Albums that would have been better had the following same-era tracks been added

Lots of Depeche Mode too. Particularly "Dangerous" on "Violator" and "Fools" on "Construction Time Again".

Few.

Few albums would be 'better' with added singles.

Especially thrown at the end of the normal Cd.

Added inbetween tracks aren't much better either.

Put them onto an extra CD, well... OK.

The only 'album to CD' that benefitted from the extra tracks on the same disc was the Who Sell-out, which managed to complete the 'concept' and keep the quality high. But they were not singles/bsides.

But what if those singles had never been "added" to; but had instead been part of the concurrent LP all along? What's objectionable about that?

I've never understood that whole UK mentality of keeping singles and albums separate.

(...oh, and: OTM re. The Who Sell Out, BTW)

But what if those singles had never been "added" to; but had instead been part of the concurrent LP all along? What's objectionable about that?

Like what?

I've never understood that whole UK mentality of keeping singles and albums separate.

Value For Money!

Bruce Springsteen, The River

That would be his best album if he had more of the songs from the Tracks box set like Loose Ends (how could you leave that off, Bruce?) and less of stuff like Crush On You and (ugh) Drive All Night.

"The River", though, is one of those intstances, like "White Album", where people agree that it would have benefited from having some tracks removed, but people cannot agree on which tracks.

Dylan's "Freewheelin'" would be even stronger as an 80-minute CD. There were piles of great songs left off, among them:
"Talking Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Talking John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"The Death of Emmett Till"
"Hero Blues"
"Kingsport Town"
"Mixed Up Confusion"
"Quit Your Lowdown Ways"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"

And I forgot one of the very best, "Let Me Die in My Footsteps."

Being forced to purchase your favourite band's new album AND their new single separately purchases rather than just buying the album with the single included - how is that value for money?

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Removing "Black Diamond" from Let It Be and replacing it with the Replacements' cover of "Temptation Eyes" from the same sessions.

The idea being that an LP with 40 minutes of new music on it is better than an LP with one single on it already, and three to come off it.

See, Buzzcocks had the right idea, One single off album, one not, and then onto the next album.

i can't believe the mopes at the record label left the horst wessel song off kula shaker's debut long-player.

american water + o self ignition

Being forced to purchase your favourite band's new album AND their new single separately purchases rather than just buying the album with the single included - how is that value for money?

Because you get extra tracks on the album

O, Mark beat me to it

I'd love for an expanded BLood on the Tracks that collects the different versions. I've heard at least three different versions of the quiet take of "Idiot Wind" and can only hope for more. It's amazing to me how he sings the lines differently each time, really changing the emphasis. Maybe I'm imagining certain things.

But Dylan, Springsteen and Neil Young just seem to botch many of their actual albums. There are always outtakes that make you wonder how they could let them sit there. Then again, it's what makes them seem even MORE epic, since all those excellent stray tracks make you hunt things down even more...

Nothing makes you seem like a complete obsessive than telling someone with a casual interest in something that the albums are OK, but you really need to hear ... for me, it was American Music Club. They have b-sides and alt takes and demos that put most of their albums to shame. Talk about a band who made questionable production decisions and track selecting choices...

Removing "Black Diamond" from Let It Be and replacing it with the Replacements' cover of "Temptation Eyes" from the same sessions.

i love that cover of "black diamond."

I'm looking forward to the Matador reissue of Pavement's Brighten The Corners for this same reason. Malkmus said somewhere that there's tons of material from those sessions, much of which is better than what made it onto the album.

Bruce Springsteen's "Born In The USA" would be able to add a lot of great stuff, first and foremost the gorgeous "Janey Don't Lose Heart", which is one of his best ever songs.

I'd say any Beck album, his b-sides are terrific.

And David Bowie Ziggy Stardust + "John, I'm only dancing" + "Velvet goldmine"

"John I'm Only Dancing" was added to the Rykodisc version though.

(and both were on the expanded edition released a couple years ago, I would suppose?)

Because you get extra tracks on the album

What extra tracks?! The single is not replacing anything; it's there in addition to the regular LP tracks. If the Buzzcocks had decided to include "Orgasm Addict" on their debut, does that mean they couldn't have done so without sacrificing "Fast Cars" or whatever? It's not like there's a strict 40-minute limit on a 12" piece of vinyl

idk, but to leave out velvet goldmine and then have a movie named after that song which got left out in its original release is just plain weird to me

I dunno it makes total sense in the context of the movie (secret histories, confusion inherent in pop mythology, etc.) Also Bowie refused to participate/cooperate with the film so naming it after a b-side of his that wasn't even on the soundtrack was kinda funny

The Who Sell Out is a probably the best example.

