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Gage-o, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't wait for the day when Beefheartian musik becomes the next "big thing," and I turn on Saturday Night Live to see four young guys with octupus hats singing "forever moonbeams strike your bulbous carpet," followed immediately by "this performance has been brought to you by Bud Light. Try Bud Light"

Gage-o, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What about Frank Zappa, eh? I don't think there'll ever be another period throughout history when someone will be able to command as much potentially ill-deserved attention and respect. Don't get me wrong, a lot of great music came out of that guy, but I suspect it was only partially due to his own creativity and more concerned with the musicality of his band-members.

Andrew, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Beck has a lot of Beefheart action going on in some of his more abstract lyrics, but I have the feeling everyone was too busy calling him a "slacker spokesman" (after "Loser"), then "crazy white kid what steals black music" (after Odelay and Midnite Vultures) to notice.

Nate Patrin, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beefheart WAS on Saturday Night Live!! I think he played "Hothead". Nice to see you've scanned the LP cover too. I actually prefer the follow-up "Lick My Decals Off, Baby".

Sean, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beefheart was also on Letterman promoting Ice Cream for Crow. When I saw it, I knew a thing or two about the man, but he still seemed like a hopeless drunk.

Michael Daddino, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rockette Morton = Peter Cetera!

J, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the guy at the very bottom with the wrap-around shades -- prefiguring "New Wave" fashion by about eight years.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beefheart WAS on Saturday Night Live!! I think he played "Hothead".
And the second number was "Ashtray Heart". I taped those performances off reruns a few years ago and watched them over and over. They're really great. Don looks like he has no idea what's going on in "Hothead".

Downloads of the performances here.

Vic Funk, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no, those guys are crap. it had to be said.

your null fame, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant to start a thread about this, but since this is up and running...Trout Mask Replica. Sorry, I just don't get it. Heard Peel and every seminal blah blah list raving about it for years, sounded essential, so I bought it - and found it unlistenable. Is there a more accessible way into Beefheart? Should I buy Clear Spot? Am I missing the point? Help me.

dan, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Clear Spot" is a great album and it is a more accessible way into Beefheart.

"Trout Mask Replica" is one of my favourite albums. I love the "field- recording" aspect of the production. The music is complex and primitive at the same time. I like the conversations in-between the tracks. Beefheart's sax playing is great. The album contains some of his best lyrics such as on "Well".

If you're looking for a more accessible way into "TMR" try the album that came before it : "Strictly Personal". It has distinctly strange Beefheartian songs such as "Beatle Bones 'N' Smoking Stones" but some of the tracks are not dissimilar to more conventional psychedelic rock records from that period.

Mark Dixon, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''And the second number was "Ashtray Heart". I taped those performances off reruns a few years ago and watched them over and over. They're really great. Don looks like he has no idea what's going on in "Hothead".''

The BBC did a beefheart doc acouple of years back (John Peel was narrating it). There is some great footage, specially 'Electricity'. I've watched that one abt 10 times. Very funny.

Dan- Trout mask was my first beeheart. Very difficult if you haven't heard much Ornette/cecil (and I hadn't done when I got it but i think some free jazz could get you to appreciate the dynamics on TMR).

I didn't like it but I gave it another go because there were two/three tracks that I really liked. And i loved the words and his vocal range. I don't know whether you'll enjoy it but I'll just say that you should try and give it a few plays.

I've read a review of a 'new' beefheart album- Dust Sucker. Anyone got this?

Julio Desouza, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i wuv em but hate calling them "gods" tho => bettah would be GOBLINS

greil m says the clash are "influenced" by beefheart rhythm; dave q says punk (inc. the clash for sake of argt?) is based in beefheart rhythm; mark p says the clash are "influenced" by ELP!! mark s says "influence" is a category error btw

troutmask is a very lo-fi recording: why? (yes yes because zappa wanted to undermine beefheart who he feared: but why as a positive chosen decided agreed-on artistic reason)

mark s, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't talk about Beefheart's intentions but I like the lo-fi production on "TMR" because it allows the music to flow into the non- musical elements of the album. This is perhaps most effective when "Hair Pie : Bake 1" segues into the "bush recording". It is similar to the Sixties avant-garde notion of breaking down the barriers between art and life.

From a modernist viewpoint it seems fitting that such groundbreaking music should have such an unusual production style. "TMR" must have sounded completely unique in 1969.

I don't like lo-fi recordings usually but i love "TMR". I can see how some people might say that the strange conversations and production style are just gimmicks that detract from the music but I think the album is wonderful.

Mark Dixon, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant to start a thread about this, but since this is up and running...Trout Mask Replica. Sorry, I just don't get it. Heard Peel and every seminal blah blah list raving about it for years, sounded essential, so I bought it - and found it unlistenable. Is there a more accessible way into Beefheart?

I found the album pretty much unlistenable until I got it on vinyl a few years back. Two reasons make me think it's meant to be heard on vinyl: 1) It's easier to digest the record in 7-9 song chunks than one 79 minute block; 2) it actually forced me to listen to what was going on, instead of listening to the first ten seconds of a song and going "What is this shit?" and skipping to the next one. If you'd like to try this, the album was reissued on 180gm wax last year.

As for more accessible, get the first LP, Safe As Milk. That's probably my favourite, and it's mainly a str8 ahead blues rock LP, with the odd flourishes (theremin), but not at all out there like Trout Mask.

Vic Funk, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Re: Dust Sucker. A distributor mailing list I'm on has this to say aboot it:

CAPTAIN BEEFHEART AND THE MAGIC BAND-Dust Sucker CD (Ozit Morpheus/BF6003) $23.99 12 tracks from the original Bat Chain Puller album plus six live tracks. For Beefheart fanatics only as there is talk of hiss, dropouts, etc. You’re warned. UPC:6 55035 00032 9

Vic Funk, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What does everyone think about "Lick My Decals Off Baby"? It's an album that doesn't get discussed much. I taped it for a couple of friends who are "TMR" fanatics and they both hated it.

"Lick My Decals..." isn't as good as the album that preceded it but it is still an interesting record. It contains almost the same line- up as "TMR" and has a similar style of music. I find some of the songs a bit dull especially "Bellerin' Plain", but there are some great tracks such as "Woe-is-uh-Me-Bop" and "Japan in a Dishpan". I find the album suffers from a lack of the eccentric non-musical elements that add variety and space to "TMR".

Mark Dixon, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

japan in a dishpan!! j.rotten to thread!!

mark s, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Lick My Decals Off, Baby" is my favorite Beefheart record. I think it's the most fully-realized concept, and the band is tighter than a mosquito's ass. "Trout Mask" is wilder, but "Decals" is denser and more focused, while retaining the more wacked out rhythmic ideas of its predecessor. "Doctor Dark," the title track, and "I Wanna Find a Woman Who'll Hold My Big Toe Until I Have to Go" are just tremendous.

Plus, I like the marimba.

J, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like most of the Beefheart I've heard, though I occasionally still find it baffling...went through the trying-to-get-into-Trout-Mask- Replica phase, and gave up for a good long time. I think that the easiest way to get into Beefheart is, indeed, through the Clear Spot/Spotlight Kid era--and thankfully both albums are available on one handy CD. One track I think that convert non-believers is "Her Eyes are a Blue Million Miles", which didn't seem so out of place on the Big Lebowski soundtrack next to people like Dylan. To get a better appreciation for some of the other early albums, the compilation The Dust Blows Forward is probably also a good overview for the beginner, and would serve as a good launching point for the different eras.

Sean Carruthers, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fav beefheart = Doc at the Radar Station.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterl, we finally agree on something.

Dave225, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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