The Songs That Celebrate Themselves

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....where the act of writing the song is an integral part of the song.

Godfather of course = "Our Song" = if Elton was a sculptor but then again no, also introduces the idea of a songwriting mistake as a sympathetic force in the song.

Then Rod Stewart - "Keep forgetting that you were once mine / Wrote that lyric without even trying" - always puts a catch in my throat and a grin on my face, that line.

Al Green - he started to write a song about you, then decided to write a song about love.

and Spandau Ballet - listening to Marvin all night long, then he finds it hard to write the next line (should have got some sleep)

Any more? And any songs which present songwriting as a straightforward, not mistake-laden trial-and-error process?

Tom, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What do you think of this 'fourth wall' breaking in songwriting, too? I'm a sucker for it.

Tom, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ghostface killah on "bring da ruckus"

"not long is how long that this rhyme took me"

bc, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Every hip-hop battle track ever.

Jordan, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Im kind of thinking of songs where a described event in the songwriting process has a definite impact on the emotional tone of the song as a whole, which throws you out and makes you consider the act of songwriting - I know there must be hip-hop examples beyond the kind of battle rhyming arena, cause "look how good this rhyme is" isn't quite what I'm after, ill-chosen thread title notwithstanding

Tom, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Robbie Williams congratulating himself for coming up with a nice line to lead into the middle 8 in "Strong".

Ally, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Somewhat related: Writing Songs About Writing Songs. As stated there, John Wesley Harding breaks this fourth wall. It can be clever, but only if it's not done too much...then it just seems too self-conscious.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Do things like referencing your old songs count? Cos then Madonna is really tops on Deeper and Deeper.

Ally, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beautiful South's "song for whoever" - you made me so much money, i wrote this song for you...

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Who, "Gettin' in Tune"

I'm singing this note 'cause it fits in well
With the chords I'm playing
I can't pretend there's any meaning here
Or in the things I'm saying

Mark, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

James Taylor - Fire and Rain

Ron, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Neil Young breaches both the fourth wall and the myth of originality in Borrowed Tune (from Tonight's the Night): "I'm singin' this borrowed tune / I took from the Rolling Stones / Alone in this empty room / Too wasted to write my own."

I always go awww at Chris Knox's Not Given Lightly: "This is a love song to John & Licia's (sp?) mother. This isn't easy - I might not write another."

briania, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pulp - Something Changed

"I wrote this song two hours before we met" etc. I get the concept, but it doesn't seem to make any linear sense, it's kind of a circular logic thing, which I guess is what he was going for.

and my personal favorite: The Posies - Any Other Way

"I was crushed of course, but at least it's something I can write about"

also, once I saw some Robbie Williams concert on Mtv2 where he sings some semi-clever line and then adds an aside: "that's one of me better lyrics", which for some reason I just loved.

al, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just this morning I was listening to the Carla Bley Band's _I Hate To Sing_, her album of songs she wrote for the non-singer members of her band to sing. "Here's a very very simple melody/That Carla wrote especially for me./She said, 'Everyone according to their ability.'/And then she gave the simplest one to me..."

Douglas, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Happens in hip-hop quite often. Fellow rhymers giving each other props... The DOC w/ NWA "The Grand Finale" being just one of many many examples.

Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Denim - Brumburger (I think I'll stay on these chords a little while longer babe / I think I kinda like the way that they flow / I don't think I'll deviate much from the melody line / I think I kinda like the way that it goes.)

clotion, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This is the key change, this is the key change... it's a standard device to stop us sounding mundane...

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

from built to spill's "joyride" single:

"this part of the song is called the second verse
sounds just like the first but with different words
it only has three chords and they are A and E and D
they are A and E and D
then it goes to D minor, D, uh, A, E, D"

http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't know why I didn't think of this earlier -- Sparks have two great candidates...*dashes off to site for quick lyrical cut-and-paste*..."A Song That Sings Itself":

Hush now listen and you'll hear
Something bordering on weird
Can you hear

No exaggeration, no hallucination
I can hear it singing now

It's a song that sings itself
It's a song that sings itself
Twelve o'clock and all is well


And perhaps more appropriately, "The Number One Song in Heaven":

