Who Invented UK Garage?

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A musician or a journalist ?

― sean, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Marcello

― Dr. C, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Streets.

― Nick Southall, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

― Alan Trewartha, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

miles davis

― chaki, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

roy davis jr? (sort of?)

― gareth, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Who used the term pre-187 Lockdown?

― dave q, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Either Muzik, Mixmag or DJ coined the phrase, I seem to remember one of them trying to call it Speed Garage (or even Raggage).

― Rick, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Musically - no "invention", rather an aggregate of modifications to US garage that ultimately resulted in something totally distinguishable. Tracing line of descent: Todd Edwards makes US garage tracky and busy with his vocal cut-up technique/ Armand Van Helden does likewise using huge jungalistic basslines => Tuff Jam Double 99, 187 Lockdown etc.unite these two strands, adding prominent snare/hi-hat syncopation plus random ragga elements => Dem 2, Steve Gurley etc. move syncopation into the bassline, thus removing last vestiges of house's solid pump => clearly no longer "garage" in a practical sense.

Journalistically - who knows? The 'scene' claims that "speed garage" and "2-step" are both media inventions and that "UK Garage" has always been the preferred term, but then revisionism is always rife. On the other hand, anything's better than the godawful "Nu-Soul" spin that accompanied the MJ Cole/ Wookie axis circa two years ago.

― Tim, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bah, Tim, you're no fun, giving a *real* answer and all.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One thing I'd add to Tim's excellent history; house/garage 12"s almost always have dub mixes that remove the song elements and enhance the unique textures, rhytms and effects of the production (I think this is related to Tim's "track" descriptor) making things generally dubbier/trippier. House DJs faced with competition from Hardcore and then Jungle used to pitch these versions up in the mix (I used to do this all the time in LA, from about 122 to 132bpms) creating the proto-UK Garage experience. Todd Edwards productions sound remarkably like a random sped-up Strictly Rhythm dub mix circa '91 (not to minimize his utterly god-like vocal/sample science).

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six years pass...

DJ Pied Piper and the Masters of Ceremonies are the latest collective to spring from the raves and pirate stations of the capital's thriving garage scene. And when they say they mean business - these guys arn't joking!

Their massive single,''Do You Really Like It" is the sort of street-bred garage anthem that could never be manufactured. Bristling with raw energy, this track has everything - jumping basslines, mad drums, smooth R&B guitars and wicked rhymes. It's the kind of tune DJs pray for - full of personality, intelligence and originality, with an unforgettable hook-line.

Now there's no stopping them as they continue their mission to invade the charts, champion the best up'n'coming talent from London's ghettos and move the garage sound a step forward.

― Eerie, Indierocker (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Thursday, 26 February 2009 02:25 (seventeen years ago)

eight months pass...

"House DJs faced with competition from Hardcore and then Jungle used to pitch these versions up in the mix (I used to do this all the time in LA, from about 122 to 132bpms) creating the proto-UK Garage experience"

ive read about this so many times but dont think ive heard an actual set like this, or not been consciously aware of it anyway.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

UK funky DJs pitch up their tracks all the time (see Marcus Nasty in particular) so it's not that hard to imagine. A lot of speed garage is literally fast versions of US garage tracks - see Tuff Jam productions for example.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:18 (sixteen years ago)

oh i know marcus does it (echoing speed garage obv etc) - id just like to hear an old early ukg set where the djs were doing this throughout.

"A lot of speed garage is literally fast versions of US garage tracks - see Tuff Jam productions for example."

example?

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:32 (sixteen years ago)

Have to say all these garage threads (well 2) that have been rebumped today/recently got me feeling nostalgic.

Went on a bit of a search to see what I could find that I hadn't heard before. Listening to the Zed Bias remixes of the Streets.

Has it come to this remix - sick.

― Josh L, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 14:58 (sixteen years ago)

downliners sect

― my gangsta ain't NEVER been on trial (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 15:49 (sixteen years ago)

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