The 25th P&J Albums Poll!

homework of course

Brighten The Corners, then and now, followed closely by Dig Me Out.

This is one of the great years for music. Lonesome Crowded West from Modest Mouse also came out in late 97.

It's between Perfect From Now On and Dig Me Out for me.

test.

I'm on the fence between Other Songs and Homework.

I'm going to be predictably old/boring and vote for Dylan's TOOM. S-K and Biggie will just have to fight it out for 2nd place, I guess. (Btw, I hated Brighten the Corners at first but eventually learned to love it. I know, how edgy of me--sometimes you just don't know what you'll end up liking.)

I'm voting for Fiona Apple because this list is boring.

A complete and total tie between Bjork, Daft Punk and Erykah Badu. Went with the first one because it's Bjork's best by a long shot, and I like Daft and Badu's follow-ups more.

How did the Chemical Brothers land outside the top 10?

Voted Dig Me Out. But my fave 1997 album isn't up there - Shania Twain: Come On Over.

Odd, I always thought Come On Over was a '98 release.

Come On Over would def have been in my top ten, but I didn't get a copy until years later.

Odd, I always thought Come On Over was a '98 release.

It was late 1997. It feels like 1998 because she kept breaking singles off of it throughout 1998 and into 1999.

L&GWAFIS

Perfect From Now On, though I love Sound Of Lies almost as much.

notorious b.i.g.

I loved We's As Is this year, anything Timbaland-related, Yo La Tengo, and Arto Lindsay's Mundo Civilizado and the remix of same (which I still don't own). Didn't get into Belle and Sebastian, Elliot Smith, the Bottle Rockets, or Roni Size until later. I remember loving R&B radio this year, but my first reaction to this list is still: Where the hell was I this year?

oh, right, this was the year when Xgau put that (certainly very nice) Arto album atop his list.

His top five – his most indietastic ever?

Arto Lindsay: Mundo Civilizado (Bar/None)
Sleater-Kinney: Dig Me Out (Kill Rock Stars)
Pavement: Brighten the Corners (Matador)
Yo La Tengo: I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One (Matador)
Township Jazz 'n' Jive (Music Club)

Missy.

Dig Me Out

honorable mentions: Missy, YLT, Ben Folds Five, Built To Spill

Wow, I'm kinda surprised by the Built To Spill, Ben Folds Five and Jayhawks love on here.

First place, easy: Prodigy.

Second place, easy: Daft Punk.

Also rans: Missy, Cornershop, Sleater Kinney.

Album some people might be surprised I used to think was pretty good: Primal Scream (though I'm pretty sure I got rid of it a long time ago.)

Band whose previous album I liked, and then they kept getting duller and duller: Supergrass,

Band I have never had any opinion about, since I don't think I've ever heard them, and I don't have the slightest idea of what they sound like, but now I'm wondering if I might like them: Geraldine Fibbers.

Also, stuff there is way too much in general of on that album list: Boring folk rock.

I only count two folk rock records on the list, Elliott Smith and Richard Buckner. And both are more folk than rock. Maybe Ron Sexsmith count; I've never heard him. But what else are you labeling as folk rock, xhuxk? (I'll deal with the boring part later if needs be.)

Oh, and Beth Orton, I guess (I bought that record at the time because of what I'd heard on Dig Your Own Hole, then sold it quickly).

Belle & Sebastian is definitely folk-rock. If You're Feeling Sinister is the folkiest of any album they ever cut. And while I disagree, both those YLT and Pavement albums could be interpreted as folk-rock albums masked by indie.

And the winner of this poll IS folk-rock.

This is the best all-around '90s P&J poll I've seen yet. I'm having a bitch of a time deciding between Radiohead, Belle & Sebastian, Yo La, Missy, and Stereolab. Aside from Radiohead, I would say the other four's best albums are all on this list, with Missy being the only possible exception. Back then, all the big beat/electronica would have dominated my list, although they all would have taken a back seat to Wu-Tang Forever and OK Computer.

