Weezer - Pinkerton

First album - Last song is the best
Second album - First song is the best.

across the sea is fucking epic but the album is best listened to as a whole

it was between 4,5,7, and 8 for me.....i went scorcho

EL SCORCHO basically got me thru 8/9th grade

it's my favorite song to karaoke to period. and the whole getting through school thing

"El Scorcho" just over "Tired Of Sex" and "The Good Life"

that

The closeted friend (though I didn't know it at the time) for whom I bought this album as an xmas present in '98 would blast the only three songs of theirs I could stand, "Tired of Sex," "Why Bother" and "The Good Life," from his white Jeep Cherokee, which was the ideal setting. "The Good Life," cuz it was anything but.

i cant vote in either of these polls.

"El Scorcho" was the story of my life for a while, and gets my vote here. Only "Tired Of Sex" even gets any consideration otherwise, and barely any. I never understood the love for this album.

maybe "falling for you"

All good but Across The Sea is teh 80m8.

across the sea is the epic

probably 'falling for you'

"more like stinkerton"

The last verse of Falling For You might be the best thing Rivers ever did. But I think Across the Sea is stronger on the whole, so I voted for that.

The vocal phrasing and use of rhythm and dissonance is a lot more sophisticated on pink than on blue (FFY and ATS both being great examples). Almost everything on blue is very steady and straightahead. The only thing it has over pink is textural variety.

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I voted "Why Bother?" because that's always been my opinion of this album. The public was right at the time and it was justly ignored.

OH NO SHE'S A LESBIAN!

(Just barely over El Scorcho for me, though, yeah, this was the music that I played too much too young.)

ps— Weezer has a bigger influence than Nirvana, I think.

this was probably my favorite album growing up and still is now. might just be because i have so many memories with it. or maybe because it's just amazing. i don't know

This was a huge album for me in high school, even though I went to high school a few years after its heyday. I had gone about 2 years without listening to it until last spring, when I put it on for memory's sake. The album has held up very well, I think, and "Falling for You" is the song that sticks out to me the most. Almost every tune is excellent, and it was difficult to go against "Across the Sea," but FFY is just perfectly executed.

how many people bought it WHEN IT CAME OUT? I did, though it wasn't till a few years later that I went OMG about it. The headline of my 7 out of 10 review for the teen page of the local paper was "Weezer's new album is dirty but it works," which pissed me off at the time cuz it made it sound like the songs were curse-heavy rather than kinda coarse production-wise. I still just have this promo copy sans artwork that I got from a store in State College back in 96, the same white-with-blue-font DGC promo artwork that was on the copy of A Thousand Leaves that I got.

i did. me and all my stoner friends recognized the awesome metal power of the weez and we were all into it when it came out despite our long hair and megadeth shirts. oh guess what.. none of us started emo bands. its just fucking good rock. what it inspired couldn't mean shit to me.

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i dont mind those albums, but i kind of wish they re-formed under a different name so that weezer could have been a band that quit ater two perfect albums.

good job.

"el scorcho".

how many people bought it WHEN IT CAME OUT? I did, though it wasn't till a few years later that I went OMG about it.

Basically my experience too, though by accident. Christmas of 1996, I asked for the Blue Album and got Pinkerton, their new album, instead. Was severly disappointed by it (and probably gave my parents some undeserved grief about the mix-up too heh). All the dissonance put me off. It was only around 2001 that I realized how damn good the songs were.

I got it the day it came out (along with Archers of Loaf's "All the Nation's Airports", ahhh freshman year of college), and was baffled by its lack of success.

"Falling for You" = the odd second-string album track / "deep cut" that digs more deeply and more weirdly into the core of the album more than any of the songs you remember first = my vote, though I do also have a queasy fondness for the bit where he's going down on the envelope

i got this album when i was pretty young. 10 yrs old. i got it the first week it was out because i really liked the blue album. looking back i can't believe that i did buy it and i can't believe how much of an influence and how important the album became for me and i basically just bought it on a whim when i was too young to listen to critics or anything like that.

same thing happend to me also with odelay.

Ha: a Weezer-loving friend of mine rushed out for this release during our second year of college, and there was a certain awesomeness in sitting down and listening to a record about ... Rivers's first year of college. I think I've already gone on about this on some other thread, though.

You could almost establish a timeline / canon of records for the various teenage years of dorky boys -- from Violent Femmes to Milo Goes to College to Pinkerton ...

my brother bought it went it came out. I was all lol u like Weezer. which is still how I feel reading this thread.

this:

ps— Weezer has a bigger influence than Nirvana, I think.

-- I eat cannibals, Tuesday, October 2, 2007 2:43 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

makes me really want to repost this from Weezer -- Classic or Dud? :

Weird to me is how they went from being just another jokey-alt band to suddenly being a revered and 'influential' group with 'Pinkerton' hailed as an antecedent to Emo...(most of my research is just mostly general conversation with kids in bands, but still...) I nearly fell over when I saw a bio on the group: River's Edge: The Weezer Story (I couldn't make this shit up.) I opened to the intro just to see what the fuck and sure enough the author is unhinged. He recounts how he discovers the group by getting a free cassette and listening to it in his car on the ride home and how he's completely blown away because here was a band who were combining the aggression of punk with the pleasing harmonies and hooks of pop -- and this had never been done before!

