Still love them all.
I'll give Redd Kross the vote though incase no one else does.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 02:40 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, Dan Reed Network!!! Oh Kerrang, you jokers.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

Nirvana for sure. Not that I was even tempted by anything else.

― JN$OT, Sunday, 6 May 2007 03:33 (eighteen years ago)

Well, to be fair, there are some decent things here besides Nirvana (Jellyfish, Redd Kross, Neil, Soundgarden), but there are many more completely unremarkable unmemorable wastes of time.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 6 May 2007 07:58 (eighteen years ago)

"Nevermind" is not metal, and thus better than anything else in that poll. :)

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 6 May 2007 09:17 (eighteen years ago)

Good to see the Kerrang! wimphem massive bulldozing New England in there. I honestly don't remember the existence of The Four Horsemen, who were they?

― Matt #2, Sunday, 6 May 2007 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

The Four Horsemen was some biker-kinda-rock-band with really bland AC/DC style riffs. They had a small radio-hit ("Nobody said it was easy") in The Netherlands (where I live) in that era which everyone except me seems to have forgotten.

― Marty Innerlogic, Sunday, 6 May 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

clandestine i say.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 6 May 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

I went with Wolfsbane because I really liked a Wolfsbane album once (the one that Rick Rubin put out), though I don't think it was that one. (I could also have gone with Leatherface, since I liked a couple Leatherface albums later. Fuck if I was gonna vote for Nirvana or Use Yer Delusions.)

A few glaring hard rocking ommissions:

The Electric Eels – God Says Fuck You (Homestead reissue)
Kix – Hot Wire (Atlantic)
Bang Tango – Dancin’ On Coals (Mechanic/MCA)
Anacrusis – Manic Impressions (Metal Blade)
The Nomads – Sonically Speaking (Sonet)
Kik Tracee – No Rules (RCA)
Junkyard – Sixes, Sevens & Nines (Geffen)

Hard rock song of the year: "Give In To Me," Michael Jackson.

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

I always hated Wolfsbane. Never heard of The Four Horsemen either.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Enuff Z'Nuff LOL

― billstevejim, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

Enuff Z'Nuff were okay, actually.

As were Redd Kross, up through Neurotica in 1987; after that, I'm kinda stumped by why anybody would care about them. But maybe I should go back and re-check out their mediocre late albums someday.

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm surprised Geir didn't go for Jellyfish as they're chock full of melodies and harmonies and that stuff he likes.

― Billy Dods, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

Later Redd Kross is not mediocre!! Phaseshifter and Show World were great. The album on this 1991 list is actually a favourite of mine. I'm looking forward to hearing their new one that's being made with Robert Hecker (the guitarist from the classic line-up in the late 80s.)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Badmotorfinger was the first album I ever bought, thus I feel kinda bound to pick it. If I recall correctly, that's a pretty good CoC album too.

― I eat cannibals, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

it is! a shame that lineup only lasted for that one album.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'd have to go with Badmotorfinger right now but I'd really like to hear Third Eye. That's the one with "I Don't Know How to Be Your Friend," right? I love Neurotica and their 70s covers to pieces.

― Sundar, Sunday, 6 May 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Third Eye is awesome. Chock full of fantastic tunes. You won't regret checking it out.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

Nevermind -- again, the only album that I'd be caught dead listening to on that whole list

― stephen, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

You and Kurt.

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

It's taken this long for a Kurt joke!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Tough choice between Clandestine and the Fudge Tunnel album. God, I loved Fudge Tunnel back then. But Creep Diets was much better than the debut, so Entombed gets it.

― unperson, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

My memory is that Redd Kross basically moved further and further away from their punky '80s glam-rock, and devolved into a powerless powerpop band largely indistiguishable from worthless bores like Teenage Fan Club. But someday I will re-investigate.

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

I have 9 of those albums. How many do you all have?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, what is this thing?

New England - You Can't Keep Living This Way

For a second I thought, wait, I like New England! Then I realized that I was confusing them with Nantucket (which is merely a maritime province.)

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

nantucket is a maritime province? i thought they were all in canada. nantucket IS a part of new england, however.

