the bile is rising in my throat.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 16 June 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)
goodbye 20th century...
― Display Name, Saturday, 16 June 2007 03:46 (eighteen years ago)
i caffeined i dream
― tricky, Saturday, 16 June 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)
uh
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)
ysi?
table will ysi that bile right into your mouth, dude
― lfam, Saturday, 16 June 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)
Somehow that sums up what I've felt about SY for years.
― Soukesian, Saturday, 16 June 2007 08:05 (eighteen years ago)
Yo guys I heard they used an M.I.A. song in a commercial.
― 31g, Saturday, 16 June 2007 08:07 (eighteen years ago)
hey they were totally headed this way after dirty right? 'daydream nation' is a national recording registry pick! if i were 14 in a starbucks i'd totally buy ddn... after reading THIS:
223. Daydream Nation. Sonic Youth. (1988)
Pioneer members of New York City's clangorous early 1980s No Wave scene, Sonic Youth are renowned for a glorious form of noise-based chaos. Guitarists Thurston Moore and Lee Ranaldo had previously performed with Glenn Branca's large guitar ensembles, and their alternative guitar tunings and ringing harmonies attest to this apprenticeship. On Daydream Nation, their breakthrough album, the group's forays into outright noise always return to melodic songs that employ hypnotic arpeggios, driving punk rock rhythmic figures and furious gales of guitar-based noise. Bassist Kim Gordon's haunting vocals and edgy lyrics add additional depth to the numbers she sings.
― strgn, Saturday, 16 June 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)
sympathy for the strawberry > i dreamed i dream
― strgn, Saturday, 16 June 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)
ok I'm one of the last remaining "I hate it when good music gets used in commercials" fuxx and even I don't see what's the big deal about this
― J0hn D., Saturday, 16 June 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)
btw starbucks if u read this call my publisher, awesome thanks
― J0hn D., Saturday, 16 June 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)
"I Killed Tim Horton With My Grande Fucking Latte"
― Andy K, Saturday, 16 June 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)
Is it actually called a "Sonic Youth Celebrity Compilation"? Cuz that probably appealed to their Karen Carpenter side.
― da croupier, Saturday, 16 June 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)
is this really that surprising? doesn't anyone remember the GAP billboards with kim gordon? didn't thurston moore recently reveal that the source material for the songs on their last record was instrumental pieces he'd written for a series of bank commercials?
― Lawrence the Looter, Saturday, 16 June 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)
instrumental pieces he'd written for a series of bank commercials?
It starts at the top Now it's deflating down Works best when it's out Gainin' interest around
Never mind it now We can bring it back It's total cash And it's a natural fact That I track the Dow
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 June 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)
I don't see what's the big deal about this
People with crap taste in coffee buying a compilation? Hmm, come to think of it, I don't see the fussy either.
― nathalie, Saturday, 16 June 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)
Come on, SY - don't you know the true path to hipness is via a Tim Horton's comp????? Tim Bits and a DDN to go, please!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 16 June 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)
Dunkin Donuts Nation
― Tape Store, Saturday, 16 June 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)
The idea that this should be thought of as jaw-dropping is kind of jaw-dropping. Call me when the Starbucks G.G. Allin compilation comes out.
― dlp9001, Saturday, 16 June 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)
I'm just disturbed at the idea of Grande latte swillers swaying their hips to a bossa nova version of Teenage Riot.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)
But lol elitist/rockist/corny indie fuxxor etc
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)
it's the perfect soundtrack to the african teenage riot soldier bio they've been shilling.
― scott seward, Saturday, 16 June 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)
i think the only reason it's so jaw-dropping to me is that...well, i haven't paid SY any attention since Sonic Nurse, so the fact that they'd be okay with doing something for Starbucks (right on paul mccartney's back, mind you) kind of made me go, "whuh?"
― the table is the table, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)
i love you, sonic youth.
this is more punk than punk then back to punk then past it again and then back to it.
pulling a slim moon that's actually FUNNY.
