Anticipate the forthcoming new Wu-Tang album "8 Diagrams".

You just linked to Wu-Tang Clan news on the NME site.

Er, yeah?

Wu needs to sound new and flashy.

NO

Did you miss the "not" there?

it's not like the

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oops yeah. OLD
N DRRTY

Without ODB, this isn't really a Wu-Tang group album.

But then I'm just a herb who thinks that Iron Flag and the W make a better double album than Forever.

you know ODB isn't on Iron Flag, right?

yeah i was gonna say...he's not even on the w that much.

...uh, I was just TESTING YOU!

nile rodgers!

Don Was!

TEE BONE BURNETTE

Ghostface, Raekwon, Cappadonna and Masta Killa had better be on EVERY FUCKING TRACK.

Has Cappadonna returned to the Wu?

I believe he's touring with them.

He isn't mad at them anymore, if that's what you're asking. He is supposed to be on the new album.

Ghostface, Raekwon, Cappadonna and Masta Killa had better be on EVERY FUCKING TRACK.

-- brightscreamer, Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

OTMx100

u god and deck ain't chopped liver!

why u hate method man

i'm dumb! method man is great! so is rza!

So the only one who shouldn't be on every track is GZA?

no, GZA should definitely be on every track

cilvaringz is dope

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003609463

Okay, according to this article it should come out in October, and RZA is working with an unreleased ODB outtake that might be a bonus track. Somehow I still doubt that release date.

Here's a link for the EPK. Pretty long, but nothing of substance.

http://www.bodog.tv/media/wu-tang-epk

Where the fuck is the single?

they played a track from 8 Diagrams as they left the stage after their Rock the Bells set on Saturday. if the rest of the album is as good as this, we are in good shape. hard to closely hear it over 70,000 people, but what i heard sounded completely fucked up and spooky.

Now I'm even more excited to see them.

This Album is Gonna be Great, I can just feeeel it

i dunno about them doing the multi producer thing unless rza is mixing and arranging it like he did with supreme clientele.. but well see.

Some of the drums on Supreme Clientele sound awful! Especially on the first track after the intro.

Can't wait. And what's this in the Wikipedia article about a Wu-Tang documentary?

Shut the fuck up, Tuomas. Just shut the fuck up.

Richard: They're probably referring to the doc GZA has been filming for the past few years.

Looking forward to a little System of a Down on this...

And a Marley Marl production too!

No, but seriously, hate to be a Wu die-hard, but why not straight RZA/Mathematics/4th Disciple/Cilvaringz production?

Otherwise you end up with a production mess like Fishscale...

Is System Of A Down on it? Their cover of "Shame On A N***a" was surprisingly decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPtjC_phLI4

Haha what the fuck is the video footage? And Rza!

paulhw...that's only 'cause RZA wasn't overseeing it. Supreme Clientele had different producers on it, and it has a very consistent sound. All of the Wu group albums do, IMO.

what do we think of that leaked track?

'we' haven't heard it yet.

inklay?

Ess Eye Why-ay?

'watch your mouth'

"we're like george foreman out in the streets - we grillin' em"

LOVE IT!

i just realized this has everyone on it

awesome

'get it in like tim off the glass'

some love for the duncan

I love this track, but I wish the beat would change up a bit more. I'm also a bit sad to see Cappadonna was left off. Regardless, good first single. I hope they make this album with <30% hooks. Iron Flag had far too many hooks for a Wu album. The best Wu songs never have a fucking chorus.

I just heard 8 snippets off the rekkid.

A lot of em were Doom-style lo-fi. A lot of em sounded like The W. All in all what I heard was pretty good but nothing to write home (or on a message board) about.

I heard those same 8 snippets and I thought they were glimpses of the best Wu group material since 36. I didn't hear one track that plodded the way that "One Blood" or anything nearly as pathetic as "Conditioner." Then again, let's wait til the whole thing drops and then start making decisions.

aw Conditioner is funny

you mean since it came out a month ago?

