Kerrang/RAW Best Album of 1993 [Poll Closes 5/18/07]

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So, yeah. If you thought 1991 and 1992 were bad, wait'll you get a load of 1993. But, the Great Project must go on. 1994 and 1995 look pretty good, so until then, there are a couple decent records in this overwhelming pile of mediocrity.

Poll Results

Option	Votes
Nirvana - In Utero	10
Urge Overkill - Saturation	5
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream	5
Melvins - Houdini	5
The Wildhearts - Earth Vs The Wildhearts	4
Monster Magnet - Superjudge	2
Pearl Jam - Vs	2
Tool - Undertow	2
The Posies - Frosting On The Beater	1
Warrior Soul - Chill Pill	1
Raging Slab - Dynamite Monster Boogie Concert	1
Butthole Surfers - Independent Worm Saloon	1
Kiss - Alive III	1
Manic Street Preachers - Gold Against The Soul	1
Girls Against Boys - Venus Luxure No. 1 Baby	1
Sepultura - Chaos A.D.	1
Clutch - Transnational Speedway League	0
Bad Religion - Recipe For Hate	0
Def Leppard - Retro Active	0
Robert Plant - Fate Of Nations	0
Blind Melon - Blind Melon	0
Iggy Pop - American Caesar	0
Dream Theater - Live At The Marquee	0
Heart - Desire Walks On	0
Senseless Things - Empire Of The Senseless	0
Entombed - Wolverine Blues	0
Cry Of Love - Brother	0
Poison Idea - We Must Burn	0
Grotus - Slow Motion Apocalypse	0
The Dwarves - Sugarfix	0
Brad - Shame	0
Paw - Dragline	0
Carcass - Heartwork	0
Anthrax - Sound Of White Noise	0
Pitch Shifter - Desensitized	0
Motörhead - Bastards	0

― Jeff Treppel, Monday, 14 May 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

Good records: Entombed, Sepultura, Melvins, Monster Magnet, Carcass, Anthrax, Smashing Pumpkins, Urge Overkill, Dream Theater. I'm wondering how the hell both magazines managed to miss Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses, one of the best metal albums of the 90s.

― Jeff Treppel, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Also, Inhaler by Tad came out in 1993. I'm disappointed it seems to to have been recognised at the time.

― MacDara, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

That should be 'NOT to have been recognised', of course.

― MacDara, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

Records I like are
Pearl Jam - Vs
Entombed - Wolverine Blues
Sepultura - Chaos A.D.
The Wildhearts - Earth Vs The Wildhearts
Butthole Surfers - Independent Worm Saloon
Girls Against Boys - Venus Luxure No. 1 Baby
Nirvana - In Utero
Manic Street Preachers - Gold Against The Soul
Melvins - Houdini
Monster Magnet - Superjudge
The Posies - Frosting On The Beater
Warrior Soul - Chill Pill
Anthrax - Sound Of White Noise
Pitch Shifter - Desensitized
Senseless Things - Empire Of The Senseless
Clutch - Transnational Speedway League
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
Tool - Undertow
Urge Overkill - Saturation

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I still dig out that Urge Overkill from time to time. So dumb, and yet charmingly so. The subtle nuance of "Bottle Of Fur". A song about a soap opera actress that uses her character's name but talks about the actress' career. Classic all the way.

I'm going to go find it now. I must hear "The Stalker" - I need fake studio banter!

― EZ Snappin, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

Wildhearts, edging out Urge Overkill.

But is that Heart album any good? I never heard it.

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

All music says no. Which makes these lists very suspect, in my book. I get the feeling that RAW magazine haven't quite come to terms with the 90s yet. And I don't think the early 90s were as bad as all that. Maybe not as fun as the 80s, but there was a lot of good stuff being done.

― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

RAW tended to be more open-minded than Kerrang back then. They covered the alt-rock stuff more than Kerrang did, so they must have rated the Heart album highly to put it in.
Wonder what that PAW album is like. I had the Jessie single but never heard anything else.

I think I've got my choice down between Nirvana, Melvins, GVSB,Warrior Soul, Manic Street Preachers ,Wildhearts and Smashing Pumpkins now.
The Posies ,Entombed and Urge Overkill I do play sometimes though. Pearl Jam album is the one along with Vitalogy I tend to pull out now if I want to hear them.

I am inclined to go for In Utero though. But might give one of the others a vote assuming more vote Nirvana. But then again everyone might do that and it gets less votes. hmmm.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 08:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm impressed by the Posies' inclusion -- Mike Musberger! But I voted UO, figuring that yeah, plenty will go for In Utero.

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 08:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think when we had a big Kerrang-centred thread some time back I commented on what a weird list this was. I am tight with GVSB, 'Siamese Dream' and 'In Utero' and not fussed about most of the rest. Never heard those Melvins or Clutch albums, may well like them. The death metal bubble really burst around this time, didn't it?