― andi, Saturday, 16 June 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)
<i>this is more punk than punk then back to punk then past it again and then back to it.</i>
I love how SY has made fans think this is what's going on -- that it's some nod/wink Warholian punk thing, when in fact they've been marketing whores for years now. No diff than all the mindless commercials on television.
― QuantumNoise, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
Sonic Youth is no different than all the mindless commercials on television?
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)
I want to clarify that what I'm aghast at is the inevitably awful music this project is going to produce, not the concept of it being sold in a Starbucks. I didn't really get the hoopla about the new Macca album either.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)
What about those weird tuning? You don't hear that in all of television's mindless commercials. X-post
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)
Isn't this CD a compilation selected by different celebrity fans? Except for the one new song, hasn't the "inevitably awful music" already been produced?
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)
-- QuantumNoise, Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:06 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
you are an idiot.
― andi, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, that's what it looks like, celebrity picks and one new tune: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/43669-starbucks-to-release-sonic-youth-celebrity-compilation (xpost)
I hope the new song is good! I like the idea of them doing a one-off song between albums that won't be some half-assed instrumental thing for an indie compilation. Also depending on what celebrities they ask, the song choice could be pretty interesting.
― Alex in Baltimore, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)
oh well fuck me then, bring it on starbuck youth
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)
-- andi, Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:30 PM
Putting aside the fact that QuantumNoise is picking on you, do you think he's wrong?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 June 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)
I drink drip coffee only, black, a lot of it, and Starbucks is above average.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)
I like the idea of them doing a one-off song between albums that won't be some half-assed instrumental thing for an indie compilation.
covers aside, I can't think of a time SY has ever used their whole ass for a comp track.
― da croupier, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:29 (eighteen years ago)
Thurston's "oh yeah we gotta get around to that" tone doesn't promise much either.
― da croupier, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)
She knows how to make foam for me She know how to make foam Starbucks-power, Starbucks-power, Starbucks-power Over Me
― dlp9001, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
yes! very much so! really. i haven't played sy in years, but shit like this just reminds me why i kind of love 'em. it's just a laugh. get it or don't (which is fine, if you don't). just don't laugh at someone for laughing.
― andi, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)
Or, with record/CD stores closing with alarming regularity, SY might just be exploring another possible venue for selling their product.
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)
And I can't blame any band for that.
I wonder if they've heard of the internet.
― the table is the table, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)
I'm sure they have.
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:55 (eighteen years ago)
You're suggesting that bands looking for alternatives limit themselves to Internet retailers?
― Binjominia, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)
i wonder if they've heard of making a living for years now, off of what they've been doing.
― andi, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)
i've always wondered if the sonic youth apologists (contorting themselves into explaining how all these commercial endeavors are, um, "punk") are the same people who think a band like the Who are hopeless corporate sellouts for doing essentially the same things.
― Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 17 June 2007 01:05 (eighteen years ago)
-- dlp9001, Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
Please stop it.
― Mr. Que, Sunday, 17 June 2007 01:06 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/vanilla_sky/cum.wav
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 17 June 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)
What was jaw-dropping to me was just that Starbucks would have seen enough commercial potential to be interested in doing this.
― Sundar, Sunday, 17 June 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)
Sundar making the only sense on this thread so far.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 17 June 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe the fact that the cover art's meaning is even debatable is a good sign as to its effectiveness. "All great art provokes either extremely positive or extremely negative reactions, lots of controversy, different interpretations," etc. etc.
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:00 (seventeen years ago)
Jesus Christ there is so much projecting going on in this thread. I love the basic assumption that anyone stepping foot in a Starbucks is automatically a mouthbreathing retard.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:02 (seventeen years ago)
Don't worry about that silly;)
Is it more that there's still a kind of disconnect between being on tv/radio/mall and associated with a corporate behemoth? Like a lot of the rhetoric is about taking over or doing well, on own terms - rather than being tied up with a corporate company (disregarding that hooking up with a corporate might actually *be* someone doing it on their terms!)