Oh, and that Cornershop album sucked then and sucks now.

love that missy record but how can anyone say its better than biggie

xp:

Folk-rock, more or less (besides Elliot Smith/Buckner/Sexsmith) (and maybe those other ones):

Bob Dylan: Time Out of Mind (Columbia)
Steve Earle: El Corazon (Warner Bros.)
Whiskeytown: Strangers Almanac (Outpost)
Ben Folds Five: Whatever and Ever Amen (550 Music)
John Fogerty: Blue Moon Swamp (Warner Bros.)
The Jayhawks: Sound of Lies (American)

And maybe Belle and Sebastian, Ben Folds Five, Built To Spill, Patti Smith...

(Okay, some of those might be stretching the definition, I admit it. But they all feel like boring folk rock to me. Or at least they did last time I listened to them.)

Oops, I guess Ben Folds Five are the cusp of "more or less" and "maybe." Sorry about that redundancy...

And Built To Spill halfway held my attention live once, so maybe they're not as boring as I remember. (I had never much paid attention to them, and was thinking during the show "They sound like when Dinosaur Jr tries to sound like Neil Young and Crazy Horse," and then at the end of the set they encored with "Cortez the Killer," I think it was -- true story! And if Neil Young is not folk rock, then nobody is.)

But were the Geraldine Fibbers folk rock?? (I honestly have no idea.)

GREAT year. I went for Yo La Tengo but it could have been a dozen others.

Yeah xhuxk, that's a staple of the live show. And I missed all those other records, all definitely folk-rock. It'll come down to the wire who I vote for on this one.

Ben Folds Five = dad rock for Abercrombie-clad teenagers.

A.V. Club just did a thing recently saying what a great year this was, like, comparing it to summer of '67 in terms of what a broad spectrum of music and all the great shit that came out. Don't know if I agree 100%, but a fun read and a reasonable argument.

On your expansive understanding of folk rock, yes, the Geraldine Fibbers are folk rock. I don't know Butch, but I loved their first album, Lost Somewhere Between the Earth and My Home. If it were a genre, I'd say it belonged to the genre Neil Young. The first album was considered alt.country at the time, which is why I bought it, but it's not especially twangy. The lyrics are pretty artsy and druggy.

I guess that understanding of folk rock makes sense. On it, pretty much all rock is either hard rock or folk rock, depending on how much you can hear acoustic guitars.

That Jayhawks record is as much folk rock as Rumours, though, with Mac-like harmonies and a big production. It's miles away from their earlier, much more folk-rocksy material, and waaaay better for it.

You could conceivably categorize Rumours as folk-rock, but you would be wrong because it's much more varied. "Go Your Own Way" rocks too hard and "You Make Loving Fun" is way too funky. And "Gold Dust Woman" is way too sinister. The self-titled I would feel more comfortable categorizing as "folk-rock," and then you get to Tusk and all attempts at categorization are obliterated.

and I think by saying "twangy" you're inching towards "country-rock," which Fleetwood Mac is absolutely not and Jayhawks reasonably could be.

Listen to "Nothing Good" from that Ron Sexsmith record if you want an idea of what he's about.

But that's what I'm saying! Sound Of Lies is as much folk rock as Rumours; Rumours is hardly folk rock; therefore Sound Of Lies is hardly folk rock.

ok computer

actually...what a great year for music

We are essentially agreeing, I think, but I also understand what xhuxk is saying when he refers to this list as "a lot of boring folk-rock," even though about half of the folk-rock he seems to be referring to is far from boring.

actually, I take that back, a lot of it is REALLY boring, including yr. beloved Jayhawks. Buckner and B&S the only two exceptions of the albums that xhuxk mentioned. Dylan didn't bore me so much at the time, but the fact that I never put it on or turn it off after three songs helps it get a "boring" tag.

Earle, B&S, Orton, and (Patti) Smith are the only real folkies on the list.

Why not Elliott, Lord?

The Jayhawks are usually boring, but not on that record. That Buckner record is, on the other hand, a real snoozer, and a big reason why I lost interest in buying records classified as alt.country (leaving Texas helped too).

*er, I meant "Elliot."

Even the Lord makes mistakes.

fitting as it coincides with my junior/senior year of high school, this list has a lot of albums I really TRIED to like but eventually petered out on aside from a few tracks: Daft Punk, Radiohead, Cornershop (I really like the one before this now), Elliott Smith, Wu-Tang Clan, Belle & Sebastian, Stereolab, Whiskeytown, Blur, Primal Scream, Bjork. The songs I like on these albums I REALLY like, though.

