Come anticipate Joy Division reissues!!!

Are these live recordings the ones that weren't good enough for the Heart & Soul box set? (also: reissued but not remastered, right?)

Is Genesis P-Orridge in the movie?

http://www.socialfiction.org/img/Genesis_p_orridge.jpg

if he is, he's not credited here (yet)

i do not need another reissue of the studio albums.

i do, however, need as-yet-unheard live stuff.

i doubt there's going to be any here.

Genesis is starting to look like Mrs. Slocombe from "Are You Being Served?'

with d-cups.

http://www.philcollinsfansite.com/images/genesis3.jpg

"Mrs Slocombe? How come?"

His pussy is unanimous in this.

the vinyl remasters are being done by steve hoffmann, so they are going to sound exceptional; if he's done the cd remasters as well they will be worth hearing. the albums were so well recorded to being with that they weren't really crying out for remastering but at least they're being done right.

oh, so they ARE remastered? damn Heart & Soul box set, in that case. :-(

Oh!! Oh!!!! I'm SO snatching the vinyls up. But the CDs--they may or may not be? I'm just terrified they'll be compressed to hell, would would be the worst thing you could do to a Joy Division album.

the cds are remastered, but apparently not by steve hoffman. so, who knows.

Live at ULU! I knew they'd include that! Fantastic!

Genesis P. is the shit! I have a ticket to see Psychic TV in a mere week & a half!!!! I really like some of the more balls-out rock-and-roll punk stuff on the new album. He/she is a fucking rock star.

Oh I'm sorry, this is a Joy Division thread. Well, listen to Throbbing Gristle's "Weeping" and know that Ian Curtis fucking loved that, which he did.

If Ian was alive, New Order would have sounded even more groundbreaking than they did.

Er... would there be a New Order?

Exactly!

oh! ok!

OK, so what was the skinny in the end?

HMV have Closer and Still for £12, the double sets.

The ULU live is Closer, right?

Or do I hunt down "UnkPle"? Which is the best 'extra' disc?

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I was going to ignore these, then I was given 'Still'. The remastering is really well done IMO - the studio stuff is nice and crisp and the Birmingham gig sounds more powerful. But it's really worth it for the High Wycombe gig + soundcheck, which are superb.

I ended up with Closer too - the ULU set is as good as it gets. I'm not bothering with UP, unless I see it for a fiver or someone gives me it, as it's the same Russell Club gig on CD2 that is on CD4 of the boxset (albeit minus a couple of tracks)

Ah right. I got H&S recently.

i heard these were really squashed in mastering -- southall y/n?

Oh don't start him off!

Seriously I'm kind of with Nick in my dislike of overcompression, but I don't have any complaints with the JD reissues.

ULU gig is as good as it gets, that's correct.

ta.

Also Mark G, I'm rather delighted to know you only recently acquired the Heart & Soul Box set. I feel kindof in the same position. I have some CD's someone made from that some years back but only recently have I truly subjected myself to their delights in any kind of studious way. That version of Dead Souls which is different from what's on Still/Substance...that hammers my brain it's so brilliant. And don't get me started about The Sound of Music. Etc.

Okay, Dr. C's judgment is enough for me to keep an eye out for those two reissues at least. (Had the box set for a decade now...)

mastering on these is loud but doesn't sound compressed. closer and UP sound excellent; still kind of sounds weird to me in some ways, not sure why, but I also don't listen to that album as much.

I got the closer re-issue and fiddled about with listening to bits of it in comparison to the same tracks from previous issues.

It has got a clean-ness that suits the material, the good Dr C says crispness, and thats a good word, but its not harshness it just makes for a better listen.

UP however, which has a similar polish, didn't need it so much. It's well done and does sound different, it certainly doesn't sound worse. just not better either.

I've not got the Still re-issue.

OK, so the Closer reiss it is.

I must admit, I do love that demo version of "Atmosphere", possibly the only 'other' version of it, right?

I would suggest The Smiths could do with a similar remaster styling.

The only demo version of atmosphere that I know is the one called 'Chance' which was recorded for Piccadilly Radio. Is that on Heart and Soul? If I could be arsed to look on my ipod I'd know the answer to that.

I've got the fucking Still CD now. This makes me better than 95% of fans of bad music. Hootie & The Blowfish can suck it.

xpost I guess so.

So, by utter chance I was able to find both the Closer and Still reissues at Amoeba yesterday -- and had more than enough credit to get them both for nothing. I like the way the world works.

Dr. C's spot on re: the live sets so yeah, both those should be tracked down -- the liner notes (both a lot better than I would have expected, a lot of unfamiliar detail and, to me at least, new perspectives) mention that the tapes for both came directly from the guy who originally made them, and while there'd been bootleg circulation this is something else again.

As a side note, I picked those up while having sold back a huge slew of CDs. This whole year has felt that way, like a distillation down to certain essentials.

And some blog mutterings while I'm at it. The more I think about it the more I'm intrigued at how central Joy Division and New Order are to a lot of how I think about music without either of them being an overt obsession of mine; it's almost like they are and were a constant standard that were always there (ridiculous, of course, but I think it says something about how we perceive our own specific critical baselines, especially as tied in with what sticks with you from younger days).

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Wow, that almost makes me want to go out and buy a Zune.

Or not.
The reader comments are pretty funny, though. "Will zune kill itself and make a New Order Ipod?"