I think the art is kind of functional with a little tongue in cheekness about it. Depends who was responsible for the design itself, it would be good to ask them!
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:04 (seventeen years ago)
Depends who was responsible for the design itself
highly OTM ^
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:07 (seventeen years ago)
What's wrong with a band selling at Starbucks? How is that any different from selling at, say, Target? Or at Best Buy? How is that different from licensing a song to a commercial? Or a movie? Do you really care if a band wants to expand its fanbase a bit? Is "artistic" "integrity" that strict, that bands cannot market their music through popular avenues like the Starbucks record racks?
Watch this film -- narrated by Thurston Moore -- and ask those questions again.
― Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:08 (seventeen years ago)
Isn't the basic assumption not that stepping in Starbucks is for dumb people. but that buying starbucks branded media is for dumb people
I think thats a bit sad tho, i hope we aren't criticizing people for their choice of media consumption!
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)
http://thumbnail.search.aolcdn.com/vsthumb5/tn/90/F9/90F9D88153DADCF277DEEE.jpg
― jeff, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)
I wonder what people would think of a Starbucks branded Charles Mingus CD?
If i was in Starbucks i would probably buy one. I might buy the sonic youth one too if i was stopping off for coffee in a town somewhere and didnt have any music in the car
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:11 (seventeen years ago)
What is that picture Jeff?
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:12 (seventeen years ago)
f i was stopping off for coffee in a town somewhere and didnt have any music in the car
haha yeah. we've got a reggae comp from there because of this reason basically. damn impulse buy!
― andrew m., Friday, 23 May 2008 20:14 (seventeen years ago)
Lots of people buy stuff for this reason! Ive bought stuff I already had when ive been on a roadtrip
If you took the writing away from the starbucks cd it looks like a Bowery Electric cd
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:17 (seventeen years ago)
I imagine that the band thinks that an audience that would get upset or be insufficiently discerning about departures from purity on the part of their entertainers ultimately has some stifling impact on artistic creativity.
― gabbneb, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:17 (seventeen years ago)
I think it might be that they are doing what they want to do;)
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:18 (seventeen years ago)
It kinda looks like a scene from one of their videos. You know, the high school romancey one, or was that Dinosaur Jr?
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:22 (seventeen years ago)
that is JAWSUS
― jeff, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)
roadtrip impulse buys are the best
― s1ocki, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:26 (seventeen years ago)
I got this on a road trip
http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Tears-Kay-Adams/dp/B0002B16EG
Its very good. Better than Sonic Youth and Starbucks:P
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:28 (seventeen years ago)
I've seen it. Here's a quote from the film that, basically, sums up what it's about:
"But even though music is the popular medium -- it's the people's medium -- it really isn't the people's medium in our society today. It's the property of four or five companies who have inordinate control over what sort of music gets produced and what sort of music doesn't, and that made it much more difficult for it to be the people's medium, and this is the problem we face. This is the crisis we face." -- Robert McChesney, University of Illinois
So tell me, how is that applicable to SY choosing to sell a hits compilation at Starbucks? Are they being forced to do so? Is the record company exercising its control over what gets produced in this case? Because if I recall, this was SY's decision to go forward with this compilation. Thurston seems excited about it in the interviews I've read. I don't think it's a good example of "the people's medium" being stifled or silenced. It's just a new way of marketing SY's music to more people.
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:38 (seventeen years ago)
I was going to ask the same question but hadn't seen the film, so I would have been talking out of my ass. Thanks, stephen!
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)
I don't have a problem with them making their music available as broadly as possible. More power to them! But the cover looks to me like a slam on the people they're selling to, which is just a bummer. Like they're condescending by making their works available to power-coffee drinkers instead of whatever more authentic audience they envision for themselves. And yeah I'm projecting here, but that's what it looks like to me.
― dad a, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:49 (seventeen years ago)
Hang on, is that Michelle Williams the actress or Michelle Williams the singer?
(I kind of agree with dad a.)
― Sundar, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
Again: It's all in how it's interpreted. Which is the beauty of it, to me.
