Article Feature - 102 Beats That #13

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I'm going to do them in batches of 12, not 6. Just 6 would be ass. Here's some more!.

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Next instalment Sunday night or Monday, depending when I get back after the weekend. Contributions from a HOST OF ILM STARS including Julio, the Dirty Vicar, the Poster Formerly Known as K-Reg, jel, Dare, Graham and Douglas Wolk!

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice work...I wish I had some Boredoms in my bag for the bus ride home. Bravo.

― Mark, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

People who write about Boredoms today are tomorrow's new age mystics.

― dleone, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, duplicate Boredoms action, and in the same chunk too - still it convinces me to buy the record next time I see it.

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I should probably print the original of Michael Bourke's piece too - sorry Michael!

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I LOVE the editing job don on Michael's piece. I think it should just stay as is.

Honda's really makes me want to check the record out.

Mike's -- I'm v.v. impressed, but somehow it seems vaguely familiar.

Sean -- he stole my idea (cf. last pop music focus group).

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Two reviews of "VCN". What were the odds of that?

― o. nate, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with Sterling about Honda's choice. What is this marvelous sounding thing, I ask?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, has your wordcountizer gone bonkers? Sean C.'s review = 101 words.

― Andy k, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For what it's worth, I think all these 102BT are the best set of reviews I've ever read. Thanks.

― Marianna, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Andy you have hit on the dirty secret of 102 beats that.

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes this is great and all but is this not the type of consumer guide thumbnail grab-n-go music journalism that is responsible for killing off rock and roll cricism as we know it?

― Andy K, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm happy to use my scorched-earth ninja editing skillz on All Music Guide reviews if that's what you mean, Andy - more space for the ads!!

― Tom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I AM VELVET Y

― mark s, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this is a terrific bunch of reviews - but maybe part of that's because I'm more interested in the stuff this time. and, ofcourse, it's nice to see my own thoughts about Escalator Over The Hill encapsulated in so few words by someone else.

― philT, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

People who write about Boredoms today are tomorrow's new age mystics.

Why be a new-age mystic tomorrow when you can be a Buddhist today?

Sterl - yeah, I drastically re-worked a Cultural Artifact from an e- mail a month or two back. I think this is also the second or third time I've ever used the phrase "the majesty or crypts and galaxies."

― Michael Daddino, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

cultivated or not, mike, it said what i've been trying to say about that record for three years now.

― jess, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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Sterling: ! 0|\|1`/ 5+341 |=r0|\/| +|-|3 835+.

― Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My review is to be taken with caution since I am endlessly obsessed with that woman. Because of stuff like this.

― Honda, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom!....swear to fuck! GENIUS! hehehhe

― michael bourke, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hats off to Tom Ewing !!! Hats in the air and let'em do a big fucking spin!...I'll shut up now...

― michael bourke, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't let that picture get around too much, Honda -- Ramosi will want some of that action.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

lets make a move towards the stranglers..............let the ppl talk...

― michael bourke, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, way to go Simon! And way to go Guinevere: I was hoping I would get something I'd never heard but always meant to...

― Jeff W, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''Next instalment Sunday night or Monday, depending when I get back after the weekend. Contributions from a HOST OF ILM STARS including Julio, the Dirty Vicar, the Poster Formerly Known as K-Reg, jel, Dare, Graham and Douglas Wolk''

What a quality cast! can't wait.

― Julio Desouza, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone else notice Big Block 454 was referred to as Big Block 154 in the title? Somebody has a Wire loose.

― nickn, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And of course this all makes me wish I wasn't such a lazy bastard and had done one like I planned. Good job, all.

― nickn, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking of the Boredoms: the band biographies on AllMusic.com are usually pretty good - in fact, often quite informative - but the Boredoms biography is really an embarrassment to the site. The biography starts with this execrable sentence: "With the support of Sonic Youth and Nirvana behind them, Boredoms released a major-label album in 1993, which may be the most impressive thing about this almost unlistenable band." And it doesn't recover from there. The album reviews are mostly better (and perhaps not coincidentally, a lot more positive about the band), but their enthusiasm is not reflected in the generally low star ratings. All in all, a blot on AMG's usually sterling record.

― o. nate, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nate - Ruins gets the same strangely haphazard treatment. I've sent not 1, not 2, but 3 little form-feedback things about the Ruins discography, but I guess they don't want to take my word for it. I also sent them a link to the Magaibutsu site, but again, why trust Tatsuya Yoshida when you can just leave it as it is?

― dleone, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The album reviews are mostly better (and perhaps not coincidentally, a lot more positive about the band)

Even less coincidentally, you'll notice a fair amount were done by me.

but their enthusiasm is not reflected in the generally low star ratings

Andy Kellman has mentioned this before -- the star system and the reviews are unfortunately not always linked, and this has caused problems in the past. They do revise things as they go (one time my rave for Violator had a two-star rank or something -- this has since been changed).

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr. Leone -- apologies for the ignorance on our part. We get a lot of those feedback messages, and the signal to noise ratio isn't exactly good. The feedback messages of worth do get overlooked from time to time, or it takes a good deal of time before someone takes care of them. We would have to employ a number of full-time people to stay on top of those messages, but they're not exactly our top priority. At any rate, if you feel up to providing that info again, please contact me directly.

― Andy K, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr. Leone

Well OK then! Feel free to complain about Pitchfork too.

― dleone, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well OK then! Feel free to complain about Pitchfork too.

I'm not sure if I'm taking the above statement correctly or not, but I wasn't complaining in my post -- I was just explaining that it wasn't as if we weren't 'taking your word for it'. Instead, it's quite possible that those messages you provided us weren't seen at all. That's our fault, and so I was apologizing for it.

― Andy K, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I was definitely complaining in mine! :) Anyway, you're about to get too much Ruins info, so now's the time to protest.

― dleone, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Even less coincidentally, you'll notice a fair amount were done by me.

Now that you mention it, I see that all of the album reviews were done by ILM regulars: you and Richard-san. In fact, the album reviews are not bad at all - it's really only the biography(!) and the star ratings that I'd object to. I gather that the album reviewers don't have control over those things.

― o. nate, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I gather that the album reviewers don't have control over those things.

Freelance reviewers generally have control over the ratings.

― Andy K, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Freelance reviewers generally have control over the ratings

Well that makes sense, since this case (the Boredoms page) seems to be an exception rather than the rule. Not to get too overwrought - for the most part I'm quite grateful for the AMG as a resource. Today for some reason this just seemed to be too glaring to pass over without comment.

― o. nate, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this really reminds me that i need to turn in my review of rebore vol. 0. andy, there's no statuate of limitations is there? ;)

― jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Today for some reason this just seemed to be too glaring to pass over without comment.

There's no reason to feel sheepish about your criticisms. We encourage them.

andy, there's no statuate of limitations is there?

Unless someone asked to review it well over a month after you had it OK'd. It looks like you're still good to go.

― Andy K, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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