Would have thought this would have been done before but I can't find anything; this follows on a bit from the k- punk discussion - what I'm interested in chiefly is songs that focus on resentment of and/ or pride in working- class origins or middle- class guilt. A starting - and obvious- list Working Class Hero Common People Fortunate Son Tobacco Road.......
― sonofstan, Saturday, 14 July 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
Livin' On A Prayer Rain On The Scarecrow
― Phil D., Sunday, 15 July 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)
american country music to thread...
― m coleman, Sunday, 15 July 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)
the who - "the dirty jobs", "helpless dancer" the animals - "we gotta get outta this place" the band - "king harvest" bob dylan - "workingman's blues #2" duke ellington - "work song" the faces - "debris" otis rush - "sit down"
― Lawrence the Looter, Sunday, 15 July 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)
"Pink Houses"
― milo z, Sunday, 15 July 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)
Wham - "Young Guns (Go For It!)" T Rex - "Ride a White Swan" Yes - "The Revealing Science of God" Biz Markie - "Make the Music with Your Mouth, Biz" Vanilla - "No Way No Way" Sal Solo - "Poland (Your Spirit Won't Die)" Ratt - "Lay It Down" Imagination - "Just an Illusion"
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 15 July 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)
Sex Pistols - "Holidays in the Sun"
― MC, Sunday, 15 July 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)
Rihanna ft. Jay-Z - Umbrella Kate Nash - Foundations Avril Lavigne - When You're Gone Enrique Iglesias - Do You Know Hoosiers - Worried About Ray Timbaland Ft Doe/keri Hilson - The Way I Are Natasha Bedingfield - Soulmate Fergie - Big Girls Don't Cry Lee Mead - Any Dream Will Do Kelly Rowland Ft Eve - Like This
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 15 July 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)
Everything ever by Gang of Four
― MC, Sunday, 15 July 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)
One of the key themes of most Oi! acts
― Soukesian, Sunday, 15 July 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)
"gut of the quantifier" the fall
― kamerad, Sunday, 15 July 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)
Derek and Clive's entire oeuvre.
― everything, Monday, 16 July 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)
Clash - "Career Oportunities"
― nickn, Monday, 16 July 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)
The Specials - Rat Race
― Alba, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 01:17 (eighteen years ago)
In Every Dream Home a Heartache - Roxy Music
― iago g., Tuesday, 17 July 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)
Tuomas' internet connection must be down ;_;
― John Justen, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)
Does it have to say the word "class" in it, or is any songs about work/getting paid/dealing with a boss/partying when you get off work a song about "class"?
Does it have to have a particular ideology about class consciousness -- marxist or otherwise?
Class is a rock and roll metatheme. Whole careers have been organized around it -- not only the Gang of Four and the Clash, who have been mentioned, but Bruce Springsteen and Bob Seger and Huey Lewis and the News (from good to bad to awful) not only wrote about working for a living but assumed that the whole point was to entertain an audience that did. "Maggie's Farm" and "Like A Rolling Stone" and "Street Fighting Man" make no sense without class analysis.
Right now Todd Snider and The Coup and Wide Right write song after song about class, and Aesop Rock and Amy Rigby have done whole albums with class at the center. The skits on Kanye West's Late Registration are about the fraternity Broke Phi Broke -- of which Kanye is, of course, thrown out.
Until quite recently it was pretty much a rock and roll given that rock and roll stood in a class relation to "classical music": it was by and for working people as opposed to that other stuff that took 100 instruments and decades of training.
I must have 1000+ songs about class on my iPod. Here are a few, without repeating any artist I've already mentioned:
Cyndi Lauper -- Girls Just Want to Have Fun Linton Kwesi Johnson -- What About di Workin' Class? Red Crayola with Art and Language -- Keep All Your Friends Chumbawumba -- Tubthumping Johnny Cash -- One Piece At A Time Bottle Rockets -- Welfare Music Kid Creole & the Coconuts -- No Fish Today Macy Grey -- I've Committed Murder Michelle Shocked -- Fog Town Creedence Cleatwater Revival -- Fortunate Son Patti Smith -- Piss Factory
From the point of view of class consciousness in the political sense, these songs have three different points of view:
1. Working class political solidarity 2. Working class social solidarity (that is, we're done working, now we go have fun) 3. I'm getting the hell out of the working class -- I'm getting paid
Just 'cause it's about class doesn't mean it has class consciousness.