Albums I succeeded at REALLY liking at the time but haven't aged well for me: Portishead and Pavement.

I never did hear the Prodigy album. I dunno how the Chemical Brothers album tracks would feel now, haven't heard it in years.

haha god is Pop really ten years old

Bono's abs remain timeless:

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That Chemical Brothers album is still pretty great, I think. Pop is a U2 record I never understood the appeal of...and I LOVE(D) Zooropa.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Some good 1997 albums (mostly from the first half of the alphebet, since those are the ones I've managed to catalog listwise so far) that aren't up there, in approximate but not exact order of preference:

Mindy McCready – If I Don’t Stay The Night (BNA)
Faithless – Reverence (Arista)
Tiamat – A Deeper Kind of Slumber (Century Media)
Michael Jackson – Blood On The Dancefloor: History In The Mix (Epic)
Timbaland And Magoo – Welcome to Our World (Blackground/Atlantic)
The Notwist – 12 (Zero Hour)
Everclear – So Much For The Afterglow (Capitol)
David Holmes – Let’s Get Killed (Go! Beat)
The Gathering – Nighttime Birds (Century Media)
The Brain Surgeons – Malpractice (Cellsum)
Junkie XL – Saturday Teenage Kick (Roadrunner)
(Various) – Dance Mission Vol. 15 (Intercord Holland)
Aqua – Aquarium (MCA)
Artificial Joy Club – Melt (Crunchy/Interscope)
Dropkick Murphys – Do Or Die (Hellcat)
Toby Keith – Dream Walkin’ (Mercury)
The Dandy Warhols – Come Down (Capitol/Tim Kerr)
Cobra Verde – Egomania (Love Songs) (Scat)
Night Ranger – Neverland (Legacy/Sony)
Mark Morrison – Return Of The Mack (Atlantic)
MC Solaar – Paradisiaque (Island)
Jimmy Ray – Jimmy Ray (Epic)
My Dying Bride – Like Gods Of The Sun (Mayhem/Fierce)
DJ Shadow – Preemptive Strike (Mo Wax/FFRR)
In Flames – Whoracle (Nuclear Blast)
Gina G – Fresh! (Warner Bros.)
A3 – Exile On Coldharbour Lane (Geffen/Elemental)
Fabienne Shine – No Mad Nomad (FB Music)
Dose One – Slow Death (The Permanent Cry) (Dose One)
Tim McGraw – Everywhere (Curb)
(Various) – Club NRG Volume 1 (Interhit)
Kim Richey – Bitter Sweet (Mercury)
The Elevator Drops – People Mover (Time Bomb Recordings)
Lila McCann – Lila (Asylum)
Days of the New – Days of the New (Outpost)

And some reissues, too:

(Various) – Selections From The Anthology Of American Folk Music (Smithsonian Folkways promo reissue)
Budgie – We Came, We Saw… (Pilot reissue)
Kiss – Greatest Kiss (Mercury reissue)
(Various) – Dancing At The Nick At NiteClub (Nick At Nite/550 reissue)
Black Oak Arkansas – Hot And Nasty And Other Hits (Flashback reissue)
Girlschool – King Biscuit Flower Hour Presents (King Biscuit Flower Hour reissue)
Fat Boys – The Best Of: All Meat No Filler (Rhino reissue)
(Various) – Eh, Paisano!: Italian-American Classics (Rhino reissue)
C-Bank – Greatest Hits (Next Plateau reissue)
Monks – Black Monk Time (Infinite Zero/American reissue)
Kelly Marie – Feels Like I’m In Love: The Best Of (Success/Elap reissue)
Midnight Oil – 20,000 Watt R.S.L. (Columbia reissue)
The Dead Milkmen – Death Rides A Pale Cow: The Ultimate Collection (Restless reissue)

Happy End of the World, my favorite album of all time, came out this year. From this list, I voted for Cornershop.

I voted Radiohead but BtS was really close.

Here's what I always like about reading your album dumps, xhukx, is that about half of them I see and go, "He's right! That's a great album! I thought no one else liked that but me!" and the other half, I think, "He's crazy! That's album's totally mediocre!"

Usually, I differ with you on things that I, at least in retrospect, remember as dull "genre" albums, like Dropkick Murphys.

