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hahahaha awesome!

Indeed. Your willful marination in your own bile, Geir, is always
amusing -- especially when we so happily love what you hate, and
then, in some of our cases, also love what you love. How can you
stand yourself? *wink*

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From: j...@dc✧✧✧.U✧✧✧
Date: Mon, 15-Apr-85 10:34:45 EST
Local: Mon, Apr 15 1985 8:34 am
Subject: Re: Vangelis Bladerunner soundtrack

I hate to disappoint all of you Vangelis/Bladerunner fans, but the original soundtrack of Bladerunner was never released on record, so don't waste your time looking for it. I remember reading a letter from the record company that said something to the effect that Vangelis was working on a lot of different things, and that he didn't feel that he could fit a Bladerunner album into his plans, nor could he fit the music in with any of his other projects. Commercially speaking, I think it was a very unwise decision, since it came hot on the heels of his "Chariots Of Fire" popularity, and as another soundtrack to a popular movie, Bladerunner would have been a logical and probably successful followup. Instead, somebody came up with the orchestrated version to try to cash in on Vangelis' popularity, since Vangelis chose not to cash in on it himself.

Anyway, it's not a hopeless situation. I have an idea of how to get a
recording of the original soundtrack, assuming you have a cassette deck. I'm not sure if it's legal, but since it's probably the only way to get the music, nobody should mind. All you have to do is rent a Beta Hi-Fi video recorder, assuming you don't already have one, and then rent a Beta Hi-Fi version of the movie. Then, hook the video recorder up to your audio tape deck, and record the music you like. It may be a difficult editing job, but the sound quality should come out better than if you had taped the record (if there was one). I'm thinking of trying out this idea on Pink Floyd's "The Wall", since no soundtrack record was ever released and many of the songs are very different from or do not appear on the Wall album.
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I might have posted this before; it's very funny. 1986 review of Kraftwerk's Electric Cafe:

http://groups.google.com/group/net.music.synth/browse_thread/thread/142654f8ed7a3947/dd8c18bd64640e58?lnk=st&q=group%3Anet.music+electric+cafe&rnum=1#dd8c18bd64640e58

"satirical lyrics"

Autobahn, Pocket Calculator etc = satirical lyrics. Correct?

they're fun lyrics, I'm not sure about satirical? I'm not really sure what the English lyrics to "Autobahn" are

"Fun fun fun on the autobahn", a satire on the Beach Boys' "Fun Fun Fun". Cos autobahns are famously boring.

old Usenet threads sadden me.

Their new album "Electric Cafe" is their first full length album release
since "Computerworld" which was released in 1981. I wouldn't want to
wait another 5 years for another album

I though the English was "Drive drive drive on the autobahn". Not any sort of German expert, though.

Maybe, but the satirical intent is still there.

they're fun lyrics, I'm not sure about satirical? I'm not really sure what the English lyrics to "Autobahn" are

The chorus goes "We're driving, driving, driving on the Autobahn." The full English lyrics are on the rear sleeve of the LP.

"Fun fun fun on the autobahn", a satire on the Beach Boys' "Fun Fun Fun". Cos autobahns are famously boring.

When the song was popular, I thought it was "We're fond, fond, fond of the Autobahn." Typical Teutonic reticence, thought I.

amazing thread geir!

Perhaps they like autobahns! I like autobahns! Autobahns are great.

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From: Geir Hongro <knhon...@onl✧✧✧.n✧>
Date: 1997/03/08
Subject: Re: Ned Raggett Dead??
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>Brian MacDonald wrote:

>> I just heard this awful rumor that a.m.a veteran
>> Ned Raggett died in a car crash!! Is this possibly true??

It seems rumours about your death are a bit overdone... :-)

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I'm getting better.

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I really hate to do this, but its driving me crazy! Every day for the past week, every time I get into my car and turn on a local radio station (WHDZ...Z 100 from Newark... "from the top of the empire state building, broadcasting to the universe...Z100") I have heard a song with some chipmunk-voiced woman singing "We're living in a Material World" Question:Who sings this? Thanks, Bob Switzer
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We all on ILM are doomed.