I'm waiting for all the haters to sell back there copies so I can pick it up for $5 in a month or so the way I did with the last two.

you mean since it came out a month ago?

probably since it leaked.

http://waxdj.com/download.php?band_id=1263&song_id=11432&mode=song_hifi

tracklist

1) Rules - Wu Tang Clan
2) Do You Really (Thang Thang) - Wu Tang Clan
3) Triumph - Wu Tang Clan
4) 4th Chamber - Genius/Gza ft Ghostface Killah, Killah Priest & Rza
5) Rainy Dayz - Raekwon ft Ghostface Killah
6) Rainy Dayz (Long Dirty Remix) - Raekwon ft Ghostface Killah
7) One Step - Killah Priest
8) Bastards - Wu Tang Killa Bees
9) Wu Wear - Rza ft Method Man & Cappadonna
10) A Better Tomorrow - Wu Tang Clan
11) Can It Be All So Simple - Wu Tang Clan
12) Ice Cream - Raekwon ft Ghostface Killah
13) Publicity - Genius/Gza
14) Apollo Kids - Ghostface Killah ft Raekwon
15) One Of These Days - Wu Tang Clan
16) Cold World (Rza Remix) - Genius/Gza ft D'Angelo & Inspector Deck
17) Reunited - Wu Tang Clan
18) Shimmy Shimmy Ya - Ol Dirty Bastard
19) Da Mystery Of Chessboxin - Wu Tang Clan
20) Method Man - Wu Tang Clan
21) Uzi (Pinky Ring) - Wu Tang Clan
22) Bring The Pain - Method Man
23) Protect Ya Neck (The Jump Off) - Wu Tang Clan
24) Wu Tang Clan Aint Nuthin Ta Fuck Wit - Wu Tang Clan
25) Protect Ya Neck - Wu Tang Clan
26) Tragedy - Rza
27) Cream - Wu Tang Clan

apparently im the only one in the world hating on this so ill give it another chance when i get around to it

Given Iron Flag is far and away my favourite I can understand why i'm relatively disappointed (though I still think this is quite good), but for people who love The W I'm not sure what the problem is.

I haven't heard the entire album yet, but what I heard was pretty meh. If the Wu would work with people like Chris Cutler, Ikue Mori and Mark Feldman, then I'd probably be more inclined to check out there new stuff.

apparently im the only one in the world hating on this so ill give it another chance when i get around to it

-- deej, Saturday, 26 January 2008 21:06 (Yesterday) Link

No you are not. Your hating on this is justified. This shit sucks.

"Given Iron Flag is far and away my favourite"

still WTF-ing at this^^

"apparently im the only one in the world hating on this"

most people who prefer D4L and franchise boyz dont like it that much either.

I regret buying this album - should've trusted my first impression

most people who prefer D4L and franchise boyz dont like it that much either.

-- titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, January 27, 2008 1:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

prefer d4l and franchise boys to what?

its really kinda stunning to me - there's a couple songs that are really good but most of it is so unfocused and lazy and sluggish and just flat out SOUNDS bad, even when the rapping is good (and it often is) the production really undermines everything. I would not have expected a Wu-Tang release where the worst thing about it was the RZA but here we are...

It's weird how this album polarizes people - to me the production is the best part of the album. Do you really think that tracks like "Unpredictable" or "Gun Will Go" or "Stick Me for My Riches" have weak beats?

Shakey Mo pretty much captures my feelings here. RZA's great when he's aiming for ugly, but when he's going for something else and arrives at ugly, yuck.

"most people who prefer D4L and franchise boyz dont like it that much either."

titchy I kinda like this album but this statement is like sudden devolution of yr entire species level stupid.

"Unpredictable" or "Gun Will Go" or "Stick Me for My Riches" have weak beats?

those are the three well-produced songs. the rest are middling to terrible.

that Beatles "interpolation" is fucking godawful but what do you expect with Frusciante and Drakoulias in the same room with Dhani Harrison

actually wait no I was thinking of Wolves, Gun Will Go is kinda crappy.

I've never been a huge Wu-Fan or anything, but I'm digging this album. The first time I heard it, it kind of sucked the life out of the room and I didn't enjoy it, but I'm growing towards it. The slow, gritty feeling reminds me of a lot of dubstep stuff.

I hated this album the first several times I listened to it...

But I'm starting to get into it...

I think its because I've gone through a major shift as far as my appreciation of music in the last few months.

I always loved Hip Hop and still enjoyed lots of other genres, but only recently have I really begun to fall in love with rock and roll the way I fell in love with Hip Hop.

