anybody know actual reasons for this phenomenon? i've only notice it a few times. most notably, Denardo has had this around his setup the last couple times I saw Mr. Ornette.
― outdoor_miner, Sunday, 9 September 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)
peter prescott plays like this now w/ mission of burma, so i'm guessing it's to protect ppl's hearing
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 9 September 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
They used to use a chain to protect the crowd, but this is more human.
― StanM, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)
I thought maybe it was something to do with making it easier to use microphones with the drums without other noise bleeding in. Either way, it's dudley.
― Z S, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)
i liked your answer Z S, but this was an acoustic show. and Ward, i doubt that is the reason. that'd be akin to a restaurant serving skim milk with coffee in lieu of cream for health reasons-it doesn't compute
― outdoor_miner, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)
"The CS drum shield and free-standing sound absorbers will reduce your drum volume levels and clean up your stage sound! Great for use in churches, schools, theaters, recording studios, clubs, concert stages and rehearsal rooms."
http://www.drumcentral.com/drum_shields_02.htm
― StanM, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)
"clean" stage sound blows
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)
"great for use in churches" - de-satanization sound sanitation.
― StanM, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)
yeah, doesn't the MoB guy play behind plexiglass because one of the other members is now crazy sensitive to loud noise?
― stevie, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:43 (eighteen years ago)
Actually in churches I kind of see the appeal because churches tend to be giant echo chambers
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 9 September 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)
The CS drum shield and free-standing sound absorbers will reduce your drum volume levels and clean up your stage sound!
Wait...so maybe I was half right? Is it to to reduce the amount of drum sound bleeding into other mics? Were any of the other instruments mic'd at the acoustic show, outdoor miner?
― Z S, Sunday, 9 September 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)
>Is it to to reduce the amount of drum sound bleeding into other mics?
In part, and in part to ensure that other instruments can be heard over the drummer (a big danger with Denardo Coleman).
― unperson, Monday, 10 September 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)
I first saw Garbage do this at the Big Day Out in 2002. I'm not sure it improved their 'sound' but if you tilted your head the right way, the reflected glare from the sunlight on the plexiglass made Butch Vig disappear!
― SeekAltRoute, Monday, 10 September 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)
Awesome.
― Trayce, Monday, 10 September 2007 04:06 (eighteen years ago)
I always figured it was for the benefit of the other bandmembers ears.
― The Reverend, Monday, 10 September 2007 04:20 (eighteen years ago)
It's to stop the sound of the drums going straight down the singer's microphone, assuming that the drummer is stage rear centre and singer is stage front centre.
― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 10 September 2007 06:22 (eighteen years ago)
Based on my experience in bands I thought it might be so the singer/guitarist doesnt cop flying drumsticks to the head. Maybe I just played with shit drummers.
― Trayce, Monday, 10 September 2007 06:33 (eighteen years ago)
Does it also stop the snare drum snare from vibrating loudly every time the bass player hits a certain note? I hate when that happens.
― StanM, Monday, 10 September 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)
But wouldn't it be more simple to adjust the position or the angle of the drummer/singer, rather than erecting a dudley clear plexiglass screen in front of the drummer?
― Z S, Monday, 10 September 2007 20:48 (eighteen years ago)
This can be used to solve just about all of the problems listed! It just isolates the drum sound from the other musicians and microphones, the way they'd often be in a studio. I think you tend to see this live most often with pop singers whose voices are supposed to be good -- the singer can hear herself and the monitors better with something shielding the drums right behind her. (It makes it easier to mix a really large group, too, like with horns and percussionists and backup singer and all.) It also gets used a lot for live performances of, say, r&b songs that were originally programmed -- that way you can mic and mix the drums to sound crisp and clear like the programming, instead of hearing the whole natural drum-set sound.
P.S. This makes perfect sense for an acoustic show by a rock band -- no amps means the bass and guitar players are really only hearing themselves in monitors, while the drums are exactly as loud as usual!
― nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)
They probably use it in Mission of Burma because someone's back there sampling the live sound and looping it, and they want to be able to isolate the instruments.
― Eppy, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)
I love it when church bands have a fucking 12 piece drumset w/lots of splash cymbals + the three panel plexiglass.