And often, you set me back to thinking about that bugaboo of "dated," which I always wanna say but have to rely on shifting justifications for (this time, it's based on what my hypothetical naive listener would eschew in favor of something that's come out later that explores some of the same ideas better).

Color me a folkie, I voted for B&S.

Chuck, I don't think I'll ever understand what you hear in Faithless--they always sounded like watered-down trip-hop to me: club-ready Tricky minus the dread and paranoia.

Faithless have tons of dread and paranoia, trust me! (It's just not all handed to you on a silver platter.) And, to my ears, way better tunes and more stomachable voices than Tricky, too. (Somewhere around here I've got a 2000+ - word treatise I did on that album and Michael Jackson's comparably goth Blood on the Dancefloor I wrote for L.A. Weekly; if I ever find a way to put in on line, you'll be the first to know, Kevin. They did peak with their debut album, though, no question. The followup wasn't bad, though.)

Not sure what's generic about Dropkick Murphys, either -- They write good songs, and don't really sound like anybody else except maybe the very first (and maybe my favorite) Pogues album once in a while. (Okay, somettimes they sound like a typical oi! band, I guess. But I like typical oi! Generic isn't always bad if you like the genre.) The bagpipes hadn't really kicked in yet by the time Do Or Die came out, but it's still the album that made it clear to me they were onto something special.

hypothetical naive listener would eschew in favor of something that's come out later that explores some of the same ideas better

If you think of music in terms of "progress," I guess, which I don't, for the most part. Anyway, sure, even in those rare instances when a genre does improve as time goes on, later music can still help you put older music in context. I'm not saying everything I liked then holds up (believe me, I get rid of a ton of CDs every year), but I attribute that more to me having overrated records in the first place than to history making them a moot point in retrospect. (Sometimes subsquent listens make music better than you thought; sometimes they make it worse; sometimes you just don't have the energy to want to listen anymore. That latter happens a lot, actually.) But sometimes music "evolving" over time can maybe also help you view older stuff as a stepping stone, or whatever. I can't think of very many instances where it downright negates older stuff (assuming the older stuff was entertaining in the first place), though I guess it's not impossible. Either way, it's not that hard to listen to intersting songs without letting history get in the way, is it? The sounds on an album that came out in 1997 sound exactly the same now as then, believe it or not.

Also, I guess for me, lots of times sheer physical energy (Faithless always sounded to me like they had more of than Tricky, too -- And Dropkick Murphys have more than just about anybody on that P&J list) trumps supposed "innovation" (which I don't always buy, anyway. At the time, I really thought trip-hop was just a shitty Adrian Sherwood ripoff, in general. A silly kneejerk reaction, but there was also probably some truth in it. I probably did underrate at least some of that stuff, though.)

Also, re progess and evolution and getting "better": Some of the acts on my list -- The Gathering, Toby Keith, Tim McGraw, Days of the New, and yeah, Dropkick Murphys for instance -- did clearly release albums that I prefer later in their careers. But more of them -- Faithless, Notwist, Dandy Warhols, Mindy McCready, Everclear, Aqua, Junkie XL, A3, and believe it or not Timbaland and Magoo as far as I'm concerned -- never came close to matching these. (I actually think Notwist got less interesting when they dropped the metal from their sound, and Timbaland got less interesting when he dropped the idea of goofing around with Magoo about eating sardines and stuff. Both of those opinions probably make me alone in the world.) And of course, other artists up there like Night Ranger had been around for a while and were just doing their job well by releasing another good professional album, and still others -- Artifical Joy Club, Gina G, Lila McCann, Mark Morrison, Jimmy Ray, the Elevator Drops -- seemingly immediately fell off the face of the earth and I never heard another album by them (or if I did, I've forgotten). So lots of things can happen. But even the albums by bands who wound up improving later are still good albums, as far as I can tell.

The sounds on an album that came out in 1997 sound exactly the same now as then, believe it or not.

But maybe they don't.

Well, I guess your hearing can deteriorate over time. Or you can buy better stereo speakers. So maybe you're right...

Ha ha, Dropkick Murphys might even be my folk-rock album of the year, come to think of it. (They incorporated more folk later, but they do rewrite the Kingston Trio's "M.T.A." on this one. So that counts, right?)

And I guess what I'm saying about Faithless is that they're basically like Tricky with the spinach and liver taken out.