― Kenny, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 07:39 (eighteen years ago)
W.O.R.K. by Bow Wow Wow
― filthy dylan, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 08:26 (eighteen years ago)
Thanks for that, Kenny.
I think what i was looking for were songs that explicitly highlighted class and class conflict; songs that point out that objective social relations determine people's lives and attitudes in ways that can't be transcended by 'love' - either romantic love, or some hippy-ish 'we are all God's children' agape. Something like 'We Gotta Get out of this Place' is interesting in this regard; class relations and conflict are localised; getting out will result in the lovers finding a place in the sun for two. As always, Chuck Berry is incredibly clever in this regard; managing to tie really specific situations to that same 'universal' desire to transcend the binds of class (and I guess race). 'You Never Can Tell' with its lovingly rendered fetishisation of consumer durables alongside its message of hope is a prime example, but 'Promised Land' and many others would do as well.
What's rarer are songs like 'Common People' or 'Working Class hero' that point directly at class as an immovable source of conflict and pain, but also as an anchor of identity; pop has always tended more to identify its protaganist as outside of society, 'a bit of a rebel', equally at odds with his or her origins, as with where he or she is headed. Thus, either aspirational escapism or 'Jenny from the Block' kind of sentimental reaffirmation of ones roots are more common than any kind of realism about 'the ties that bind' and as you said, Springsteen for all his faults, is one of the few songwriters to give full weight to the inescapabilty of the social order as a limit and a blight on peoples lives.
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)
The Kinks - Arthur (the whole album) The Kinks - Muswell Hillbillies (pretty much the whole album)
... and lots of other Kinks' songs
― Tom D., Tuesday, 17 July 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)
Also, The Fall to thread!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 17 July 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)
I I I I I'm not your stepping stone I I I I I'm not your stepping stone
You're trying to make your mark in society... using all the tricks that you used on me.... You're reading all those high fashion magazines... The clothes you're wearin' girl are causing public scenes.
I said I I I I I'm not your stepping stone I I I I I'm not your stepping stone
Not your stepping stone, Not your stepping stone..
When I first met you girl you didn't have no shoes... Now you're walking 'round like you're front page news.... You've been awful careful 'bout the friends you choose... But you won't find my name in your book of Who's Who!
I said I I I I I'm not your stepping stone I I I I I'm not your stepping stone Not your stepping stone, Not your stepping stone
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 09:14 (eighteen years ago)
what is SO WEIRD about this song is that it comes off like a growl from the gutter, a rage against "high fashion magazines" and "who's who" - but in order for the addressee of the lyrics to use the singer as a stepping stone, he'd have to have been ABOVE her to the extent that he was useful in launching her into that society - the singer is UPPER CLASS and the girl is LOWER CLASS, regardless of the friends she's chosen (even the newspaper reference seems designed to put her in her place; real class isn't publicly traded like the front page of a newspaper, it's discreet)
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)
"Blue Suede Shoes"
should be obvious
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
there's not a single line in "stepping stone" that suggests the singer is upper class. maybe he's a dj at a local club who introduced the girl to some influential people. maybe he's the bass player in a struggling rock band who the girl liked, even looked up to, when she had no shoes. maybe he's the doorman at the whiskey.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
I wuold say the Who's "Substitute" touches on it, as well.
― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)
2 more Kinks songs:
"Slum Kids" "Get Back In Line"
― henry s, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)
2 More David Watts Dead End Street
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
Blur - Charmless Man
and several others i'm sure. lots more pulp, too - I Spy, for example.
― CharlieNo4, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
sonofstan, I think these may have the specificity you're looking for: Who - Bell Boy Rush - Working Man Magazine - Model Worker Alex Chilton - Underclass Quasi - The Happy Prole
― dad a, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
Forgot about 'Underclass' - a long time fave; Saw Quasi once supporting/ backing Elliott Smith and was impressed - what records should I look for?
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)
All I really know of them one show about 5/6 years ago and Featuring "Birds." That includes The Happy Prole and is A+.