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

You really need to check out that Melvins album. Still one of my favourites.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

The WIldhearts for me, although Melvins, Nirvana, Carcass and Entombed are all good too.

― Neil S, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

What? No Crowded House? Obviously "Together Alone" was the best album of 1993, but I don't expect hard rock nuts to realize that.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

Wtf would Crowded House have been in KERRANG/RAW? I know they moved away from their metal[/] roouts but not [i]that much!

Then again, in the 80s, U2, Kate Bush, The Alarm and Prince were on the cover.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

Are (the terminally dull) Crowded House really all that far from the Posies?

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

It's like asking why 36 Chambers isn't on the list, isn't it? Simply stating "this list is wrong, as are you people, my favourite is x" is not particularly helpful either.

― Neil S, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

"Wonder what that PAW album is like. I had the Jessie single but never heard anything else. "

Finally, a question that perhaps only I can answer! It sucked ass! The Jesse song was, like, second, and it was really great (the first being some sludgy quasi-intro song, if I recall), and everything else was a second-rate version of Jesse. I tried for years to defend it to my friends, then listened to it again and realized it WAS absolute ass.

I went with the Wildhearts over Nirvana, just based on recent listening habits. I liked the Nivrana much more at the time.
(I got the Wildhearts as a cassette from a pal who'd been signed to some ultimately doomed label deal, who as part of it got about 200 cassettes of the label and its subsidiaries acts. He gave me that, Melvin's Stoner Witch, Tad's most recent and a Kyuss album. I don't even know what he kept...)

― I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

I'm glad I never bought it then!!
Chuck how do you think this list compares to the 1991 and 1992 Kerrang/Raw lists?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

If we must pick from that list - my vote has to go to Tool's Undertow.

― christoff, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

This 1993 list is soooooo much better than tat 1992 list. I can't choose. Favorites: Anthrax, The Posies, Nirvana, Entombed, Carcass, Pearl Jam, Bad Religion, Sepultura, Tool. It's like my highschool years revisited.

― Marty Innerlogic, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

There are a lot of good albums, but very few of them are the bands' best. I'm sort of tempted to vote for Dream Theater, because even though it's a live EP, it's a really damn good live EP. I'll probably end up voting for Sepultura or anthrax, though.

― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)

Wtf would Crowded House have been in KERRANG/RAW?

They wouldn't belong. But they are a brilliant example of how specialist mags are a bad idea. If Q and NME were specialist mags for indie, they wouldn't have covered Crowded House either. None would.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

However, I am pretty sure the best (or at least most critically acclaimed) metal albums of 1993 were listed in NME and Q's lists, so why use a specialist list at all?

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

If you don't have specialist mags then many bands, who haven't sold a lot of records, wouldn't have any coverage. And you end up like NME/Q etc who pretty much cover all the same big bands. Which is one of the (many) reasons those mags suck.

Sadly Kerrang sucks now as well mostly. The only bands I like that they cover tend to be the ones Stevie writes about.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and Urge Overkill were the only bands from this list to make any of the other magazines. And you can't exactly call them metal, can you? Anyway, specialty magazines are a great idea: they allow people like me to write about metal CDs and get (barely) paid for it!

I'm not quite sure why you bother clicking on these threads, Geir. They clearly don't contain any music you would like, and it says right in the title that the lists are from metal magazines. I mean, I stay away from your Beatles/Pet Shop Boys/Prefab Sprout polls because that isn't my thing, and you've made it clear that you don't like hard rock/metal. You're certainly welcome to participate in the discussion, but as I think was pointed out above, it seems silly to come on here and say that the whole thread is moot.

― Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

Well, Geir probably can always find one thing that he likes in every poll TBH. I just wish that in clicking something like this he might give a band or too a chance, but that's wishful thinking.

he does like some hard rock anyway like Def Leppard, Van Halen etc. I'm pretty damn sure he'd like the 1st 2 Wildhearts albums. Chockfull of great melodic pop tunes. Ginger is a very good songwriter.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)

Voted Sepultura. Indisputable classic.

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'm beginning to think that everyone will think others will vote In Utero and vote something else then it will end up with hardly any votes.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)

Jeff do you like The Melvins?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 03:59 (eighteen years ago)

I feel like I should. I picked up Houdini for two dollars, but I've never really been able to get into it. It's okay, I guess. I don't get all the love.

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 04:06 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and Urge Overkill were the only bands from this list to make any of the other magazines. And you can't exactly call them metal, can you?

Grunge=hard rock=metal

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

he does like some hard rock anyway like Def Leppard, Van Halen etc

Even those I would have liked a lot better if they had removed every single one of those musical elements that make the eligible in Kerrang polls, remaining as pure pop bands with no rock elements at all.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

You mean Van Halen without Eddie? ;) haha

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

Grunge=hard rock=metal= wrong

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

Liked by metal fans though.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

Right, but that isn't what he's saying.

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

You know what? It isn't even worth getting into this.

― Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

Geir do you think Grunge was a good or bad things for heavy rock?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

I listened to that Warrior Soul cd today and it really is underrated. I think Kory Clarke doesn't like it because it was an album he had to make to get out of their Geffen contract.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

It's like asking why 36 Chambers isn't on the list, isn't it? Simply stating "this list is wrong, as are you people, my favourite is x" is not particularly helpful either.

Yeah geir if you're gonna complain that some bands were left out at least make it bands who would or should be covered in Kerrang. Crowded House are not one of those bands.

So anyone got any suggestions to what should have been in the 1993 lists for Kerrang/Raw?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

Last day for voting on Jeff's poll.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

I agree with Geir that Crowded House made a much better record than any of those, but it's not surprising for Kerrang not to cover that.

― Forest Pines, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

I know you liked Nirvana, Fp!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

I prefer the Vaselines though, to be honest.

― Forest Pines, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

I bet you and Geir both vote Carcass.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Only three candidates at all, for me: Superjudge, Sound Of White Noise and Bastards, and the latter two didn't even touch the first one when it came time to actually vote.

― unperson, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

Geir do you think Grunge was a good or bad things for heavy rock?

Personally I see it as a good thing because the songs were more melodic and the singers didn't scream nor grind (even though those of them who adopted Eddie Vedder's vocal style were still terribly annoying)

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah geir if you're gonna complain that some bands were left out at least make it bands who would or should be covered in Kerrang. Crowded House are not one of those bands.

I'm complaining that a specialist mag's list is being used for 1993. You should use a generalist mag like Q, or a generalist list like Acclaimed Music (which does also feature picks from specialist mags alongside all the generalist and newspaper ones)

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)

Strange, a lot of the people I remember who were into 80s metal complained that grunge was too heavy and didn't have the melodic pop of 80s heavy rock.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

You should use a generalist mag like Q, or a generalist list like Acclaimed Music (which does also feature picks from specialist mags alongside all the generalist and newspaper ones)

But none of those magazines covered the music Jeff likes. And if when you combine them all to make it fair, like I did for the 1992 poll. People complained there was too much to choose from and nearly 20 albums all got one vote each.
Mind you, they would complain about anything to do with the polls.

So Geir if you want to be fair, you should in future in your polls, include the Kerrang lists (unless it's before 1982 obviously) so it's fair for everyone.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

How many of the albums in this poll got in Q? Q is too closeminded, especially considering it's supposed to be a general music mag.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously. I didn't say that this was the poll for the entirety of 1993. It says right in the title, Kerrang/raw best album. I also fail to see how, say, Nirvana were more melodic than, say, Poison. More than 80s Metallica, possibly, but not more so than the mainstream stuff.

― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

You know Geir, it has to be done his way or he thinks its wrong. But you never see any more than a token heavy rock album in Q magazine. It leave outs far too many good albums in all genres as it only cares about what sells.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Strange, a lot of the people I remember who were into 80s metal complained that grunge was too heavy and didn't have the melodic pop of 80s heavy rock.

They didn't get it then, I guess. The grunge singers didn't scream and didn't grind. Which is probably more important than anything else as to why grunge was better.

But you never see any more than a token heavy rock album in Q magazine

Yes you do. Of course it leaves out those extreme genres that nobody who is quite right will ever like. No sane person could ever possibly like a genre as sickenly extreme as black metal. But other than that, it does include the best hard rock albums.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 17 May 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

They didn't get it then, I guess. The grunge singers didn't scream and didn't grind. Which is probably more important than anything else as to why grunge was better.

Neither did those wimpy hard(soft?)rock 80s bands who dominated the charts back then. That's why I'm surprised you don't like it. Those bands were all melodic heavy/soft rock. Not every 80s band was like Metallica/Slayer et al.

No sane person could ever possibly like a genre as sickenly extreme as black metal.

Not a big fan of BM myself, but obviously that's nonsense.

But other than that, it does include the best hard rock albums.

No it doesn't.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Sickeningly.

― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:59 (eighteen years ago)

Neither did those wimpy hard(soft?)rock 80s bands who dominated the charts back then.

I call it screaming when someone is pressureing his voice to sing higher notes that he would normally be able to. Bon Jovi, Joey Tempest, even several AOR singers. They all did that. Extremely annoying vocal style.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

So Nirvana did win then after all.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

Yes. The hipsters loudly proclaim that nothing on the list is worth anything, while the rest of us vote for stuff we actually like :P

I loved In Utero and especially Siamese Dream. There.

― humansuit, Friday, 18 May 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah most of them won't even look at it because it says KERRANG. That poll I made on 1992 , people complained because they weren't warned what magazine it was from.

Anyway I see it now tells you POLL RESULTS at the end of the thread title on the main page. Which is good.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 18 May 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if people will think 1994 and 1995 are better like Jeff does?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 18 May 2007 23:08 (eighteen years ago)

I am surprised just how many of these got zero votes.

― Forest Pines, Sunday, 20 May 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

I am totally surprised Entombed and Carcass got no votes.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 21 May 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

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