― scott seward, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wait, maybe I mean Newfoundland. (Is there a band called Newfoundland?) (Or Nova Scotia maybe?)

― xhuxk, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

there is new found glory and ars nova. think that's it.

― scott seward, Sunday, 6 May 2007 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

I think there might be a band called Nova Scotia. But I can't really be arsed checking that up haha.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

btw Phil, Though I like Creep Diets, Hate Songs In E Minor is a better album IMO.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 7 May 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)

I worship Redd Kross but being one of the first "cool bands" to sign to a a major label, they (IMO) fell prey to the soon-to-become familiar notion of the over-budgeted session (c.f. Albini rant of choice). (Strange that Big Dipper would have gone to a major so early but this is what killed them too.)

As is pointed out upthread, Show World and Phaseshifter kick all kinds ass though.

The family and I just watched (the film) "Deperate Teenage Lovedolls" (AGAIN!) the other night and I heartily recommend their webcom "Bitchin' Ass" as well as the Steven McDonald Group stuff.

I can't wait to hear what they do next. They are amazing.

(and "seminal"!!!, but not especially angular or anything like that)

― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 7 May 2007 05:31 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder what kind of stuff they will come back with. Neurotica re-release did really well so i hope they might return to that kind of sound.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 7 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Why do I get the feeling Metallica or Guns N Roses will win this without people actually saying on this thread they are voting for them?
Unless of course people just vote Nirvana as that's the only album they know.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 7 May 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

bands on this I've never heard
kingofthehill
New England
Mindfunk
the four horsemen.

I know Jason Everman was in Mindfunk and someone mentioned The Four Horsemen earlier so who are the other 2?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 7 May 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

Fell off the bottom of the page.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:44 (eighteen years ago)

mind funk! j/k j/k

― original bgm, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

I have never heard any Mindfunk. Am I missing out?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

For shame, they missed Voivod's Angel Witch, their (great) sellout album.

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Angel Rat I think you mean.

― Matt #2, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

New England were Journey-style AOR, I guess they were from New England, duh. Kingofthehill I only remember the name, sub Sea Hags maybe? If you can imagine such a thing.

― Matt #2, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know them either!! The AOR band I remember Kerrang promoting was Crown Of Thorns? It had a guy with long blonde hair (not like Nelson) really girly type hair. Never heard a thing by them apart from the video Raw Power showed. I think the gy used to be in a punk band.
Chuck will know who I'm talking about.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

There's only one real choice here. Can't be king of the world -- IF YOU'RE SLAVE TO THE GRIND!

― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh nooooooooo!! I hate Skid Row!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

I probably should have voted something else, most likely Metallica (The Black album is the first CD I ever bought, after all). However, how could I resist Sebastian and Snake and company?

― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

Quite easily, I did! ;)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

I believe that I owned or still own every disc on that list save for the New England and Kingofthehill. I am kinda surprised that Jellyfish ain't getting more ILM love - methinks that Kerrang! in the subject scared off the poptimists.

Anyways, the following are on the short list:

Nirvana - Nevermind
Slayer - Decade Of Aggression
Sepultura - Arise
Skid Row - Slave To The Grind
Alice In Chains - Facelift
Entombed - Clandestine
Neil Young And Crazy Horse - Weld
Corrosion Of Conformity - Blind
Redd Kross - Third Eye

It can't be Slayer or Neil Young since those are live records which means they are inherently flawed.

Underdogs are COC, whose "Blind" record is the last they put out that I liked - before Pepper turned them into Southern Rock-loving dorks, after their proto-metalcore that I also adored but for very different reasons, as well as Entombed. I still play both of those discs.

The Sepultura, Skid Row and Redd Kross discs I still like but since they pale in comparison to albums the bands recorded in other years, I have trouble calling them the best this year - not that a band's second best album can't *be* the best album in a given year, but I just don't think that was the case in 1991 (or most years, probably) (although I may give too much credence to 'best album by the artist' with these things).

However in the end, I must choose "Facelift" because this disc was only marginally less important to the evolution of music than Nirvana's was, but far more in terms of metallic influence and I play it a lot more than "Nevermind," truth be told.