This is the number one song in heaven
Written, of course, by the mightiest hand
All of the angels are sheep in the fold of their master
They always follow the Master and his plan

This is the number one song in heaven
Why are you hearing it now, you ask
Maybe you're closer to here than you imagine
Maybe you're closer to here than you care to be

It's number one, all over heaven
It's number one, all over heaven
It's number one, all over heaven
The number one song all over heaven

If you should die before you wake
If you should die while crossing the street
The song that you'll hear, I guarantee

It's number one, all over heaven
It's number one, all over heaven
It's number one, all over heaven
The number one song all over heaven

The one that's the rage up here in the clouds
Loud as a crowd or soft as a doubt
Lyrically weak, but the music's the thing

Gabriel plays it,
God how he plays it
Gabriel plays it,
God how he plays it
Gabriel plays it,
God how he plays it
Gabriel plays it, let's hear him play it

The song filters down, down through the clouds
It reaches the earth and winds all around
And then it breaks up in millions of ways

It goes la, la, la......

In cars it becomes a hit
In your homes it becomes advertisements
And in the streets it becomes the children singing...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't have my copy around to get down the whole thing, but a song on The Mendoza Line's new Lost In Revelry pares a breakup down to "Now all you are is line in a song to me." It works especially well with them, since they're almost grossly confessional about kicking at that fourth wall, especially in their well-documented (and ruthlessly hyperliteral) love-hate relationships with each other.

Andy, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Doesn't Alice Cooper sing "we can't think of a word that rhymes" or something similar in "School's Out"?

Nate Patrin, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Only a Northern Song (one of the Georgiest of George songs)

Rufus King, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To Nate: he sure does.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

When Colin Newman says "Chooorus" all sarcastic-like in "Map Ref blah blah". I guess that's not exactly what you're talking about, though. But yeah, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing, too. Neat thread.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The theme song to "It's Garry Shandling's Show."

Would the "Always - no, sometimes..." part of "Strawberry Fields" count?

Simon, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Walt Whitman owns this category.

"Leaves of Grass my ass" </Homer>

bnw, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If nothing else this thread has induced *Ned* to quote huge chunks of lyrics! The Sparks song is exactly what I'm thinking of - the emotional impact of the song is completely dependent on the fact that it's about the song ("emotional impact" here = "the conceit that you only hear this song when death is approaching" heh). Whereas a lot of the examples here are more kind of hey-look-I'm-writing-a-song which I like a lot less.

A couple more examples - Billy Bragg's "A New England" - "I was 21 years when I wrote this song" - like Pulp sets up a circular logic, or rather in this case not quite, because the implication is of a different pre-song song that BB wrote before the situation described in the song kicked in. It's a great line because of that hint of what- might-have-been sadness and also because it captures how quickly things move when you're 21/22.

And Syd Barrett on "Jugband Blues" - "I wonder who could be singing this song".

Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clarke... another Wire example, on "Strange" on "Pink flag" a chorus of Colin Newmans chant 'refrain refrain' before the chorus kicks in again.

And Tom, the "I was 21 years..." line was stolen from a Paul Simon song ("Kathy's song", I believe) and I remember reading an interview with a young Bragg where he said he wrote to Paul Simon to ask if he could quote the line with permission, which was nice of him.

Rob M, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What is this thread about? No, what is it really about?

It's about me, isn't it? ISN'T IT? ISN'T IT???

Alexander Blair, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"This song was composed in the flowery west by a man you may never have seen. I will tell you his name but it is not in full. His initials are JRG." - "Willie Moore", as recorded by Burnett and Rutherford on Volume 1 of the Anthology of American Folk Music. First time I heard, I scared myself by thinking that JRG was Willie's love's killer.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul Simon also wrote 'Song for the Asking', which may or may not fit Tom's 'requirements'.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Earl Zinger "story of the heaviest bassline ever"?

nathalie, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Second verse, same as the first - Ramones

Dr. C, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

There is also "Internet curtains" by Denim which basically takes the piss out of itself immensely along the lines of "We've not been going very long / We've only got one good song / And this is it...", leading up to the part where the song becomes a hit because Chris Evans plays it. It would help if I could remember the words, I'm sure.