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:55 (seventeen years ago)
the cover looks to me like a slam on the people they're selling to, which is just a bummer
does that guy look like the people you see in a Starbucks store? clearly, he is a 'corporate' guy. some people regard Starbucks as a purveyor of 'corporate' coffee.
― gabbneb, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:56 (seventeen years ago)
the cover says, "look at us, we're selling out!"
― gabbneb, Friday, 23 May 2008 20:57 (seventeen years ago)
I'm going to love it when it's revealed that the "cover" is actually a quick Photoshop done by a Pitchfork news staffer.
― jaymc, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:00 (seventeen years ago)
that would be v v disappointing
― gabbneb, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:01 (seventeen years ago)
I think they simultaneously like the idea of selling their music in Starbucks, because it will reach a lot of people and they'll make a little money, and also realize the ridiculousness of it, and that they'll catch shit for it. But they've been around long enough and have nothing to prove so they don't really care. So they're making fun of themselves and their fans with that cover also, but hopefully everyone involved is in on the joke and can have a chuckle. It's not an either/or kind of situation. And I think lots of people who go to Starbucks, even heavy users, realize there is something a little comical about the whole Starbucks experience. Hence the number of comedians who have made jokes about there being a Starbucks on every corner.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:03 (seventeen years ago)
^^real talk
― jaymc, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:08 (seventeen years ago)
On the back cover of his first major label solo LP, Thurston Moore was wearing a Ralph Lauren Polo pinpoint Yarmouth oxford dress shirt.[2]
― Steve Shasta, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:21 (seventeen years ago)
who cares?
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
Ben Weasel to thread
― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)
(full disclosure: i own both the Psychic Hearts LP and a similar Ralph Lauren Polo dress shirt.)
― stephen, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
JAW ON THE FLOOR
― deej, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:49 (seventeen years ago)
~~jaw on the floor lookin boy~~
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 May 2008 21:51 (seventeen years ago)
yes deej, we noticed, thanks for continuing to point it out
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
ts: repeating lol thread title vs. tedious debate about 'sellouts' and starbux
― deej, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:56 (seventeen years ago)
horrible, awful, gay, jaw, on, the, floor
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 May 2008 21:56 (seventeen years ago)
aaaaaaaaaanyway who gives a shit if they are selling via starbucks, let them get money they deserve it
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 May 2008 21:57 (seventeen years ago)
and if youre all up in arms psychoanalyzing the cover you need to take a step back for a sec
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 May 2008 21:58 (seventeen years ago)
Why are you two douchebags posting on this thread if you don't care so much again?
― Alex in SF, Friday, 23 May 2008 21:59 (seventeen years ago)
cuz i thought the shock and horror in the op was lol ill leave it be now tho, be cool
― deej, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)
genuine lols! I wrote to MRR arguing with that letter of his!
― sleeve, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)
But I like talking about the cover!
― cherry blossom, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
Reading the Weasel scribe is the gem of owner the Master Dik 12"
― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:05 (seventeen years ago)
owning
Hello, just popped in to say: the funniest comment so far has to be
"What do you mean, Starbucks make above average coffee, didn't you see the survey/test panel results?"
― Mark G, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:10 (seventeen years ago)
I take it they never got round to recording that 'special' track for this, anyroad.
um, they did. It's the last track on the CD.
― Mackro Mackro, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:12 (seventeen years ago)
oh yeah.
My only objection is that the CDs Starbucks sell aren't exactly 'discount', even though they look cheap.
― Mark G, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)
HI I AM CORPORATE DRONE I NEBER HERD OF SONIC YOUTH WATS DAT IS IT CLASSIC GENIUS LIKE RAY CHARLES OOH PRETTY PICSHURE
cracked me up
I am excited to buy this. At the Starbucks I stopped at tonight for a delicious iced latte, they had a Doors greatest hits CD and a James Brown greatest hits CD for sale by the register.
― Savannah Smiles, Friday, 23 May 2008 22:23 (seventeen years ago)