Mmmm...spinach...liver.

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Btw, I'm not Kevin.

Oh yeah, sorry!!! (For some reason you must have sounded like Kevin in that Faithless vs Tricky post, though.)

Somewhere around here I've got a 2000+ - word treatise I did on that album and Michael Jackson's comparably goth Blood on the Dancefloor I wrote for L.A. Weekly; if I ever find a way to put in on line, you'll be the first to know, Kevin.

I'm Kevin and I was just going to praise you for pumping Blood on the Dancefloor too! "Underrated" doesn't begin to cover it with that disc - an EP of the most celebrity-addled psychosis he ever pinned to aluminum (or whatever CDs are) coupled with several fantastic dance remixes. Every time I spun the Hani "club experience" of "Earth Song," someone would run up to the booth and ask what it was. And every time, embarrassment would follow shock for loving a Michael Jackson song.

I agree with you re: Timbaland but only re: his solo work.

I prefer Tricky to Faithless but yes, tons of gloom there. That was the closest I ever came to goth as a DJ for this one sadly good-looking butch guy who made too much of a big deal about his butchness and always wanted to hear something harder and/or goth to mark him as somehow more evolved than the queens who danced to Madonna and "It's Raining Men" (he even mentioned the fact that I once ran out on the floor to dance to this song as if he were indicting me which he was) but the very few times I spun something harder my entire floor cleared out like I bug bombed it with Raid so I never did it again save for Faithless and some remix on Nothing that I can't recall right now (something like 12 Rounds) and he was always pissy but I surmised he was always pretty pissy in life and yo besides there was a club in Milwaukee (of all places) devoted ENTIRELY to goth (although the DJ there would spin Dramarama and no one could tell the difference) it's just that it wasn't exclusively gay (or even really 1/16 gay) but come on dude you're in MILWAUKEE looking for a club that plays goth AND caters to butch (and non-leather!) gay men so either stay at home and listen to Nitzer Ebb there or move to Manhattan or Berlin or wherever. But anyway, yeah, thanx Faithless for injecting my floor with some goth/doom.

(This is one argument for why DJ booths should be very high up from the floor and inaccessible to dancers.)

I'm Kevin and I was just going to praise you for pumping Blood on the Dancefloor too!

Sounds like an AA meeting. Or an MJ one.

xp to xhuxk: haha--no problem (at least no slugs were abused). Hell, I might even get that first Faithless album--I think I kind of liked a video from that one once.

Monks – Black Monk Time (Infinite Zero/American reissue)

I find this dull after "Complication." BUT. I have a clip of The Monks playing on German TV (I think) and it made me think they invented Krautrock. And disco. And punk. And new wave. And some other things surely. Astonishing stuff! Why was this never pinned to aluminum?

Aqua – Aquarium (MCA)
Mark Morrison – Return Of The Mack (Atlantic)
Jimmy Ray – Jimmy Ray (Epic)
Gina G – Fresh! (Warner Bros.)

(Great) hits plus filler.

(Various) – Selections From The Anthology Of American Folk Music (Smithsonian Folkways promo reissue)

Too adorable.

I voted for Björk. I was crazy about her then. Now I'd rather listen to a lot of other things, but it still sounds not of this time/world. Not bad, only missing 15 of my top 25. Other favorites not listed:

2. Laika * Sounds of the Satellites
3. Walt Mink * Colossus
4. Arto Lindsay * Mundo Civilizado
7. Finley Quaye * Maverick A Strike
8. Amon Tobin * Bricolage
10. Los Fabulosos Cadillacs * Fabulosos Calavera
11. Richard Horowitz & Susan Deyhim * Majoun
13. Radio Tarifa * Rumba Argelina
14. Tortoise * Remixed
15. Squarepusher * Hard Normal Daddy
20. Labradford * Mi Media Naranja
22. Joseph Arthur * Big City Secrets
23. Jim O'Rourke * Bad Timing
24. Natacha Atlas * Halim
25. Cul De Sac & John Fahey * The Epiphany of Glenn Jones
26. Carlinhos Brown * Alfagamabetizado
27. Arto Lindsay * Hyper Civilizado
28. Robert Wyatt * Shleep

Hmm, that reminds me: wasn't there some kind of weird beef between Finley and Tricky back then? Something to do with the Quaye name, I think. (Although, come to think of it, it probably only made news in the UK music rags.)

