Taking Sides: Gold Teeth Thief vs 2ManyDJs

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Which is best? Which do you hope will influence more people?

― Tom, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gold Teeth Thief? link me.

― Alan Trewartha, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

― a-33, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

2MDJs is like those friends who have 15 new CDs they want you to hear and you sit down w/them and they play the first 10 seconds of each track while they explain the history of each band to you.... "oh wait but THIS one is killer..." GTT is more patient, it draws me in and finds its own way. Like when you're taking pictures, it's the difference between putting your eye on the camera and "finding the picture" or deciding what the shot is before you even look thru it.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

zzzzzzzz.

― jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no, not zzzzz. GTT, in a walk. 2 Many DJs is clever but not a hell of a lot more; GTT is brilliantly put together, does something more than slap a bunch of good records together.

― M Matos, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

GTT chodz bttr on repeatd listning - 2MDJs has grate moments but GTT iz the one id CHOOSE as a template

― a-33, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tom, explain to me why GTT (or 2MDJs) is essentially different from the coldcut mix we were talking about the other day (and which we both agreed was largely crap)?

― jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

woh....other ppl think coldcutz JBDJ is bllx - i've bitched about the kudos itz received for years - i got it on tape an the 2nd side sux - it sucked at the time - GtT has more tuit methinkz

― a-33, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

coldcut's fails becuz - for me - it's got too many "tasteful" turns (bedouin ascent and plug rather than ed rush and dj hype or whatever junglists/dnb'ers were popular/ist at the time) and it's waaaaay too self-conscious (minnie ripperton into harold budd into photek into "the bridge is over"...my my arent we clever.) also, you quote jello biafra spoken word = you are dud. i heard it described as the "closest you could get at home to the "dj epiphany" - which be a red herring any damn way - which is utter bollocks: WHERE ARE THE TUNES, MAN?!

― jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"intro-introspection" (which i think is brill, btw) falls periliously close to ninja choon territory, BUT, is saved by the density and daring cheek of the production. real novelty rather than feigned novelty?

― jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, it would be faulty logic to strike down GTT on the basis of Coldcut's flaws, because GTT largely avoids them. I don't think you could describe any of the hip hop, dancehall, splattercore or bhangra that GTT goes through as being particularly "tasteful", and nor does it sound like eclecticism for the sake of it - as a whole the mix contains a pretty solid argument for the unity - as well as the requisite continuity - of its inclusions.

2 Many DJs I haven't heard, so I don't know.

― Tim, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

GTT just gets deeper with repeated listenings: perfectly paced, all- one-thing w/o making too much of its ref. points. Zero cutesiness, all impact. I have long disliked the Coldcut mix as well, and this is nothing like it. I think GTT is in its way every bit as good as any mix disc I've ever heard EVAH. 2 Many DJs is much more Coldcut-like; very clever clever for its own sake and fairly entertaining, but not much more.

― M Matos, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

2 Many DJs I haven't heard, so I don't know.

this is a bit why i asked.

2 Many DJs is much more Coldcut-like; very clever clever for its own sake and fairly entertaining, but not much more.

and now i know.

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I prefer the GTT style remix, which seems to based on demolition, to the 2 Many Djs bootleg/bastard pop style which is all about juxtaposition, and seldom more than clever. For me Rude Ass Tinker's "U Can't Touch This" holds its own with "A Stroke of Genie- us", still the zenith of bastard pop, but I've yet to hear the 2 Many Djs/Soulwax/Kurtis Rush/Boom Selection type cut that stacks up to Kid 606's "Never Underestimate the Value of a Holler".

― J Blount, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also, tim, just because something happens to be grossly not "tasteful" doesn't automatically render it interesting (as i think you obviously know, but bears stating since that seems to be the crux of yr agrument to me "comparing" - which i wasnt - g.t.t. to coldcut. i still want to know tom's opinion on that.) kid606 et al certainly arent tasteful, but i find them about as exciting as damp toast. on the other hand nasenblauten's "cocksucker" is the epitome of tastelessness, and it's a great, great song. why? i'm tired, so for right now we'll chalk it up to the mysteries of personal taste. g.t.t. seems so bland to me content wise - the unifying factor seeming to be the harshness/velocity of so many of tunes - that it barely registered. as for the mixing skill, i've only listened to it a handful of times, so i think i'll spend some more, detailed time with it this weekend to know for sure.

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

also, i just read a review of mr. matos' on zee web, and i'm very keen on hearing the middle and end of the mix more now...i don't think i ever got through all the splatterbreaks/ragga before! and wouldn't you know it, the batteries on my discman go out 17 mins in, with a very sweet - but not sweet enough to tolerate dj scud a 1 am - girl asleep next to me. so, tomorrow then.

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"also, tim, just because something happens to be grossly not "tasteful" doesn't automatically render it interesting"

Never said it did. You said "explain to me why GTT (or 2MDJs) is essentially different from the coldcut mix we were talking about the other day (and which we both agreed was largely crap)?", and then went on to say that Coldcut was largely crap because it was tasteful and self-conscious in its juxtapositions, and I argued that GTT was neither of those things.

― Tim, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess - the reason the Coldcut mix is rubbish is because it's a rubbish mix (well, an OK but boring if listened to often mix) not because it's a mix per se. I think 2ManyDJs is a lot more than clever (I'm not quite sure why "more than clever" is a good thing anyway, cleverness is great) - it is basically exactly what I would want from a DJ set, a huge mix-up of different disparate things united by their having killer hooks. Enthusiasm is the watchword, not smugness or cleverness or fucking around with 'taste' - it's much more like the geometric expansion of 'taste' until it becomes meaningless, and as such is the most Freaky Trigger-ish record I know. It works as a manifesto for pop right now, and that's all I could ever want. The juxtaposition is only relevant if you have silly ideas about what 'should' work together anyway. Indeed this is what my DJ sets would be like if I had any skill at all!

As for GTT, that's good too - not nearly as immediately interesting and fun to me but a great way of recombining splatterbeat stuff so that it isn't pointless. I'm with Tim in that I don't think GTT does the taste thing either, but he also doesn't do Tigerbeat6's boring nihilist anti-taste thing which is a bigger selling point given the ph34rs invoked by the tracklisting.

― Tom, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ALERT@!!!@@@!!!

splatterbeat
splatterbreaks
splattercore

where's this month's FANGORIA????

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Obv the first thing that leaps out for me about GTT is the use of bits of "Visage" and "Agony". What do you young things make of these, erm, tunes in a dance mix context?

Shall have to try downloading the mixes when it's quieter 'round here. The mp3 link "for Europeans" at the bottom of the page doesn't work, I notice.

― Jeff W, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

" exactly what I would want from a DJ set, a huge mix-up of different disparate things united by their having killer hooks. Enthusiasm is the watchword, not smugness or cleverness or fucking around with 'taste' - it's much more like the geometric expansion of 'taste' until it becomes meaningless,"

Sounds like Fatboy Slim to me (I like the Soulwax I've heard, mind).

― Ben Williams, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

the thing with GTT is "what would i think if someone told me this was actually dj spooky?"

― bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 19 October 2002 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It would be great if he ever did something that good.

― Ben Williams, Saturday, 19 October 2002 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but would it still be good! or would it be pallid ethno-tourism? all it needs is some liner notes

― bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 19 October 2002 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

y'know, rhizomatic viral etc etc

― bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 19 October 2002 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

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