You might also add the expanded Kinks' albums Face To Face and Arthur (given that you wax either the stereo or mono versions on the latter) -- the bonus tracks on Muswell Hillbillies are pretty good, but their knee-jerk placement at tail end of the album makes the sequencing suffer.

Bowie should add Sweet Head to Ziggy as well as the aforementioned two.

i love that cover of "black diamond."

I love it too, but I still think it should've been the other way around.

It's not like there's a strict 40-minute limit on a 12" piece of vinyl

And certainly not on an 80 minute CD edition, which is what I was thinking of when I started this thread.

Fleetwood Mac's already-great Then Play On (from the Peter Green era) would be even brilliant-er w/the add of subsequent singles "The Green Manalishi" and "Man of the World"

Roxy Music's debut is better with Virginia Plain I think.

"See, Buzzcocks had the right idea, One single off album, one not, and then onto the next album."

I bet you still bought "I Don't Mind" / "Autonomy" as well as Another Music In A Different Kitchen; and "Ever Fallen In Love" / "Just Lust" as well as Love Bites; and "You Say You Don't Love Me" / "Raison D'Etre" as well as A Different Kind Of Tension 'though, didn't you Mark?

Go on, admit it!

I know I did.

Having extra tracks inserted in the middle of a familiar running order, in general: Dud (although maybe cf: something like Return Of The Giant Slits, I can see an argument for inserting a dub version after the original track rather than addining it on the end?)

As far as having extra tracks added on the end of a CD re-release 'though, I really can't see the problem: you can always press the "stop" button.

Having extra tracks added on to the end of a CD re-release >>>>>>>>>>>>> having loads of great B-sides unavailable on CD, or having to fork out again to aquire them by any alternative means.

Suede's Dog Man Star with "Come together"
Super Furry Animals' Radiator with "Ice Hockey Hair" and
ELastica with "All for Gloria"

"Their Satanic Majesties Request" should have included "We Love You" and "Dandelion".

It would then have clearly been the best Stones album ever.

Who's Next with other Lifehouse-era songs (Relay, Let's See Action, Join Together, Naked Eye, Water, I Don't Even Know Myself, Heaven and Hell) would be quite the double album. As a Who-obsessed teen, I made a cassette that interspersed those tracks into the sequencing.

It's always really annoyed me that Super Black Market dropped the "Bankrobber" single from Black Market Clash. Had they kept it, I think the expanded version would be my favorite Clash album.

I forgot a couple Beatles albums that should also be mentioned.

"Beatles For Sale" would obviously be better adding "I Feel Fine" (and also "She's a Woman" alghough that one is less essential), and "Rubber Soul" would have been even better with "Day Tripper" and "We Can Work It Out" added in the end.

Also, several Joy Division and New Order singles should have been added to the most recent CD releases of their albums.

The tracks that should have been added to "Sgt. Pepper" are already part of the "Magical Mystery Tour" album though, which collects every single track The Beatles put out on the 7" format in 1967.

amc's everclear should have included 'chanel no. 5'; likewise their san francisco should have had 'i just took my two sleeping pills' (it was on the vinyl only).

disagree about adding those singles to revolver, they don't fit sonically or tonewise to me, they're much harder and brasher than the album. the earlier albums, yeah, probably.

'tears roll down' should have been on 'seeds of love' (tears for fears).

Not quite exactly what Geir had in mind, but I've always thought that Strangeways Here We Come would have been much better-- perhaps even The Smiths best instead of their worst-- if a few bum tracks were switched out in favor of some contemporaneous singles and b-sides ("Sweet and Tender Hooligan," "Half A Person," etc.).

Also "Buck's Boogie" on Tyranny and Mutation by BOC

Not quite exactly what Geir had in mind, but I've always thought that Strangeways Here We Come would have been much better-- perhaps even The Smiths best instead of their worst-- if a few bum tracks were switched out in favor of some contemporaneous singles and b-sides ("Sweet and Tender Hooligan," "Half A Person," etc.).

Back then, I think the value for money argument was relevant, and that the tracks in question should rather be added to the album later on. (The Smiths albums have never been remastered, I think? About time that is being done rather than a zillion "Best Of" albums being released)

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The Temptations' PSYCHEDELIC SHACK was a good album as was, but "Ball Of Confusion" would have fit right in there. Instead, "Ball" wound up on GREATEST HITS II.

Who's Next with other Lifehouse-era songs (Relay, Let's See Action, Join Together, Naked Eye, Water, I Don't Even Know Myself, Heaven and Hell) would be quite the double album. As a Who-obsessed teen, I made a cassette that interspersed those tracks into the sequencing.