Aqua – Aquarium (MCA)
Mark Morrison – Return Of The Mack (Atlantic)
Jimmy Ray – Jimmy Ray (Epic)
Gina G – Fresh! (Warner Bros.)

(Great) hits plus filler.

Yeah, but "filler" on albums with great (one-hit-wonder-style) hits is as often as not (and definitely in these four cases) underrated by definition. Aqua album, especially, is totally solid. (In fact, Frank Kogan, for one, picked a cut that wasn't "Barbie Girl" -- namely, "Lollipop (Candyman)" -- as one of his favorite singles of the decade. I wouldn't go quite that far myself, but I also wouldn't shrug it off as merely taking up CD space.)

(Various) – Selections From The Anthology Of American Folk Music (Smithsonian Folkways promo reissue)

Too adorable.

Yeah, one disc! I still have not ever seen a copy of the actual box set, but the promo sampler rules.

Dig Your Own Hole for me. Sounds equally wonderful on the dancefloor as through headphones. Also excellent to do housework to. And particularly useful as a background motivational soundtrack for demolishing an old broken bed, thoroughly reducing a worthless box-spring mattress to an even more useless pile of broken springs, rusty nails, rotting wood and soiled canvas. (A true story.)

Kevin, re: the Monks, skip to "O How to Do Now" like now.

Easiest poll so far: Dots and Loops.

And yet lots of other good stuff on here. Before the Stereolab came out in fall of '97, Brighten the Corners was my album of the year. I also really liked Yo La Tengo, Bjork, and Ben Folds Five, and I ended up enjoying Cornershop and Portishead around that time, too, even if I didn't own the albums.

I was a year late on Belle and Sebastian, two years late on Elliott Smith, and four years late on Radiohead. Six or seven years late on Daft Punk, but apart from a few tracks, it's never done much for me.

Missing: The Sea and Cake, The Fawn.

Ben Folds Five = dad rock for Abercrombie-clad teenagers.

One reason I didn't like that album as much as the one before is that "Brick" introduced the band to Abercrombie-clad teenagers. I was 18 and was protective of this quirky piano band, and I kept barking at people that "Brick" was, like, totally their worst song.

Mark Morrison – Return Of The Mack (Atlantic)

still fucken love it

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Err.. only one day to vote? I actually have no idea what I would have voted for. There are more albums I have than any past poll by a pretty wide margin, but none that I've ever felt the need to listen to on an all the time basis.

Pretty good year when the album that won the Yo La Tengo poll only gets one vote here.

somebody voted for Roni Size in 2007?

fitting as it coincides with my junior/senior year of high school, this list has a lot of albums I really TRIED to like but eventually petered out on aside from a few tracks: Daft Punk, Radiohead, Cornershop (I really like the one before this now), Elliott Smith, Wu-Tang Clan, Belle & Sebastian, Stereolab, Whiskeytown, Blur, Primal Scream, Bjork. The songs I like on these albums I REALLY like, though.

This is OTM, with (some) different specifics for me.

<i>somebody voted for Roni Size in 2007?</i>

Oh, yeah, that was me. Sorry. I was thinking I should've voted for Pavement instead, because I've never listened to the entire Roni Size straight through, plus if you try to listen to it in the car it's hard to hear, but everytime I listen to it under good audio conditions, I love it all. Whoever he got to drum on that thing is a monster!

Thanks to Kevin and xhuxk for what they said about MJ's Blood on the Dance Floor. I use this cd trading site lala.com and decided to put it on my list based on what you said here, and it was shipped to me right away---and as I listen I gotta admit this album is incredible! Like a sucker I skipped it at the time 'cos everyone said it was lousy, but I don't think they must have actually listened to it, because it kicks. I also finally bought Dangerous and it's also great, but Blood on the Dance Floor is crazy good. So thanks!

"Morphine" is some awesome crazy shit!

Yeah "Morphine" is incredible! The remixes at the end are fabulous too---the "Earth Song" remix Kevin talks about above is so great.

Any time, Euler. Also check out the underrated (or rather, barely rated) Invincible from 2001. Not as cracked as Blood on the Dance Floor. But unsettling if you cock your ear a certain way.

Adding to the "Morphine" cosignage.