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From: r...@ho✧✧✧.U✧✧✧
Date: Tue, 28-Jun-83 09:16:30 EDT
Local: Tues, Jun 28 1983 6:16 am
Subject: Devo and post-hippies

Heard an interview on the radio this morning with Devo. One of the
questions asked was: "What did Devo think the main impact of their
early music [Mongoloid era] was." Devo responded with "... to separate the hippies from the post hippies." Good morning, David Crosby.

(Discussion of a "tape tax")

As to $7 recordings, or even $10 recordings ... I listen to classical, jazz, etc. A state-of-the-art recording costs me from $12 to $18 PER DISC. I pay it, since if I get 100 plays out of the disc, I have paid $0.18 per play.

With a reasonably good cartridge and the vinyl used by Teldec, Telefunken, et al I could probably play tem 300 times.
Soon digital compact discs will be available. These will cost probably $18 per, wit 40 min. to 65 min., with some improvement coming in the future.

I WILL pay it, since these last forever (we hope) and, with small exception, the music that I listen to is of such value that it will not die with the next group to come out. Can you say that? Perhaps if you expect to only want 20 ro 30 plays from a recording before you mark the music on it obsolete then you have a different situation.

http://groups.google.com/group/net.music/browse_thread/thread/b3cd899d662a91d4/5dc9fe94dadc8c40?lnk=gst&q=compact+disc&rnum=17&fwc=1

even better:

  The problem with a "tape tax" is simply that there are a lot of other

uses for blank recording tape besides copying copyrighted material. Musicians

use it to record themselves, people actually even record things besides music

(God forbid!). It isn't really fair to ask everyone to pay for those who

use the tapes to copy records.

  The best solution to sagging record sales is to make the price reasonable.

I stopped buying albums when the price passed $7 apiece. I think it's

outrageous. Concert tickets average around $15 these days as well. Maybe all

the superstars will have to switch from Rolls Royces to Cadillacs for a while

(breaks my heart :-)  ). I realize that the non-superstar artists suffer more

than the superstars. I think what we are seeing here is more people want to

be musicians than the market will support, which accounts for the troubles

of the "non-mainstream" artists a lot more than taping records, and the

superstars are WAY overpaid. I love the Stones, but $20 to see Mick Jagger

prance around for maybe 90 minutes is a blatant rip-off. Those of you who have

sent me mail asking why I like the Dead so much, here's one reason. They usually

play for 3 1/2 to 4 hours. Most bands, however, don't even give you 2 hours for

your twenty bucks. Cut down on the number of artists and lower the price of

records. I'd much rather have the album with cover and associated artistry

than a blank cassette with my hadwriting on the outside any day, but my

principles take over when the price is up around $8.50 to $12 a record,

I'll buy a blank tape for $2.50 (or even $3 if they imposed a tape tax!) over

paying a ridiculous price for a record.
                        GREG

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$20 to see mick jagger prance around is a bargain!

Oct 16 1984, 11:44 pm

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From: l...@roches✧✧✧.U✧✧✧ (Lee Moore)
Date: Wed, 17-Oct-84 02:44:33 EDT
Local: Tues, Oct 16 1984 11:44 pm
Subject: The Theory and Practice of Party Tapes

Since there seems to be some interest in the topic of party tapes, I would like to contribute the following thoughts on: The Theory and Practice of Party Tapes