Actually, "Naked Eye," "Water," "I Don't Even Know Myself," and "Heaven and Hell" predated Who's Next/the Lifehouse project. All were played live in 1970. They were supposed to put out an EP with all of those songs (with "Now I'm A Farmer" and "Postcard" replacing "Heaven & Hell") in 1970, but obviously never released it at the time.

Who's Next definitely woulda benefited from the inclusion of "Pure & Easy" -- it's kind of amazing that something so stunning was deemed unnecessary.

I seem to remember an early punk thing about not including singles on the album, because it was RIPPING OFF THE KIDS. Which may have made some sort of sense at the time , but . .

What is definitely dud is albums reissued with a load of duff b-sides and 'rarities' tacked on at the end: "Oh shit, I have to get up and turn this off or the mood will be totally ruined by this bit of throwaway junk." There's a great early Walker Brothers comp which ends up with an a crap DJ using a comedy car horn effect to punctuate a spectacularly shallow interview. Cheers, I really needed that!

Fleetwood Mac's already-great Then Play On (from the Peter Green era) would be even brilliant-er w/the add of subsequent singles "The Green Manalishi" and "Man of the World"

Yeah, and they could also add "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight" so Jeremy Spencer can have a track on the album.

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You mean the recent re-releases of "Who's Next" has yet to include all of those tracks? In spite of all the additions of lots of extra tracks?

Suede's Dog Man Star with "Come together"

-- pft, Friday, 28 September 2007 11:13 (8 hours ago) Link

GREAT IDEA -- and for another Suede retool: Add "Living Dead" and "High Rising" from the Stay Together E.P. to their debut to give it the extra dimension it so needs.

U2's Joshua Tree has been independently reassembled to include singles and b-sides of the era to create the "intended" double-LP version of same. I must say that several those extraneous tracks nestle into the fold quite nicely. This is the alleged track listing:

SIDE A:
1. WHERE THE STREETS HAVE NO NAME, from JT album
2. SILVER AND GOLD, from Where The Streets Have No Name single
3. I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, from JT album
4. SPANISH EYES, from I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For
5. WITH OR WITHOUT YOU, from JT album
6. LUMINOUS TIMES (HOLD ON TO LOVE), With Or Without You single
7. WALK TO THE WATER, With Or Without You single
8. BULLET THE BLUE SKY, from JT album
9. RUNNING TO STAND STILL, from JT album

SIDE B:
1. RED HILL MINING TOWN, from JT album
2. IN GOD'S COUNTRY, from JT album
3. TRIP THROUGH YOUR WIRES, from JT album
4. THE SWEETEST THING, Where The Streets Have No Name single
5. ONE TREE HILL, from JT album
6. DEEP IN THE HEART, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking
7. EXIT, from JT album
8. RACE AGAINST TIME, Where The Streets Have No Name single
9. MOTHERS OF THE DISAPPEARED, from JT album.

What is definitely dud is albums reissued with a load of duff b-sides and 'rarities' tacked on at the end:

Why? If you don't want to hear them, just turn off and put on another CD instead. I do more often than not. But it's still nice to have those tracks added there, at a point where it doesn't spoil the float of the original album.

What I dislike is when those extra tracks are put in the middle of the album, like on several earlier version of XTC albums. On the recent remasters, the extra tracks are put in the end, which is a lot better IMO.

In the case of U2, it is almost strange that Universal hasn't done Deluxe editions of at least "The Joshua Tree" and "Achtung Baby" yet. They have now done to almost the entire catalogs of Bob Marley and The Who.

they should've named that movie "John I'm only dancing" then

You mean the recent re-releases of "Who's Next" has yet to include all of those tracks? In spite of all the additions of lots of extra tracks?

Nope. The 1995 reissue of Who's Next included "Too Much of Anything" and the Glyn Johns-produced version of "I Don't Even Know Myself" (as distinct from their 1970 self-produced version, and which was already released as the b-side to the "Won't Get Fooled Again" single), plus a couple of songs recorded at the aborted and unreleased NYC Kit Lambert-produced 1971 sessions. The 2003 Deluxe Edition subtracted the aforementioned two songs, and added more from the NYC sessions. The bonus disc was most of an April, 1971 show. No reissue of Who's Next has included the Johns-produced "Pure And Easy," nor any of the singles ("Join Together," "Relay," "Let's See Action") of Lifehouse leftovers.

Aside from the singles and "Too Much Of Anything," the other Lifehouse songs that could have been included were "Time Is Passing," "Put The Money Down," and "Mary" (although the tape of the latter supposedly turned to dust when they tried to remaster it; no safety copy has yet been located, so it's still unreleased).