Like the Ramones never happened. Never mind the other three hundred bands we could list. If I ever end up in jail I might read this book.

-- smurfherder, Monday, October 1, 2007 5:51 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

"Butterfly" is the worst song in history and also the only song my last high-school gf knew how to play on guitar.

not to be a hater, but I couldn't choose between the remaining songs because I can barely tell them apart. "Good Life" sounds like "Tired of Sex" sounds like "Getchoo" - how can you choose one over the others?

no, please, be a hater.

"and this had never been done before!" - being facetious, right?

"all the songs sound the same"? plz. some lazy ass hating going on here.

but they do! The speed, rhythm, guitar sound, drum sound, vocals are exactly the same on every song!

Which doesn't make it bad, per se, but I don't know how you can like one more than the others? Better lyrics?

yeah its a bit monochromatic (like the ramones, lol), but i think you are exagerating.

they make the Ramones look like an experimental free-jazz ensemble.

is Weezer a straight thing? I don't get a lot of their stuff.

something appealingly cringe-inducing and shoddy about the album for me

I actually did think a few songs were samey when I got the album, part of what I didn't like about it. "Across the Sea", "The Good Life", and "Pink Triangle" are all in the same key, similar tempos, similar guitar sounds. Dunno though - over time, they sound like distinct songs to me.

my brother bought it went it came out. I was all lol u like Weezer. which is still how I feel reading this thread.

were you a posies fan then, too?

i voted for "Why Bother?" because, hey, why bother with Pinkerton? this band seriously blows

all the songs on the blue album are in major keys and all the songs on pinkerton are in minor keys. every album has followed the same pattern since. duh.

my brother bought it went it came out. I was all lol u like Weezer. which is still how I feel reading this thread.

were you a posies fan then, too?

-- da croupier, Tuesday, October 2, 2007 7:30 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

The fact that I'm an apologist for a lot of other 90's power pop/hooky alt-rock actually emboldens my hatred for Weezer; I like that kind of thing fine, I just think they're not very good at it. Whether that's rational or not, I dunno.

"the good life" is pretty undeniable!

i don't care about weezer one way or another. their fame and "influence" aren't too hard to understand, tho

Yeah "The Good Life" is kind of a jam.

i bought this album when it came out and loved it. i remember talking to this neighbor kid and him complaining about the 'adult themes' and wishing that it sounded more like the wholesome fun of the blue album. general vibe and mood of this album (lyrical themes, mostly) sorta reminds me of 'pet sounds'. nerdy/pathetic wishful thinking about girls and wanting to be cool. and the whole time i'm thinking 'so not gonna happen'. then the guitar solos come in and it's more like 'maybe gonna happen'

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fucks with all the hate.

thats the thing about ILM. its great to talk about music and all but it hurts to read people shit on albums and bands that you love

i actually liked the blue album better than this for a long long time. now its not even close, this one is so far superior that its not even funny. not that i listen to it much, almost never, really. but the wife is a huge fan, so i get to hear them from time to time.

hey gman, grow a pair.

i voted for "across the sea" btw.

lol

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10. "Butterfly" – 2:53 0

Well done, ILM

no votes for 'no other one'

damn...thats a good jam too

There's some serious ass bullshit hating going on in this thread. Dumb people are dumb.

Pinkerton's great, I think my favorite is still "Tired of Having Sex". El Scorcho was a lackluster single. But ultimately not many songs I can fault, and Butterfly is not the worst song ever written. it's even...good.

Pulled this out after a long period of not hearing it - great record, though I'd shuffle the sequence around a bit. And it couldn't have hurt to have a couple of the better b-sides on there.

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This poll is idiotically wrong

OMG "Tragic Girl". This so should have been on the original album instead of "Butterfly". Fucking fantastic Weezer 1.0 tune.

"Getting Up And Leaving" has been on-and-off stuck in my head for almost 2 weeks.

Also "Tragic Girl" suspiciously sounds like 2.0 to my ears...

Also "Weezer's rhythm section rarely gets much credit, but Matt Sharp and Pat Wilson maintain a savage low-end they'd never repeat-- the coda of "Tired of Sex" embodies overwhelming and impotent frustration, while the chorus of "Getchoo" isn't a hook, it's a fist repeatedly hitting a wall."

This is what's missing from new weezer.

Well i think so anyway..

pinkerton

My biggest beef with Pitchfork's review is it never mentions how "Falling For You" is one of the greatest things ever.

Also "Tragic Girl" suspiciously sounds like 2.0 to my ears...

I'm really curious as to what makes you say that, because, to my ears, this falls really in line with the lyrical and sonic palette of Pinkerton.

i'm very fond of this album because i did fall in love with a girl who is gay and also way across the sea.

"getchoo" is clearly the best thing on here. one vote? i mean, seriously.

it's like "say it ain't so" with balls.

The scream into the second chorus of "El Scorcho" is so great.

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I'm imagining the two "suites" on "Alone 3" are going to sound like the Pinkerton version of Abbey Road Side 2.. I really need to stop getting my expectations so high for Weezer-related comps like this since I know I'm just setting myself up for a letdown.

Also kinda interesting the original lyrics of "Susanne" were "even Kurt Cobain and Axl Rose.."

"I could never touch you
I think it would be wrong"

This is the written lyric everywhere, but it still sounds like Cuomo sings "I think it wouldn't be wrong" to my ears.

Classic rekkid though, undisputed.