NOISECORE: S/D

Lots of American kids ran with this genre, but the stuff they'd call noisecore (Converge, early Cave In, etc) is probably a different kettle of fish.

Nah Converge isn't like stuff at all. I like em but it's well, not noisy enough to be included with this! Really Converge is just metalcore done well isn't it?

Can we include BORIS - VEIN in this? We should.

I don't know that - I love Boris but I'm not familiar with VEIN is that new?

what about all the mathy stuff, like Orthrelm? are you looking more wild?

i mean, i could list grindcore bands for hours here, but most of them are no longer active.

No no not grindcore, that stuff is too technical for this particular subgenre. Basically this stuff is like what the JAMC pretended to be. Intense noise and distortion combined with hardcore. Doesn't seem to be a lot of it about but it rules.

i have that disorder record, so i have a bit of an idea...

what about Code 13 or Dropdead? Dropdead definitely had some records that has supreme noise freakout moments, esp. on the one that goes backwards.

Yeah Code 13 were pretty cool - I don't know Drop Dead. I'm really looking for unlistenable noise racket over hardcore beats - probably my fave music ever.

Basically this stuff is like what the JAMC pretended to be

wha?

LOL what I meant was take the most noisiest songs off Psychocandy, speed them up, add hardcore drumming, and maybe turn up any gain/distortion, you might get to this.

oh shit, you might really like Dropdead. (one word). maybe i'll search through the boxes of old punk/hardcore records and digitize it for you.

It opens with a blast of dissonant guitar noise and quickly curls into a fuzzed-out riff of epic proportions, but rather than blast off into the mesosphere it goes the other direction entirely, dovetailing into a smattering of electronic near-ambience. After that an ominous, pounding doom metal session before some Japanese sample plays and the group kick off their fastest, angriest, punkiest sounding jam ever. Squiggly guitar solos, ungodly stampeding drums and Takeshi's vocals sounding their most ripped and ragged and alcohol-shredded.

Vein is Vinyl only. 2 long tracks(10/4 minutes), but the rest are around 0:50 - 2:10. Noisy as hell. Evil riffs.

Discordance Axis?

"noisecore" always meant anal cunt, 7 minutes of nausea, minch, early meatshits type stuff to me. and most people who use the term seem to think similarly.

Can't believe I forgot A.C.! But I usually think 'noisegrind' when I think of them. Oh well.

Mikko Aspa has made a good site about "true" noisecore:

http://www.cfprod.com/noisecore/noisecore.htm

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5794/noisecorefo0.gif

take the most noisiest songs off Psychocandy, speed them up, add hardcore drumming, and maybe turn up any gain/distortion

Combat Wounded Veteran?

That stuff is more like noisegrind as MacDara says, although I like some of that too. I'm talking about noisy hardcore punk bands. That's the origin of the term as far as I know.

Does Disrupt count? I've been listening to them a fair amount lately. Them and Siege.

how about le shok or an albatross?
or even arab on radar?

nope, all that's just hipster-noise trend-music not real noisecore!

didn't you see that graphic/link upthread?

http://www.cfprod.com/noisecore/noisecore.htm

GET WITH THE NOISECORE PROGRAM, SHEESH

;-)

heh heh, i have so MANY of those records. lot of Cripple Bastards and Agathocles.

Ruido de Odios are possibly one of the best of these sorts of bands i've ever heard. some guy named jorge in LA sent me a tape of them when i was 14 or so. blew my mind.

Cripple Bastards are cool.

Yeah I'd say Disrupt counts - great band. I was listening to them a couple of weeks ago.

This kind of stuff seems much more European than American. Here in the US, as far as I've ever heard, noisecore means A.C. and foreign bands with names like Genital Masticator. I just call this other stuff dis-core.

It's not really the same as discore - Discharge was obviously a big influence though.

what about GISM?

ha yeah i was gonna ask the same thing

well, they might be what you're looking for. they were mutant hardcore freaks who loaded their jams full of feedback, distortion, questionable production techniques, and a ton of industrial grime. very noisy, very intense. very insane. it all sounds like shit and wonderfully so.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=noisecore

i'll bet i'm the only fan of this album:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_albums/5/7/3/g57128adb3s.jpg

on ilm anyway. not, like, ever. not that it's really what you are looking for.