Rob M, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If nothing else this thread has induced *Ned* to quote huge chunks of lyrics!

A rare moment. Mark the date.

The Sparks song is exactly what I'm thinking of - the emotional impact of the song is completely dependent on the fact that it's about the song ("emotional impact" here = "the conceit that you only hear this song when death is approaching" heh).

That, but it also seems an interesting commentary on the nature of hitmaking and popularity -- spreading out so that even the 'kids' are singing it and all.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Better Denim example - "Summer Smash"

Tom, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the emotional impact of the song is completely dependent on the fact that it's about the song

To me the emotional impact of the song is all about Giorgio Moroder's berserk, kitchen-sink elecro-disco production.

Sean, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Like the line in the song itself says, "Lyrically weak, but the music's the thing" -- my motto!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"whenever i touch the mic / it's the rhyme"

ODB on his first album explaining that he doesn't actually write out lyrics beforehand at all

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

TAKE ME TO THE BRIDGE NOW!

That Pulp song does make sense to me. It's an expression of utter romanticism. It's a dream. It's like whispering 'I love you' into your pillow.

N., Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

21 seconds

Wyndham Earl, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't do the talk like the talk on the tv
and I can't do a love song like the way its meant to be


-from "Romeo and Juliet" by Dire Straits

o. nate, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I'm not a fan because I don't know the name of the song nor could I quote a significant passage of lyrics HOWEVER:

the song that the Mountain Goats end every one of their shows with possesses a narrative self-consciousness in the lyrics...

any Mountain Goats fans/members know what I'm talking about?

http://gygax.pitas.com, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ice-T, "Mind Over Matter," where he talks about the blue-lined looseleaf and the ink and everything.

M Matos, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That Beck song that has "That was cool drum break." in it.

Adam Ant's "Ant Music."

nickn, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Said Beck song samples the Frogs' "You Don't Have to Respect Me Just So Long As You Love Me," so it's actually a double reference, yay.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I write the songs that make the whole world sing.
I write the songs of love and special things.
I write the songs that make the young girls cry.
I write the songs, I write the songs.

The Manilow, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, I wrote that song, Manilow.

Bruce Johnston, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I can't see 'em coming out of my eyes, so I better make this song cry."

Tim, Wednesday, 24 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Bruce, you wrote that song about me didn't you? Why did you let Barry sing it?

Brian Wilson, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"disney girls" = most underrated beach boys song EVAH!

http://gygax.pitas.com, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Steely Dan - Deacon Blue. "I cried when I wrote this song, sue me if it goes too long."

nickn, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince "1999":

I was dreamin' when I wrote this
Forgive me if it goes astray
...

I was dreamin' when I wrote this
So sue me if I go 2 fast

Okay, maybe not too self-tooting, but look who we're quoting here...

Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 25 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 2 February 2009 03:30 (seventeen years ago)

But I have to keep my self respect, I'll never be a star
Since there's just two songs in me, and this is Number Three"

--They Might Be Giants, "Number Three"

Hideous Lump, Monday, 2 February 2009 04:13 (seventeen years ago)

"Why I Write Such Good Songs," by Kleenex Girl Wonder fits here.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 2 February 2009 04:17 (seventeen years ago)

Jim Croce: "I'll Have To Say I Love You In a Song".

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 13:51 (seventeen years ago)

Also, George Harrison:

This song has nothing tricky about it
This song ain't black or white and as far as I know
Don't infringe on anyone's copyright, so . . .

This song we'll let be
This song is in E
This song is for you and . . .

This tune has nothing Bright about it
This tune ain't bad or good and come ever what may
My expert tells me it's okay

As this song came to me
Quite unknowingly
This song could be you could be . . .

This riff ain't trying to win gold medals
This riff ain't hip or square
Well done or rare
May end up one more weight to bear

But this song could well be
A reason to see - that
Without you there's no point to . . . this song

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 13:53 (seventeen years ago)

And, yep, also "Only a Northern Song". Actually George Harrison is the king of the meta-lyric.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 13:53 (seventeen years ago)

And The Rutles:

Oh yes, of course I do..
(Ah ha, we thought as much)
Hang on... who are youse?