― dad a, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)
in the current/recent hits category:
toby keith, "high maintenance woman" carrie underwood, "before he cheats"
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)
everly brothers, "man with money"
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)
Sonofstan,
There's certainly a lot of crap ("aspirational escapism") in pop songs ostensibly about class, and I suspect that we have overlapping political and aesthetic interests. For all that, the reason I wrote what I wrote is because I have no idea what to say about "Piss Factory." If you're a class conscious leftist, the song does the opposite of what you want it to do: after "pointing directly at class as an immovable source of conflict and pain, but also as an anchor of identity," it's narrative pushes the heroine out of class consciousness and into what we would probably call Bohemian consciousness: "I'm going to get out of here [New Jersey], I'm going to New York City . . ."
Add to this that, whatever choice she made in her early 20s, Patti Smith has turned out to be one of the more reliable leftists of rock and roll and the question of what constitutes class consciousness becomes more complex.
So while sentimental reaffirmation of one's roots may not be of any interest, political or aesthetic, the "realism" of "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" (which appears immediately the devastating "Money Changes Everything" on the album) continues to impress me as I try to figure out what class consciousness is.
― Kenny, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)
Hey also, "This Boy Is Exhausted" and "Everyone Choose Sides" by the Wrens talk about being in a rock band like it's a working class job like any other, which seems a lot truer to most people's experience than your average rock debauchery travelogue.
― dad a, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)
"Just Got Paid"-ZZ Top
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)
"Just Got Paid" - Johnny Kemp
― henry s, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
Kenny, Oddly enough, I was thinking about another- much lesser - Patti Smith song in my previous post, when i wrote about the protagonist of the classic rock song aspiring to be 'outside of society'. 'Piss Factory' is problematic in the ways you say, but it is radical in that in the detail and unflinching realism of its protrayal of working life, it paints a picture of exactly what is being escaped from, inviting identification from the listener, not with an emotional state, but with an objective state of affairs. We identify with patti's need to escape, not because she is a genius, ready to illuminate boho NY, but because we know if she doesn't, in 20 or 10 or 5 years, she'll be just like them; just like 5 or 10 or 20 years ago they were just like her. They don't hate because she's different and wild; they hate her because they see in her what they lost.
As you say, class is a metatheme of Rock n' Roll, but work - in any kind of detail - is pretty absent; 'too much monkey business' 'Wichita Lineman' 'Workin' in a Coal Mine'..... of the top of my head I can't think of many more songs that describe actual features of a working life.
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)
a very large chunk of bruce springsteen's oeuvre describes actual features of a working life, from looking for a job to cover the rent/mortgage ("atlantic city"), to waking up to the alarm clock, packing a lunch and walking through the factory gates ("factory"), to lugging a firehose up 100 flights of stairs on a sunny day in downtown manhattan ("the rising"). just fer some examples.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:34 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, and there are approx. 1000000 country songs about truck driving.
― dad a, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)
i'd also suggest that working part time at the five and dime "doing something close to nothing" for a boss who doesn't like your style works as both a specific and universal descrition of the working life. just fer another example from someone else's oeuvre.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:37 (eighteen years ago)
well yeah, don't know'the rising', but the other two Springsteen songs describe the circumstances of needing to work or going to work but not, like, the actual work - I take your point about truck driving songs though; 'Mama Hated Diesel' or 'Willin' ' (or Container Drivers!) do go into detail........
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)
Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White
― niceboy, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)
Eddie Cochran's "Somethin' Else" makes love seem as class-determined as any Gang of Four song. It's totally focused on money keeping the things we want out of reach, and it's kind of neat how it treats as fantasy the idea that hard work can help you reach those things ("I'll keep on dreaming and thinking to myself, if it all comes true, man, that's something else"), even as it indulges in that fantasy.
― dad a, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 01:19 (eighteen years ago)
I'm new here. Can we branch this and start a companion thread of songs about work? I'd love that.
Kenny
― Kenny, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:50 (eighteen years ago)
Down in the Boondocks, of course. "People put me down cause that's the side of town I was born in."
― humansuit, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 18:53 (eighteen years ago)
Johnny Rivers - "Poor Side Of Town"
― henry s, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)
Kenny - Off you go - I started this one, so your turn....
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)
Manics: The Masses Against The Classes
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)
(and a lot of other Manics stuff too)
Divine Comedy: A Lady Of A Certain Age
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 July 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)