Here is a pretty blog about Japanese noisecore and it's roots:

http://damagingnoise.blogspot.com/2007/02/japanese-noisecore-nuff-said.html

lol I mean pretty GOOD blog and ITS roots. I'm tired.

waht is a genre?

yeah seriously, "noisecore" as a genre seems rather arbitrary, like someone just wanted a label to fit all their favorite bands in. superficially at least there's not much really to distinguish it from super-fast, sloppily-played grind or crust punk.

how about le shok or an albatross?
or even arab on radar?

Le Shok were just new wave crossed with no wave. Arab on Radar were noise/art rock (note that they were originally a dance-punk band, and subsequently half the band has gone on to the decidedly dance-punk Chinese Stars).

An Albatross, however, are just brilliant. Definitely not noisecore, though (I'd say prog-grind, myself).

self x-post

i mean, it does genuinely seem to refer to a specific subset of those kinds of bands but it doesn't feel like it really is it's own kind of music. but i guess the concept is already established enough by aficionados, so what do i know.

i like a lot of those japanese bands. i like most u.k.-derived jap punk though. i probably prefer the d-beat/grind stuff. how are chaos u.k. "noisier" than discharge? i always just called chaos u.k. "punk". i mean, both bands started around the same time. and discharge probably had more of an effect on future grind/metal/country of japan than almost anyone. and extreme noise terror fit the description of "noisecore" way better than chaos u.k. too! to me. nothing against chaos u.k. i dig their stuff. especially their more oi!-ish moments.

wait, wait, i've decided i don't care!

disregard my last post!

i've got some deathcore to listen to.

oh, and don't sleep on the mehkago n.t. EP/demo if you like ANY of the bands mentioned on this thread:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=113754468

seriously, one of my fave releases of the year.

I saw Extreme Noise Terror on Saturday, they were pretty good. In the context of what's being talked about here they are fairly... slick now

I have as of this afternoon become obsessed by EXIT HIPPIES http://www.myspace.com/exithippies - like I understand why everyone hates Japanophiles but this band basically could not come from anywhere else

Influences: dan curtin//Ashra,the orb,Psychic TV,Acid Gang,British Murder Boys//ELECTRO HIPPIES//Subsurfing//the wankys//CRASS// Carl Craig//mixmaster morris//SORE THROAT/ /SEDITION/afx//UR//dance mania rec//extintos//tantrum//doom//ENT//FLUX OF PINK INDIANS//Lee "Scratch" Perry//Sabres of paradise//NEU!//CFDL//LFO// Daniel Bell//Steve Reich//KLF//spiral tribe//Killing Joke//Derrick May//RAPT//SEDITION//orbital//STAGNATION//DISORDER//EASIES//death dust extractor//steve poindexter//GODFLESH//Conny Plank//Takaaki Itoh//masashi tashiro//Brian Eno//Throbbing Gristle//Basic Channel//Juan Atkins//minisery,the wankys,hardfloor,like a tim,beer,

Don't judge them on the two tracks up there BTW, go and download a bunch of stuff like I just did (uh, or buy the records if you find them)

Extreme Noise Terror played a free gig in the pub next door to my workplace last night! I was going to pop in and take a look but it looked a bit gnarly so I bottled out. As I was leaving at 11.30 a mini-riot seemed to be breaking out on Camden Road outside the pub between punks and skins or something. Noisecore lives!

I was thinking of going to that ENT gig but went to meet friends instead.

I just downloaded some Exit Hippies last week! Haven't listened yet.

i downloaded some exithippies last night. only listened to the split with wankys, which was nice n noisy but lacking in any obvious ash ra or house music influences.

Just listening to Lebenden Toten - woah total Confuse awesomeness with female vocals!!!

hmm maybe this is the best extreme noise terror thread out here?
anyway, Ratos de Porão doing a cover of them on a teen show in Brazilian tv in the early 90s
https://www.instagram.com/p/DQ1BWFUCMHu/