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That the prevailing consensus around ILM (certainly on this thread) seems to be politically grounded=sucks ass. - John D. on the Fugazi thread.

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

true or false, btw?

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(funnily enough, i was just talking about this earlier today more or less: does an appreciation of pop [which, obstensibly, "we" all share] conflict with political consciousness. personally, i think there's a pretty broad "political" spectrum on ilm - although i think it's all vaguely leftist - from d.i.y. diehards to coporate apologists. if that's a range, anyway.)

― jess, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"politically grounded" =/ "sucks ass", but "politically grounded" is one of the six danger signals for "sucks ass," and if more than three are present, then suck-assage is most definitely on the horizon. The other five signals are:

1) has played with U2 2) is in U2 3) has been described in a music magazine as both "earnest" and "sincere" 4) has, in print, professed admiration for Sting, Bono, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Che Guevara, the FARQ, the Zapatistas, or Bruce Springsteen 5) played at the "No Nukes" concert*

*note special Springsteen exemption.

― J, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I actually have a big soft spot for interesting music that's also politically grounded or even trying to be explicit agitprop. In practice, actually, this mostly translates to "left politics"--I'm trying to think of good moderate-right bands (and also trying hard not to think about Earth Crisis). But it's not working. Suggestions, anyone?

― Douglas, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I like the music, it can be as politically grounded as it wants to be. If not, all the good intentions in the world won't induce me to care.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Ned, you don't listen to lyrics anyhow. So point = moot.

― Sean Carruthers, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned is right. I wonder though how easily I'd look past rather over-simplified political bents if the artists' views blatantly flew in the face of my own. Muslimgauze might be a good example here, but his music alone didn't really represent anything controversial. Same with Public Enemy.

― bnw, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Ned, you don't listen to lyrics anyhow. So point = moot.

I win both ways! Hurrah!

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

off topic...McChump@rocketmail.com - wasn't rocketmail taken over by yahoo?

― kevin enas, Saturday, 20 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

cartoon version of argt on that thread:

Fugazi?
Lame!
What you mean you are unsettled by their politics?
No I think the guitar-playing is boring: so I never followed through to the politics...
Aha you are scared of politics then or you would not say the guitar playing is lame!!
No I just think Fugazi's guitar is no good...
Aha the ILM consensus is that political commitment = evil!!
Etc.

(ps i think the word "soulless" is reactionary, but that is quite a difft argument)

― mark s, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

to be politically aware /grounded and indulge in creative discourse / action re: ridding the world of corporate evil and enshrined cowradice and imperialism is great but it don't make for a good pop tune

― bob snoom, Sunday, 21 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Everyone can like pop, but only leftists are able to talk about it. & mainly only rightists are able to make it.

Only rightists are able to talk about rock, and only leftists are able to make it.

It's the signification of desire for the other, don't you see?

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

unless I'm misreading them totally, Douglas, I'd say Lynyrd Skynyrd were an OK semi-right-wing band. (OK my ass, actually--they were GREAT)

― M Matos, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In practice, actually, this mostly translates to "left politics"-- I'm trying to think of good moderate-right bands (and also trying hard not to think about Earth Crisis). But it's not working. Suggestions, anyone?

Well, if you take anything Boyd Rice has to say seriously -- or like his music...

― Brian MacDonald, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I believe both James Brown and Johnny Ramone are Republicans.

― Nate Patrin, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And only in (the heart of the heart of the) country do audience and critic and producer converge in political harmony. Also indie-rock.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If we're talking Boyd Rice hanging out with neo-Nazis, I'd put that a wee bit past moderate right politics.

― bnw, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Eric Matthews has a fairly right-wing Christian agenda and makes fantastic music. I don't know how much this agenda is contained in said music, though. presumably dedicated right wingers join large and influential political parties rather than forming bands.

― David Mc, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OT: yes, but they let me keep the suffix.

― J, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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