1) Choosing the music
Your choice of music is going to be your most pivotal decision. No "if"s, "and"s or "but"s. The first thing to realize is that there is no necessary relationship between good listening and good dance music. This applies to rock or jazz just as it applies to folk. Silly lyrics can have their place on the dance floor IF they are backed up a tune that makes you move. Resist the urge to play In-na-gadda-da-vida just be cause it represents your formative years. Carefully examine any live cuts you might want to play as they often contain long passages of jamming that confuses dancers and causes a general loss of party momentum. Be aware that not all party music has to be danceable to be successful. There is a class of music in the "sing-along" category which, though undanceable by techniques known to Western Civilization, will get people to twitch as they g. ...and people do love to sing! Examples of this in Rock music are "Born to Run" and "She Blinded Me with Science". When it comes down to actual choices, you will have to be guided by your taste and the tastes of your guests. Since your music will all be pre-recorded, you must guess in advance what will be successful. This is quite un-like the situation of a live DJ who can adjust to the mood of the crowd. (When I have done live dances, the crowd didn't waste any time in letting me know their preferences.) Folks at my parties tend to prefer a mix of oldies (Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Motown...) and popular "new" music (Clash, Prince, Talking Heads, B-52s, English Beat...). People usually respond better to music that they are familiar with. While you shouldn't be afraid of putting in new or undiscovered music, you shouldn't use your dance tapes as a medium for showing off how much more you know about music than anybody else.

2) Ordering the music
A friend of mine once made about six hours of party tapes in which the songs were arranged in strictly chronological order. By midnight, the music was only at 1966. While this approach is academcally laudable, it was not greeted by popular acclaim. Try to mix up the order of the tunes so that people will be pleasantly surprised by the juxtaposition. This doesn't mean that you should play head games with the song titles. The matching up such songs as "She's So Cold" with "Hot Stuff" is almost always lost on the listener. Instead, look for rhythmic and stylistic similarities that can let you bridge. For example, follow a motown song with The Jam's "A Town Called Malice". When people settle into a rhythmic groove, don't jerk them around by radically changing the speed between songs. Songs have moods which they lay on the listener. Try not to make frequent changes in the mood. For example, the Stones "Miss You" has a dark tone while the Go-Go's "Vacation" has a playful giddyness.

While it used to be that one programmed two quick songs to one slow song, contemporary taste has almost sent slow songs the way of the do-do bird. Any more, slow songs will just clear the dance floor. Use them sparingly.

3) Recording the music
The important thing here is to keep the songs closely spaced to each other. Otherwise, people will feel awkward hanging out for the next tune to start. The faster the beat, the closer the spacing. I have access to two turntables and a mixer so I can overlap songs. I have done tricks like timing the last crash of ABC's "Look of Love" with the first chord of "Beat It". (Note 1: this was before M.J. became un-cool. Note 2: this bit of artistry went un-noticed by most listeners) This does illustrate an important subliminal property which is keep the beat going without people stopping. If you get it exactly right, people can keep bopping right through segues. "Stars on 45" carry out this principle ad-nausium (sp?).

4) Playing the tapes
As you can see, I am in favor of never letting the music stop. For this reason, I suggest that you borrow *two* tape decks and alternate between them. While one deck is playing, you can queue up the next deck with headphones. Because of unpredictable mood swings in your guests, be prepared to switch the order that you play the tapes in. For example, you might have a special cassette with just a couple slow songs for the right moment. Make a table of contents for your tapes so that you can find specific songs if you have to. I usually stick the stereo in the closet during parties so that I might protect it. I also tape the list of songs to the inside door of said closet. This organization keeps the stereo away from errant liquids and the music list from getting lost.

Good luck with your parties! Remember to start recording early as you will probably spend at least twice as many hours making the tapes as you will playing them back.

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These are hilarious...just as every ILM thread will be hilarious in 2032, when we're enjoying telepathic-thought music forums in our leisure pods.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.alternative/browse_thread/thread/5dc51429cc871b49/821dcd8c48c687db

Haha I used to read a.m.a around that time, the only time I did really, my last year at uni. I remember that Persinthia person, because of the odd name.

Cut down on the number of artists

hi jon, I READ THREAD TOO

The are hilarious to me The Deacon because they basically sound just like ILM and with a few keyword substitutions could very well fit in here. Especially the "tape tax" one above: "The record companies' desire to tax blank tapes is merely another of their misdirected attempts to find a scapegoat for their declining sales."