― NYCNative, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

I thought Geir would like Jellyfish yet he said Nevermind was better than anything else in that poll.

Facelift was good but it's not the best AIC album. I think Dirt wins that award.

Btw There's a 1992 Kerrang poll http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=57658#unread

But loads moaned that they weren't warned it was Kerrang stuff and complained they hated all the choices.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

proto-metalcore

CROSSOVER, bro. metalcore just means that constipated "YAAARGH PUNCH YOU YAARGH" headbangers ball shit to me.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

Christ that list is awful, all washed-up glam bands and whiny grunge. No wonder I hated Kerrang at the time, completely oblivious to what was really going on.

It can't be Slayer or Neil Young since those are live records which means they are inherently flawed.

The Slayer one is fantastic though - better than South Of Heaven, Seasons and the five albums after it.

― Siegbran, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

proto-metalcore

Would mean, like, the Necros and Negative Approach in 1979.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

Or in 1981, I guess I mean. But as always, I'm dumfounded that there are still people who think metal and hardcore didn't merge until, like, the mid '90s or whenever. They've been swapping spit since at least the dawn of the '80s, if not earlier.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe some people weren't born then so don't realise. It's not like that 80s stuff gets played on MTV.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

I realize it! I meant proto-metalcore as to the stuff that is deemed metalcore now, a la the Trustkill-Ferret stuff of which old COC bears more than a passing resemblance to (and I doubt most of those bands heard Negative Approach whereas most of those bands doubtlessly were weened on the original crossover stuff).

― NYCNative, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

What is the big influence on modern day metal-core?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

Early COC, DRI and the like...

I didn't say the new crop were any GOOD at it though.

― NYCNative, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

Lineage aside, not much recent metalcore sounds like early DRI/COC though - Carnivore and Sick Of It All seem to be the template.

― Siegbran, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

yeah sick of it all and lunkheaded NYHC shit i'd say.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it was the modern bands who influence it I was meaning.
Biohazard an influence then?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

definitely. dumbed down metal + dumbed down hardcore + breakdowns.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

Biohazard were really big here for a while (uk) I know loads who were into them and you used to see lots of people around Glasgow with Biohazard tshirts.
I always thought they were a bit of an influence on nu-metal. How big are they in the states?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

we're not going to tell you until you promise not to do another poll

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Biohazard were really big here for a while

Same in Ireland. I almost saw them once on a big stadium tour-fest thing with Slayer -- who played most of Reign In Blood, which was awesome -- and Cradle of Filth, who were worth a laugh. I'm not a fan, but Evan Seinfeld was in Oz, which is cool.

Come to think of it, Biohazard and Machine Head were pretty much the beginnings of nu-metal, weren't they?

― MacDara, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

And incidentally, that same tour was famously the one that a load of bands (such as Pantera) pulled out of because it was just a couple of weeks after 11/9 and they were all too scared to fly, poor babies.

― MacDara, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

It was the early-mid 90s that Biohazard were big here. Didn't realise they were still popular in 2001. Scary thought.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Couple of hours voting left.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

It was the early-mid 90s that Biohazard were big here. Didn't realise they were still popular in 2001. Scary thought.

Bottom of the bill below Cradle of fucking Filth isn't really popular, though, is it? ;o)

― MacDara, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

Well, COF are fairly popular aren't they?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

Redd Kross at no2!!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

No real shocker at the winner, but surprised that Metallica didn't get any votes.

I saw Biohazard open for Clutch a few years back at the Troubadour in LA, which is a fairly small club. They were a lot of fun live, not so great on record though.

Also -- Carnivore rule all.

― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 10 May 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

I must admit I'm surprised Metallica got 0 votes.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

Nothing for Use Your Illusion I.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

That's because, with the two obvious exceptions, II is WAY better.

― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:34 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe, but I thought someone would like it. It is ILM after all.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 11 May 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)

hehe someone voted Wolfsbane

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

One thing for sure, looks like no one else has heard New England or The Four Horsemen. Unless they have, and they're shit and that's why no one voted!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 11 May 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

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