― Jordan, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)
xpost - no, they do it because of roger's tinnitus. and the sampling/looping takes place back at the soundboard.
― hstencil, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)
(nabisco otm)
― HI DERE, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum16/terribozzio.jpg
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)
(James Redd even more otm)
― HI DERE, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)
I just hope and pray that one day a drummer with a kit like that gets hit by lightning, and then some kind of Akira stuff happens where he actually morphs into the RoboTech-style MechaDrummer he was clearly dreaming of while setting up his 10th pedal.
― nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)
Bozzio to Dream Theater guy: "Fuck you, dink."
― marmotwolof, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/media/pics/celebs/MPBozzio97.jpg
― Jordan, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.united-mutations.com/b/moderndrummer198412.jpg
― Jordan, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.umop.com/photos/1999_bozzio.jpg
I mean, there comes this point where you're seated on your stool looking out on an array more complicated than any shuttle bay or Voltron command area, and what goes through your heart then? Is there any twinge of fear that you're now basically Louis XIV-level dependent on roadies?
― nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)
(The funny thing is I found that picture while I was looking for Terry Williams, who also has been known to play a kit like that)
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)
Bozzio Time Lapse Drum Setup
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)
I was going going to explain why I didn't think an Akira reference should be mixed with a Robotech reference, but that would be the nerdiest shit I ever posted on the internet. Then you throw Voltron in there and I give up.
― marmotwolof, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
Bozzio vs. Wackerman
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
I've been mostly playing brass band gigs, where I only play one drum, and on Saturday I was bitching about have to break down my four piece jazz kit. It's like getting drunk and moving.
I think being a Bozzio roadie would be the worst job in the music industry.
― Jordan, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
But if they just formed a tiny union, the guy would be screwed!
― nabisco, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)
These clips of Bozzio with bands are pretty hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1Kf-Xue-g
― Jordan, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)
Here is a whole thread on another board on this topic, full of photos http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29552
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)
I just wish I could find a youtube of the alleged Carter Beauford and Futureman duets.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 22:04 (eighteen years ago)
But back to the plexiglass.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)
(Although this interview has a funny bit about Weird Al's bass player auditioning for Bozzio's old band)
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 September 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)
This thread on another board has an interesting discussion of the original topic. Apparently the use of shields is really common (and advanced) in Vegas.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 00:52 (eighteen years ago)
Man, I've read lot of stories about the Black Page Zappa auditions. At least one of the guys that actually passed that thing admitted he sort of faked his way through it.
― marmotwolof, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)
sometime in my future i've gotta get around to doing that joke band where everyone but the drummer lurks stage rear with plexiglass backstops in front of them shielding them from "the action"
― del griffith, Saturday, 21 August 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)
was lookin for a fuckin damon che threa dand found this thread
here's a gif, i don't even know (???)
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/554/tumblrl73rzitrni1qajg12.gif
― del griffith, Saturday, 21 August 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)
Only reason Burma uses the screen is to shield guitarist. (who sets up to drummers right)Guitarist suffers from tinnitus. He uses no stage monitors and sets his amp at his side.Along with custom ear protection and the above measures guitarist is able continue playing live music at high volume. j
― janswers, Saturday, 21 August 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)
That's a good reason to use the screen. All other reasons to use the screen are not good. Unless of course, the drummer puts it up herself so she doesn't have to listen to the guitarists.
― JesseJane, Saturday, 21 August 2010 20:40 (fifteen years ago)
my kybad dsn't k, and dn't kn hy vn hav a scn
― PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 21 August 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)
― Hurting 2, Sunday, September 9, 2007 2:36 PM Bookmark
Haha I was about to OTM this post and then I saw it was me.
― Ground Zero Mostel (Hurting 2), Sunday, 22 August 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)
When we opened for The Fire Theft (aka Sunny Day Real Estate during the offer years), the drummer had the plexi-glass. What I found most interesting was that he was able to mic his entire kit with only two large overheads mics (and presumably a kick mic). So obviously that shield helped to control the sound. His kit sounded great, even if the songs were garbage.
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 22 August 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)