Awww, ILM just found its dad's old yearbook.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.alternative/browse_thread/thread/d00f1a4ea2184534/60c502078eaabca3?lnk=gst&q=dex!&rnum=2#60c502078eaabca3

http://groups.google.com/group/net.music/browse_thread/thread/c4120cf842c97545/f7d80f25dcf71202?lnk=gst&q=chili+peppers&rnum=1#

It's really difficult to think about someone recommending the Red Hot Chilli Peppers on the basis of "Baby Appeal."

http://groups.google.com/group/net.music/browse_thread/thread/c4120cf842c97545/f7d80f25dcf71202?lnk=gst&q=chili+peppers&rnum=1#

Oops, not italics, dumbass.

Persi :0

I keep forgetting who would know Persi and who wouldn't. (I actually met him a couple of times at Rhino sales.)

Oh yeah, for anyone who cares -- ML Compton's on myspace and has been posting a variety of blogs with tales of tours and bands and stuff he did:

http://www.myspace.com/melcompton

Don't think I ever saw his full name until then. What nationality was he?

Persi? Not sure but the name wasn't his, it's a Lida Husik reference.

ohhh, damn music geeks.

Ned Raggett 1971?-1997 RIP

It was a good run.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3886/nedbigpactt8.jpg

Accurate for the era, even!

the Go-Go's "Vacation" has a playful giddyness

That whole "party tape" thing reminds me a little too much of that Huey Lewis chapter from American Psycho.

this shit is trippy!

someone, about to be very disappointed:

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From: kim...@w✧✧✧.U✧✧✧ (Sam Kimery)
Date: Tue, 13-Aug-85 16:20:22 EDT
Local: Tues, Aug 13 1985 3:20 pm
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> So, Van Halen is getting Sammy Hagar to become their new lead singer
> assuming their respective record companies can strike a deal.
> But this leaves me with a few questions:
> 1) Why did David Lee Roth leave?
> more importantly,

To become a big time movie star (wonder if he'll get a haircut?!?)

> 2) what is Hagar's appearance going to do to VH's sound (besides vocally)?
> Actaually, I look at the move optimistically. that's probably because
> I enjoy the "harder" Van Halen stuff (Van Halen, VHII, especially).
> Any comments? answers?

better yet, what is this going to do to the red rocker??

I'm not sure exactly what S.H. expects to gain from this. After all
he did have a rather loyal (and large) following on his own. Seems
as if he is retreating away from the induvidual image to a group.
Methinks he might not like it as much as he thinks.

By the way, wonder how his band is taking all this. I'll bet their pissed.

guess we'll just have to wait and see, although according
to good ole' Eddie VH we wont have to wait too long, as he and SH have been
writing stuff for the next album for quite sometime now. Also expect a rather
different VH, as Eddie is writing songs that "weren't meant to be screamed".

For a rather good idea of what Eddie thinks of Mr "showbiz" Roth try last
months rolling stone.

Not from the 80s now that I see the thread title, but still hilarious.

do not shower, they collect wellfare, they are just plain evil.

I don't think it should be taken seriously but if it's offensive or not suitable for ILM please remove it.

first known mention of Minor Threat on Usenet, some dude's Top 10 from Dec. 1983:
http://groups.google.com/group/net.music/browse_thread/thread/56debd109dcd6742/8ff1d91ff6a0fa6f?lnk=st&q=%22minor+threat%22+(punk+OR+hardcore+OR+dischord)&rnum=6#8ff1d91ff6a0fa6f

so without trying to sound too pompus, here are my top :

1) New Order -- Power, Coruption, and Lies. These guys are the some
of the best musicians that have come out of England in years. If
they didn't have to live the ghost of Ian Curtis, they propably
would be making some of the best electronic music around. This is
album for everyone, not hardcore, just dance music. A must.