(We're the other members of the band)
And who invited you to sing along?
Go on, answer that!
(Well no one, we were only passing by)
Well kindly keep on going if you please
(But we're only trying to help you with your song)
But I don't want any help
(Oh yeah, what about the middle eight?)
Oh yeah!

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 13:54 (seventeen years ago)

And of course:

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 13:56 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm. That was supposed to be "Don't Download This Song" by Yankovic. It seems like the embedding script should be removed from ILM again.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 2 February 2009 14:00 (seventeen years ago)

This thread is reminding me quite how much I dislike These Words by Natasha Bedingfield.

Matt DC, Monday, 2 February 2009 14:03 (seventeen years ago)

I always rather liked the lyrics to Ani DiFranco's "This Bouquet", though I think it only tenuously satisfies the thread criteria:

Got a garden of songs
Where I grow all my thoughts
Wish I could harvest one or two
For some small talk
I'm always starving for words
Whenever you're around
Nothing on my tongue
So much in the ground
Nothing on my tongue
So much in the ground

Half the time I got my gaze
Trained on your motel door
Fourth door from the end
Rest of the time my gaze lays
Like a stain on the carpeted floor
If it weren't for my brain
I'd just go over and make friends
Too bad about my brain
Cuz I'd like to make friends.

See the little song bird
Unable to make a sound
You'd never know she follows
Her words from town to town
We both have gardens of songs
And maybe its okay
That I am speechless
Cuz I picked you this bouquet
Yup, sure am speechless
But I picked you this bouquet

Tim F, Monday, 2 February 2009 14:25 (seventeen years ago)

"How strange the change, form major to minor"

sonofstan, Monday, 2 February 2009 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

^^
'From"

sonofstan, Monday, 2 February 2009 16:51 (seventeen years ago)

Todd Rundgren - "Chain Letter"

This is the ending of my song
It has made me blind and deaf and weak but most of all
It shows you that I'm wrong
For you see it's really twice this long*
And if I should die tomorrow it will carry on

* line actually does occur at the song's midpoint

henry s, Monday, 2 February 2009 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

seven years pass...

Karen Mantler - 'My Solo' (file under 'songs that apologize for their own existence')

here is a song
that features me
on harmonica

if I had words
I would sing
not play a solo

all I can do
is try my best
hope I don't get lost

I find it hard
to improvise

[harmonica solo]

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Monday, 11 April 2016 00:20 (nine years ago)

well I wrote this song
with a vamp in the middle
and I knew when I wrote it
that I'd written it for the fiddle

-John Hartford

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Monday, 11 April 2016 00:22 (nine years ago)

Weird Al's "This Song Is Just Six Words Long" is the first one that comes to mind.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 11 April 2016 00:27 (nine years ago)

Can't believe nobody mentioned "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" with the spoken word part about it being the perfect country and western song.

Also "Our Song" by Taylor Swift, kinda. And Brad Paisley's "This Is Country Music" celebrates itself along with the genre.

Lotta country examples.

dc, Monday, 11 April 2016 00:41 (nine years ago)

Yes, "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" is a good one.

Yer Blois (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 April 2016 00:42 (nine years ago)

There is also "Internet curtains" by Denim which basically takes the piss out of itself immensely along the lines of "We've not been going very long / We've only got one good song / And this is it...", leading up to the part where the song becomes a hit because Chris Evans plays it. It would help if I could remember the words, I'm sure.
― Rob M, Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:00 AM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this track is pretty much a straight steal from 'Suffice To Say' by Yachts, which uses the same trick ("I never wrote a middle eight/so we'll just have to do without/but there's an instrumental break/right after this")

soref, Monday, 11 April 2016 01:24 (nine years ago)

(is there anyone who has done this as frequently as Denim/Go Kart Mozart era Lawrence btw?)

soref, Monday, 11 April 2016 01:26 (nine years ago)

quite a few Randy Newman songs "so I went to the park and took some paper along/and that's where I made this song", "she drives the kids to school/she does the laundry too/she wrote this song for me, listen!"

soref, Monday, 11 April 2016 01:31 (nine years ago)


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