The beats on this album don't have the percussive Hip Hop bite that ninety nine percent of all Hip Hop songs have, and every other Wu Tang song has...

Its really Wu Tang rapping over rock and roll, even the songs that are most traditionally Hip Hop beat-wise, are very organic and the vocals always sound out of place, even when they sound good...

I think Hip Hop as a whole is a music form that is very much about immediate gratification.

Even Wu Tang, who can be very cryptic, sonically have always put together music that very much abides by this credo.

A banging RZA beat with complex multi-syllabic rhymes ranging from the absurd to the flashy is something that I can appreciate instantly.

I think non-Hip Hop music, is something that, for me at least, is less about immediate gratification.

8 Diagrams won't hold the average Hip Hop heads attention because it doesn't have that instant gratification, that feeling that one gets when a good rapper rides a well-made beat.

This is why big time critics (most of which are not Hip Hop heads, at least primarily) are loving this album, and the average Hip Hopper, including Ghostface and Raekwon (and myself until pretty much today) were left feeling disillusioned.

That being said, I'm really enjoying this album right now.

Do ''Big Time Critics'' love this album? My impression is that it got lukewarm reviews all around, e.g., it has a 72 METASCORE.

...But it was produced by "the greatest rap producer of all time" (c) ILM '08!

Even people who voted for RZA in that poll reserve the right to say this album sounds like ass.

this album is good if you delete a lot of it.

nahh
i play this out at least once a week since it dropped & its still killin it

you AND Colin C

that colin c post is insane.... more of a "rock" sound?? beats on this is straight up dirty 70s soul not whatever blog-indie colin c is nerd-rapping over for a shot at doing a mixtape with catchdubs

growing suspicion that colin c is sanskrit

i wish someone would edit most of the singing off this.

titchyschneider otm - I think I kept a grand total of four songs off this on my ipod. so many bad sung choruses and lazy beats.

i wish someone would edit most of the singing off this.

-- titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:44 PM (2 months ago)

edit THIS out?!

"That bitch is crazyyyyy
And uh, she brought her babyyyyy
She knew I hard the murders, a smack
It killed her man though, now I got his fuckin nephew grippin his gat
You's a bitch - (singing) you better kill meeeee
You know you're bootyyyyyy
You pulled your toolie, out on meeeee... motherfucker"

this album really grew on me, you guys.

http://www.midtowncomics.com/Neshop/Product_detail.asp?PR_ID=973014

Uh, yeah.

I rediscovered "Heart Gently Weeps" this weekend. <3 <3 <3

also i've only heard the loud.com exclusive version

this fucking disaster of an album

I think non-Hip Hop music, is something that, for me at least, is less about immediate gratification.

rushing elephants is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIwUDUa1f4

eh. the beat is okay but it's basically just that one loop over and over - and Raekwon, GZA, and RZA all sound like they're vocals are punched in from an entirely different song. none of them ride the beat.

their argh

i guess i like how lurching and sorta weird the whole thing feels.
lots of great hip hop songs are one loop over and over IMO

that's true but I don't think this is one of them

(altho that is far from the worst track on the album and is actually one of the ones I kept)

also i've only heard the loud.com exclusive version

― Tape Store, Monday, August 4, 2008 5:30 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

and yeah I will still rep for parts of this album — the first track is really cool, sets a nice vibe — which is unfortunately not really sustained, developed, or delivered on by most of what comes after it

still, I'll bet you could put together a killer album of the best stuff from this, cuban linx 2, and post-fishscale ghostface albums

well cuba links 2 is a killer album already

^^^yep

and not because of the RZA

who I think is largely to blame for this abortion of an album

I kinda liked 8 diagrams but it didn't stick on my system the way cuban linx 2 did

guess I should go back and check it again now that shakey hates it

hey I hated it from the get go!

mostly only revived this thread because of Tuomas' nonsense about this being the best Wu Tang album since the debut

was our Raccoon Tanuk already here?
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Yeah, "Iron Flag" is definitely a "Great" album.

Your credibility ended there

― Erock Zombie, Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:57 AM bookmarkflaglink
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Iron Flag IS a really good album - "Rules" alone is fantastic + Uzi (Pinky Ring Shit). there is nothing as good as either of those from what I've heard of the new album.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:48 PM bookmarkflaglink

Listen harder

― Erock Zombie, Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:26 PM bookmarkflaglink