2) Minor Threat -- Out of Step. A local band from Washington D.C.
that are great. Since they started in 1979, they have just been
getting better and better. They claim they are a heavy metal band,
but don't listen to them. They are harD.C.ore and are the inspiration
for many other bands. They broke up about a month, claiming they
got too popular. Too bad other bands don't take that advice.

3) The Jam -- SNAP!. They are the Jam. They rocked England for a good
six years, yet they failed to break big here. Everybody who listens
to them thinks they are great. They need the exposure.

4) Black Market Baby -- Senseless Offerings. Another local band. Yes
Virginia, they are considered hardcore, but don't let that disturb you.
They are a good local band, and most cities do not have good local
bands.

5) Howard Devoto -- Jerky Versions of the Dream. Good first album from
the ex-songwriter from Magazine and the Buzzcocks. Too bad 'Rainy
Season' is making it big.

6) The Cramps -- Off the Bone. This album is a must for the people
into the 60's psycheladelic music. All of the old classics, including
'Drug Train' and 'The Crusher' and the incredible 'She Said'. The
3-D glasses come with it if you buy the import version of it.

7) Hawkwind -- The Text of Festivals, 1970-1972. Heavy metal acid
music is back. This double live album is not their best work, but
it is still good. The music is before Lemmy joined the group, so
it is lacking a little bit there(if you don't know, Lemmy was
in Hawkwind for a few years before forming Motorhead, where he is
still playing in. The song 'Motorhead' by Hawkwind was written
for them in mind). Still a good album to buy.

8) Black Flag -- Everything's gone Black. This album was released
twice this summer, once by a German label who had to white-out any
reference to the name Black Flag, and the other by Posh Boy records.
The songs are old and pretty boring, but the commercials on the
fourth side are really interesting(they are real commercials!). The
songs were recorded before Henry Rollins joined the group, and they
lack a lot of the intensity that Henry brings to them(Henry Rollins
came from Washington D.C. from a group called S.O.A.).

9) Brian Eno, et al. -- Apollo. This is Eno, what more can you say.
This guy is five years ahead of the times. His old solo albums are
just getting some limited airplay in the area, and it won't be
long until everybody will be listening to him...so get in early on the
action.

There, I hope i haven't sounded too pompus. You should at least
borrow some of these records from your friends if they have them and
listen to them. you might enjoy them. I know I do.

it's pretty offensive, 5t0rmfr0nt-level "humor"

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Removed.

June '83, a review of "Blue Monday"

``Blue Monday''/``On the Beach'' -- New Order [Factory 12" single]
Power, Corruption, and Lies -- New Order [Factory album]
Packaged in a sleeve that looks like that of a floppy, the new single is a
very good piece of gothic dance rock that leaps out of the speakers. The
B-side is a dub of the A-side, an arrangement which may be great for DJs who
want to scratch and whomp-mix the two sides at clubs, but is rather
disappointing for those of starved for new material from the important band.

The companion album is much more assured than 1981's Movement -- the vocals
are mixed louder, the instrumentation sharper, the rhythms more danceable and
urgent. The last cut, ``Leave Me Alone,'' is especially haunting, for it
manages to be more upbeat than most things Joy Division ever did while still
being majestic, though not pompous (cf. Ultravox). Too bad the first side is
a bit weak in places.

I apologize. In the original thread a black guy congratulated the poster:

LOL !

I guess i should find this very offensive , hehehe..but i gotta admit you have one hell of a sense of humor :)

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Currently listening to : Osculum Infame ( am i crazy or what ? haha)

one guy had a sweet dire straits ticket he couldn't unload : (

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.alternative/browse_thread/thread/d00f1a4ea2184534/60c502078eaabca3?lnk=gst&q=dex!&rnum=2#60c502078eaabca3

hahahahaha wow! I remember that thread!

So were your plans for world domination more advanced than you thought they were?

No, they were right about where I thought they were.